"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

It's not about left vs right, democrat vs republican, and it never was.

This is the time to begin worrying about the future, about REAL freedom, freedom of thought, expression and decision. What is most troublesome is the complete and utter disconnect between what the government tells us and what is actually happening. Their rhetoric is all about freedom, liberation, salvation, but they don't give a fuck about that, they care about the big dollar.

Remember how everyone was complaining about rising gas prices? We all assumed it was because of the war and what not. Well, this week Imperial Oil released their financial statements, and reported RECORD PROFITS! There's your liberation, my good Americans.

yeah, it's not so much about the dollar as it about control and power. these people print the worthless money they buy up the planet with. controlling the oil isn't about letting more of it get to us so we get less prices, it's about controlling it and then jacking up the prices.

i was watching some of the inauguration and when bush came out, there was this weird orweillian voice on a loudspeaker saying shit like "wave to your leader, he loves america. cheer for him and show him that you love america too..."

it was really fucking creepy.

aldoux huxley's, author of brave new world, brother was the first head of unesco. he gave speeches before his death of laboratories with people hooked up with wires to computers and a lot of other weird stuff. you can hear the speech, it's online. it gets very strange.

[QUOTE=pisshead]many a time we've 'argued' on the other politics board here. it mainly consists of him saying no one can know anything for sure, i'm wrong, everything i say is bullshit, blah blah blah...history doesn't even matter, even when it's repeating to a T, yadda yadda yadda...no facts or information. he has no discernment and doesn't know how to "read" news, even mainstream, which doesn't lie all the time, they spin.QUOTE]

And many a time I showed you for the lier you are. I have also given you the evidence you asked for. All you ever do is ignore it, or act as if it is dissinformation or some such thing. If AJ didn't plant the thoughts in your head, you wouldn't have them. Your the most brainwashed person I havet meet yet PH. Step back and look at what it is your doing. You might see that your being led around on a leash if ya actualy open your eyes to try and see.

Toker

ahhh, the old alex jones created all of this...it's getting old. and you know it's not true. i'm looking at about a hundred books on my mantle, 1 of them is written by alex jones. most of them were written before he was born.

but you might think about calling his show. if he's truly the fraud you think he is, give him a call, discuss something, prove his listeners that he's all wrong...how about 911? i'll be listening. think about it, you could change so much. millions of people listen to the show...think of all the good your non-propaganda information could provide...

i didn't even bring him up. you're the one who always brings him up. unless you're trying to say that alex jones created the library of congress and the congressional record and the cfr rag foreign affairs and executive orders and upi and reuters and the ap...and hundreds of papers around the country and world??

he's created a parallel internet where he wrote everything so he could make it all up and then sell stuff? is that it?

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your a ignorant selfish ass
you wouldnt support anything that may risk your precious lil ass

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I support what I believe in. I dont believe in war. Its that simple. I 'support' the use and legalisation of Cannabis, and its got me put in jail. Just because I dont like war, doesnt mean I dont support anything. You just want everybody to be blood-thirsty and war-loving like yourself. Sorry mate, no can do.

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you wouldnt be able to say a dam thing about a dam thing if not for those that serve the nation

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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Thats complete bullshit. In fact, I think the correct term would be 'brainwashed bullshit'

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you want iraq better
get your ass over there and fix it

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I didnt say I want Iraq better. I only said that American troops are just as bad as anybody else who takes a human life for a 'cause'. Human life is human life.. Killing somebody is killing somebody. It shouldnt be done, for any reason. You know the German people thought they were doing the 'right' thing when they supported the genecide of all Jewish people? They would have said exactly what youre saying if I had said the same thing to them. Wake up and smell the bullshit, or are you too ignorant to see it? And would you even admit it if you did?

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oh thats right you probly go to college on some grant money
or gotta go ask mommy if its ok,

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Fuck you. I work and pay taxes like everybody else. You know why im working? Im saving to go to college in September so I dont have to get a grant or borrow money. Anyway, I dont have to explain my situation to you.

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nobody celebrates no people getting blew up with no beer and gun shooting in the air, thats racist shit agianst southerners but i guess since you dont say nigger and spik and camel jockey its cool

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Racist? Thats not the first time youve unjustly called me racist. Maybe I was stereotyping, but i'm definately not racist. And trust me, i'm sure there are a ton of people that celebrate Iraqis or Americans being killed. There are some sick people in the world. But I guess, when you celebrate your troops victory, youre celebrating the death of other people. So why are you any different?

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well its not ,your the fucking reason this nation can be so bad people like you who expect others to die for your rights to be a big mouth

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Sorry, bud. I live in a different country. And I dont expect anybody to die for anybody. I dont want anybody to die for anybody (can you say the same? I doubt it) but theres not much I can do to stop the government from sending people to their deaths.

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yehaaw suck a turd ya punk
ya pissing me the fuck off

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Good. Maybe if enough people piss you off for the same reason, you might actually stop and THINK about something for a change.

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sissy ass wouldnt fight for anything
you would let ya grany get raped and say oh,,,,,its ok granny he didnt mean it he just sick and well we gotta except it

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Who the fuck are you to say that kind of shit to anybody? You fucking prick.

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

grow a set of balls when you ever get a soul

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I have balls, and I dont believe in souls. So what exactly the fuck are you talking about

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Originally Posted by NowhereMan

you pompus ass ,your so much better than me and anyone here
used to think you was just dum ass kid
now i can see your a racist towards all americans especially non city dwellers

fuk it tellin ya this is a wiaste

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Again, im not racist. And yes, this is a waste.

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Need I remind you of what started this thread? You guys attacked Torog because he thinks different then you do. Nice try at turning it around, but I ain't buying it.

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Dude, LT, this is futile. My first post in this thread was "LT, why are you sticking up for Torog's blatant racism/prejudism/whatever-the-fuck-you-wanna-call-it?".

I wasnt attacking Torog, I was merely shocked at what he said. Torogs cool, and so are you (from what I can tell). Im not attacking anybody, except maybe Nowhereman, but thats a different story. Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements. :)

"Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements."

I agree! You will get no arguement from me on that one. Wait, does that mean we won't learn anything from this? No really though, you won't learn much from agreement. Now a good heated arguement, that is another story. That is as long as it isn't just an insult fest. I find a lot of the time people don't realize that they are doing the same things they claim to be against when trying to win an arguement. They tend to say and do things just to try and win, the truth be damned. Who really cares if you win or not anyway? The main thing should be finding the truth about the issue at hand. If people distort that issue and it's facts to promote an idear, and exagerate everything about it out of proportion, then what good has come of it? If attacking that which is different, while claiming not to like people being attacked for thinking different happens, then what does that make the attacker? Sometimes, even though it is hard to do, you have to let go and look at things from a differnet view no matter where your standing on the political field. Left, right or in the middle, if your only looking at one side, that is all you will see. Same is true for most all issues.

Toker

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"Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements."

I agree! You will get no arguement from me on that one. Wait, does that mean we won't learn anything from this? No really though, you won't learn much from agreement. Now a good heated arguement, that is another story. That is as long as it isn't just an insult fest. I find a lot of the time people don't realize that they are doing the same things they claim to be against when trying to win an arguement. They tend to say and do things just to try and win, the truth be damned. Who really cares if you win or not anyway? The main thing should be finding the truth about the issue at hand. If people distort that issue and it's facts to promote an idear, and exagerate everything about it out of proportion, then what good has come of it? If attacking that which is different, while claiming not to like people being attacked for thinking different happens, then what does that make the attacker? Sometimes, even though it is hard to do, you have to let go and look at things from a differnet view no matter where your standing on the political field. Left, right or in the middle, if your only looking at one side, that is all you will see. Same is true for most all issues.

Toker

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Do as I preach, not as I do........

Awwww, you poor thing, reduced to mindless chatter. It must be a drag for you to feel your arguement is so bad that you feel the need to run off with your tail between your legs. I see your still barking as you run though. Maybe this time you will finally do what you have been promising to do. Or maybe you can stick around and try some more one liners to boost your ego with.

Toker

"The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't."(Russell Beland, Springfield)

Thats my favourite one-liner.

Forgive me, for I am stoned.

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That may well be-however,at least I know who the enemies of Freedom and civilization are..and right now-that's Islam and muslims.

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Ha-fucking-hahahahahahahahahaha

I know who the REAL enemy of freedom is. General Torog, leader of Troop Prejudice.

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Awwww, you poor thing, reduced to mindless chatter. It must be a drag for you to feel your arguement is so bad that you feel the need to run off with your tail between your legs. I see your still barking as you run though. Maybe this time you will finally do what you have been promising to do. Or maybe you can stick around and try some more one liners to boost your ego with.

Toker

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some people are to ignorant to argue with, they refuse to even consider they are wrong and your one of those sorry people my friend.

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some people are to ignorant to argue with, they refuse to even consider they are wrong and your one of those sorry people my friend.

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Howdy juggalo420,

An example of ignorance is this:" some people are to(too) ignorant",an example of stupidity is you-chugging dxm like soda-pop..that's sheer stupidity..in my opinion.

An example of contradiction-is you calling LT your friend..friends don't call friends 'sorry people'..don't ya think ?

Until you've reached LT's age and life experience-it is you-that is ignorant and not really worth argueing with..not that being ignorant,is a bad thing,because ignorance can be solved through education and experience..there' still hope for ya !

Have a good one...Torog :D

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some people are to ignorant to argue with, they refuse to even consider they are wrong and your one of those sorry people my friend.

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You know, you may be right! Then again, you may be wrong!

Toker

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You know, you may be right! Then again, you may be wrong!

Toker

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Doesn't all that sitting on the fence give you splinters in the arse??

The ignorance that promotes the idea that all Muslims are "evil" is so stupid it is right up there with the idea that the moon is made of cheese , what friggin century are you guys living in??

Extremists exist in all groups and they are all as mad as each other.

You don't support getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Why the fuck not? He's a fucking murder, he killed his own son. Someone had to put and end to that ass-hole at least George Bush was not afraid to do something about it. Wether you wan't to believe it or not there are people who dedicate their lives to the destruction of the United States. They should give those Terrorist prisoners Burgmansia to get them to talk the tropane alkaloids have been said to induce a trance-like state in which the user is open to suggestion. Misha has been repoted to have been used in some incidences inSouth America by theives to rob tourists in which their victims have been slipped the scopolamine and they will actuall help the person commit the crime against themselves with no memory of the incident afterward.

"Some Brugmansia species are used in black magic."

"It is interesting to underline that in the European Middle Ages, the witches used Solance species, rubbing these plants on their broomsticks before climbing upon them."

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Until you've reached LT's age and life experience-it is you-that is ignorant and not really worth argueing with

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now that is ignorant! Ignorance isnt like acne, you dont grow out of it once you stop being a teenager. You, Torog, are certainly one of the most prejudice and ignorant people i've seen.

You know suicide Bombings are hip thing in Arabia nowadays, especially for the girls now too.

They'er like those goddamn Japs, the kamakazi. Banzi!!!!!!!!!!

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Doesn't all that sitting on the fence give you splinters in the arse??

The ignorance that promotes the idea that all Muslims are "evil" is so stupid it is right up there with the idea that the moon is made of cheese , what friggin century are you guys living in??

Extremists exist in all groups and they are all as mad as each other.

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Who is it exactly that said all muslims are evil, and who is it exactly that you think is sitting on a fence? I never once wrote the word evil. I have said violence quite a bit though. If your going to join in, you should at least try to understand what is being talked about before you spout off.

Toker

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Who is it exactly that said all muslims are evil, and who is it exactly that you think is sitting on a fence? I never once wrote the word evil. I have said violence quite a bit though. If your going to join in, you should at least try to understand what is being talked about before you spout off.

Toker

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If the cap fits wear it!
The sitting on the fence remark was directed at you because of the could be this could be the other comment.Having every opinion and no self opinion.
Most of Torogs posts are about the "evil" muslims , I'm almost convinced he's a fabrication comprised of all the Good Ole USA backwood stereotypes . LMAO.
You should at least realize not everything is directed at you.

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If the cap fits wear it!
The sitting on the fence remark was directed at you because of the could be this could be the other comment.Having every opinion and no self opinion.
Most of Torogs posts are about the "evil" muslims , I'm almost convinced he's a fabrication comprised of all the Good Ole USA backwood stereotypes . LMAO.
You should at least realize not everything is directed at you.

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When you quote me, then reply to that, yes, I do think your talking to me. I also realize that it was directed at me, you just couldn't find any other way out when I called you on it but to blaim Torog. One lie to cover another.

As for the fence sitting, whatever! If you wish to think that, go ahead. I guess it makes me less human or something if it was actualy true. Of course sarcasim may have been at work, and your whole bitching at me about it thing may be due to your inability to comprehend what you read.

Toker

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When you quote me, then reply to that, yes, I do think your talking to me. I also realize that it was directed at me, you just couldn't find any other way out when I called you on it but to blaim Torog. One lie to cover another.

As for the fence sitting, whatever! If you wish to think that, go ahead. I guess it makes me less human or something if it was actualy true. Of course sarcasim may have been at work, and your whole bitching at me about it thing may be due to your inability to comprehend what you read.

Toker

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Howdy and good mornin,LT-

I want to clarify,that I don't believe that I said that all muslims are evil,maybe something along the lines of a troubling percentage,are dong evil acts-but not all muslims..at least,not yet.

Who was it who said that they think that I'm a fabrication of USA backwoods types ? LMAO...that's a good one..I assure who ever wrote that about me-has no clue..I am who I am-a long-haired country folk,not some pretender or wannabe..I'm genuine because honesty is my policy..and puttin on airs..is for liberals and snobs,city-slickers and limp-wristed men.

LT, I surely do thank ya,for that wonderful treasure.. :D , I think that I'm just about ready to go into chat and wake and bake..and boy-howdy-it's going to be fun !!

Have a good one...Torog :D

I gotta go to the flea this morning. I'm outa here in just a few minutes. I am waked, and done got baked. Off to work I go.

Toker

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Howdy and good mornin,LT-

I want to clarify,that I don't believe that I said that all muslims are evil,maybe something along the lines of a troubling percentage,are dong evil acts-but not all muslims..at least,not yet.

Who was it who said that they think that I'm a fabrication of USA backwoods types ? LMAO...that's a good one..I assure who ever wrote that about me-has no clue..I am who I am-a long-haired country folk,not some pretender or wannabe..I'm genuine because honesty is my policy..and puttin on airs..is for liberals and snobs,city-slickers and limp-wristed men.

LT, I surely do thank ya,for that wonderful treasure.. :D , I think that I'm just about ready to go into chat and wake and bake..and boy-howdy-it's going to be fun !!

Have a good one...Torog :D

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no no no torog, you're wrong. it's the jews. they're the scourge of society and must be dealt with. all the jews are bad, very bad. evil jews. hate them, hate the jews. they're bad. hate them, hate them, bomb them while liberating them and then proclaim how evil they are while you hate them.

what do you think about the new freedom initiative and the model state emergency health powers act torog? congress is passing unconstitutional tyrannical and dictatorial bills, do you read those? does it matter to you that your country is turning into iraq while claiming to want to liberate the whole world? where in the constitution does it give us that authority?

what about the FTAA and the wide open borders and our ever eroding sovereignty...does cameras everywhere, being taxed to drive and national id cards and lrad sound weapons and military on the streets sound like freedom?or are you too focused on perpetual wars for liberation?

what about UNESCO? clinton didn't dare sign us back on, because of people like you, and now bush has done it, and you're asleep? this is how the left/right paradigm works. why do you not care about this?

i know, being pro 2nd amendment, wanting to protect the wide open border (while being told the terrorists hate us and want to attack us), anti-forced drugging of kids in school, being against forced roundups and vaccination....that makes me a liberal right? bush is a 'liberal'...he's only expanded every police state measure clinton started...

freedom starts at home. there is no left or right.

google "p2og"

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When you quote me, then reply to that, yes, I do think your talking to me. I also realize that it was directed at me, you just couldn't find any other way out when I called you on it but to blaim Torog. One lie to cover another.

As for the fence sitting, whatever! If you wish to think that, go ahead. I guess it makes me less human or something if it was actualy true. Of course sarcasim may have been at work, and your whole bitching at me about it thing may be due to your inability to comprehend what you read.

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Are you blind??
Called me out on what ?? The belief that you will have an opinion as long as it isn't your own? Get used to the fact that it is impossible to keep everyone happy all of the time.
Why would I want you to be less human when I already dislike a lot of humans , human or martian doesn't mean a thing.
My ability to discern what this post is about is not in any way limited.

I can imagine the bullshit that is happening right now in the states because of Bush's "righteous" war , the sideways glances at anyone with a bit of an arab appearance , the taunts by racist rednecks (not everyone from the middle east is a muslim), the paranoia not equaled since McCarthy's communist witchhunts.

I can well believe there are those among the muslim communities who are fearfull of what a bunch of moronic dickheads with guns can do if they suddenly take it into there heads to start dispensing they're own version of justice .

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My ability to discern what this post is about is not in any way limited.

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Sure it isn't limited man, I believe you.

"Are you blind??"

Why, do you have something against blind people?

"Called me out on what ??"

So your saying your limited now? I see! well, ok, I'll try to open your mind so you can see a little better. You made the claim

"The ignorance that promotes the idea that all Muslims are "evil" is so stupid it is right up there with the idea that the moon is made of cheese , what friggin century are you guys living in??"

Then I said,

"I never once wrote the word evil."

Then you said it was for Torog but you quoted me. I called you out on your trying to say I said all muslims are evil, when clearly I never did. You also said I was fence sitting, when clearly I am not. That should be your first clue that I am being sarcastic with what I said. Are you getting all this, or should I slow down a little more for ya?

"Why would I want you to be less human when I already dislike a lot of humans , human or martian doesn't mean a thing."

You have a problem with sarcasim don't cha?

"I can imagine the bullshit that is happening right now in the states because of Bush's "righteous" war , the sideways glances at anyone with a bit of an arab appearance , the taunts by racist rednecks (not everyone from the middle east is a muslim), the paranoia not equaled since McCarthy's communist witchhunts."

The human imagination is something is it not? I could imagine a lot of things about you, but that wouldn't make them true now would it?

"I can well believe there are those among the muslim communities who are fearfull of what a bunch of moronic dickheads with guns can do if they suddenly take it into there heads to start dispensing they're own version of justice ."

I can believe that too.

Toker

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Sure it isn't limited man, I believe you.

"Are you blind??"

Why, do you have something against blind people?

"Called me out on what ??"

So your saying your limited now? I see! well, ok, I'll try to open your mind so you can see a little better. You made the claim

"The ignorance that promotes the idea that all Muslims are "evil" is so stupid it is right up there with the idea that the moon is made of cheese , what friggin century are you guys living in??"

Then I said,

"I never once wrote the word evil."

Then you said it was for Torog but you quoted me. I called you out on your trying to say I said all muslims are evil, when clearly I never did. You also said I was fence sitting, when clearly I am not. That should be your first clue that I am being sarcastic with what I said. Are you getting all this, or should I slow down a little more for ya?

"Why would I want you to be less human when I already dislike a lot of humans , human or martian doesn't mean a thing."

You have a problem with sarcasim don't cha?

"I can imagine the bullshit that is happening right now in the states because of Bush's "righteous" war , the sideways glances at anyone with a bit of an arab appearance , the taunts by racist rednecks (not everyone from the middle east is a muslim), the paranoia not equaled since McCarthy's communist witchhunts."

The human imagination is something is it not? I could imagine a lot of things about you, but that wouldn't make them true now would it?

"I can well believe there are those among the muslim communities who are fearfull of what a bunch of moronic dickheads with guns can do if they suddenly take it into there heads to start dispensing they're own version of justice ."

I can believe that too.

Toker

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Torog obviously has a problem with muslims.
You obviously feel offended (tough)
I never said the words I wrote were a quote from anyone it was a generalisation of the feeling I believe torog would like us all to feel.
It is also true that the attitude towards muslims is colored by the media.

"The ignorance that promotes the idea that all Muslims are "evil" is so stupid it is right up there with the idea that the moon is made of cheese , what friggin century are you guys living in??"

Again I say if the cap fits.


You know, you may be right! Then again, you may be wrong!

I call that sitting on the fence.

As for my other statements about the muslims feeling threatened , the fanatics don't just wear headscarfs and praise allah , they also take shape in the klan and others like them .

And this is just propoganda ??
http://www.christiansciencemonitor.c...1s03-ussc.html

And this too I suppose.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2488829.stm

Now if you can forget your petty little beef with the way you interpret everything that is said that you don't like maybe you can stay on topic instead???
Pedants are ever so boring.

Sure thing boss, I'll try to stay on topic for ya. What was that topic anyway? My fence sitting, or Torogs hate? Maybe it was the sarcasim you still seem to be missing?

"Now if you can forget your petty little beef with the way you interpret everything that is said"

Well ok, but only if you promise to be a good boy also. Your first reply to me was an attack, if you attack me, I will defend. BTW, every time you claim I am sitting on some fence, you show how much you don't comprehend what you read.

"As for my other statements about the muslims feeling threatened , the fanatics don't just wear headscarfs and praise allah , they also take shape in the klan and others like them ."

And so you think what, that this somehow excuses islams violence? I don't get the whole comparing thing. Do you really feel if others do it too, that it is ok to do? That is a strange way of thinking, and it has been around a lot lately.

Toker

I think the point psychocat is trying to make, is that you shouldnt single-out one minority as violent, when just as much violence comes from other people and places.

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I think the point psychocat is trying to make, is that you shouldnt single-out one minority as violent, when just as much violence comes from other people and places.

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Islam produces violence. So what should I say about that so as to not offend sensitive people, that humans produce violence? Is that a broad enough stroke not to offend? I don't believe singling things out is such a bad thing. It helps to understand that singled out thing better. It doesn't make me hatefull to want to be spicific. What I have been saying is that islam creates violence. Without islam, there would be less violence. How many would blow themselves up to kill innocent people without islam? We can't say no to religion, but we can't let it rule us either. Will you stand up for Torog when he is singled out? Would you stand for his right to say those things you don't like? I would stand for a muslims right to worship, but I won't stand with their violence towards the innocent for any reason. Nor will I decieve myself into thinking islam is peacefull, when it's violence is all around us.

Toker

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Sure thing boss, I'll try to stay on topic for ya. What was that topic anyway? My fence sitting, or Torogs hate? Maybe it was the sarcasim you still seem to be missing?

"Now if you can forget your petty little beef with the way you interpret everything that is said"

Well ok, but only if you promise to be a good boy also. Your first reply to me was an attack, if you attack me, I will defend. BTW, every time you claim I am sitting on some fence, you show how much you don't comprehend what you read.

"As for my other statements about the muslims feeling threatened , the fanatics don't just wear headscarfs and praise allah , they also take shape in the klan and others like them ."

And so you think what, that this somehow excuses islams violence? I don't get the whole comparing thing. Do you really feel if others do it too, that it is ok to do? That is a strange way of thinking, and it has been around a lot lately.

Toker

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My first comment was a light hearted comment which you chose to be obsessed with , you're obviously incapable of escaping your prejudices about muslims , and at no point did I advocate violence in any form perpetrated by anyone.You certainly have made no attempt to answer the charge that muslims in the US are afraid of what can only be described as religious persecution.

http://gbgm-umc.org/Response/articles/USMuslim.html

If I wanted to attack you personally I would do so but since you are really only guilty of pettyness it would be equally petty of me to carry this any further , so I will put this in as plain a manner as possible.
Go away little boy !!

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Will you stand up for Torog when he is singled out? Would you stand for his right to say those things you don't like?

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Yes, I would. If you take a look at the thread entitled "this is not a porn site", you will see that i'm the only person standing up for free-speech, when everybody else is asking for certain people to be banned for talking about a very taboo subject.

I don't like some of the things that Torog says, and i'm sure he - among many others - doesn't like some of the things that I say; such is life. But, there are a number of subjects that i'm sure Torog and I, and you and I, agree on. Just because i'm saying I dont like what Torog posted at the beginning of this thread, doesn't mean I have any hatred, animosity, or anger towards him, and I still think he and you are valued members of this community.

Many of the discussions i've had with Torog have ended in one of us saying 'Let's agree to disagree', and that's probably the best thing to do in this circumstance. We're all human, and we all have opinions and egos, so no two persons are ever going to completely agree, especially when we're talking about opinionated people such as ourselves. lol :)

"My first comment was a light hearted comment which you chose to be obsessed with"

Really??? Your story seems to change a bit as you go. Are you sure it was "light harted" as you say? If it was, why wait until now to say it was?

"you're obviously incapable of escaping your prejudices about muslims"

Calling islam violent is not being prejudice. It's being truthfull.

"and at no point did I advocate violence in any form perpetrated by anyone."

Did I say you did? I said you were excusing it. Maybe your not able to keep form making untrue statements because the truth won't work for ya! If you change the words, you change the meaning. If you have to change the meaning of what I say, then there might be something wrong with your arguement in the fist place.

"You certainly have made no attempt to answer the charge that muslims in the US are afraid of what can only be described as religious persecution."

http://gbgm-umc.org/Response/articles/USMuslim.html

You have one article that your basing your "religious persecution" claim on? To bad for you that it is not like that here. It does show that your belief system is based on what you want to think is happening here, much more then it is truth.

If I wanted to attack you personally I would do so but since you are really only guilty of pettyness it would be equally petty of me to carry this any further , so I will put this in as plain a manner as possible.
Go away little boy !!

Go away??? Awww, do I have to? Come on man, can't I stay a little longer? You being the big man you are, surely you could spare me over to another day?

Toker

http://www.progressiveaustin.org/atakmusl.htm
This is all untrue??
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter1.htm
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...5427525.htm?1c
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/se...-s15_prn.shtml

Hysteria was always my least favourite human trait.
The truth is the negative imprinting (media brainwashing) is so wrong , the US born japanese were locked away after pearl harbour , how long will it be before the idiots decide "well we better lock up all the muslims now before they do anything"?
I don't believe all americans are racist bigots but nor do I believe they're all nice guys , I know how some folk just can't think for themselves and the evidence is there showing that incidents of persecution are occuring.

Your articles are rather outdated don't you think? And they are struggling to find things in them to claim are racialy motivated attacks. If you think what we did a few days after 9/11 is bad, have a look at what Amsterdam did a few days after the muslim killed the movie director van gouh. What's untrue about your claim of religious persecution in the US is that in order for your claim to be true, it would have to be orginized, which it is not. Islam is orginized hate that produces violence. It's not hard to understand, but you do need to be trying to understand.

"The truth is the negative imprinting (media brainwashing) is so wrong , the US born japanese were locked away after pearl harbour , how long will it be before the idiots decide "well we better lock up all the muslims now before they do anything"?"

What good does it do you to exagerate things so far out of porportion? There is "imprinting" in all forms of media. Do you have a certain form of media that you find truthfull, and unbiased? If so, what is that form of media? No one is wanting to "lock all muslims up now". Your view is obviously bent in some strange direction for your own personal resons. Can you find me a more recent list of muslims being "persecuted" in the US just for being muslims?

"I don't believe all americans are racist bigots but nor do I believe they're all nice guys , I know how some folk just can't think for themselves and the evidence is there showing that incidents of persecution are occuring."

You know there is a difference between what islam is doing, and what happened in responce to 9/11. There is no ongoing systematic persecution of muslims in the US, and your very own "evidence" is proof of that. You have very few, very isolated cases, that popped up after a very very bad attack on the US. That should be cause to praise US for the restraint and understanding of our people, yet people like you demand perfection. If they don't get it, they claim persecution. Did you check to see what became of the cases you dug up? Charged with a hate crime one of them was. More then likely he's still in jail. Pesecution??? Yeah right! Does Islam produce violence? It sure does.

Toker