Stinky's Crash Course in "nOOb Hydro"... Welcome to the Darkside

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I may smack dem biatches around every now and again, but it's only cuz pimpin' aint as easy as I make it look, and although ATM I'm fixin' to come upside they heads, It dont sttle no ribs to see dem bitches sweatin'...just aint what the playas is lookin' fo ya dig?

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Can i get a translation book for this pleease!!


Step away from the bong....two steps min.....

haha there should be a disclaimer on Chron's siggy, not the usual "this is not my grow it's pics I took off the internet" but "I'm probably stoned right now and practicing my comedy routines on you, the captive audience".

I'm not kidding, if you heard Chron's impersonation of the Notorious BIG... omg the kid needs to start doing standup.

Well I gotta run, it's off to the local garden centers with my buddy to hunt down some new and exciting clearance plants for the legit garden. Good times.

Well I would have laughed hysterically.....if I had understood a word of it. Maybe you had to be there??? :stoned:

The one plant that came back FAST is doing great.
I've had one death.
The rest are starting to show signs of recovery.
The system apparently works WELL... error lies between keyboard and chair, as they say.... hahahha

Here's the lovely lady, unknown Bushy Old Grower stuff. Have no clue what it is but it's vigorous!!!

PEBKAC!

::In the distance, the opening notes of Taps can be faintly discerned, swelling to a crescendo before falling away to a hush::

I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Mastergrown Seeds was authorized to do a run of Bogglegum F2s which were sold on seedbay last year, but that is the only authorized BOG stuff I'm personally aware of- not to say it doesn't exist- I got my BOG stuff at Sacred Seed but they don't ship, I had to drive to Toronto from Massachusetts... hahaha quite a nice vacation actually; I went via Madison WI and Escanaba (?) ON... on the Ninja. Boy, was my ass ever sore after that one!

Well I also have an update on the system. I TOTALLY mangled the roots putting the plants in there and after a day or so they all looked dead or very nearly so, but as long as there's a green growing tip I don't consider a plant a loss... so I left them. The first to make a full recovery was a unknown cross of two unknown plants from a BOG mix pack. IT has since turned into a volleyball-sized globe of greenery. The others don't look so hot still but are STILL ALIVE!!! And all but one appear to have recovered.

I also switched to the Canna Aqua a+b, since it's buffered better fro hydro, and the cornucopia seems beautifully suited to soil. I'm a lazy bum and finally got around to my first res change this morning. lol.

I just can't believe the hardiness of this plant. My temps are in the 90s, I bused the clones transplanting them, tortured them with wild pH fluctuations, and they are STILL hanging on!

Oh and the specific BOG stuff I hold at the moment is:
-Bogglegum (male)
-SourBubble (both male and female)
-Unknown bushy mix female
-A couple crosses
-Black Indica (male and unsexed) which is actually Plan B gear but Bushy's got a hand in that project and the BI really falls in line wiht the hardiness and noob-resistance of his older work.

If anyone is growing his stuff and selling unauthorized seeds, I'd post about it over at ICMag. The guy deserves more respect than that!

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Hey stinky sorry for taking so long. I recevied my bogglegum saturday and on the web site its says they are the exclusive distributor of the remaining authentic world-class Bog supplies available. I also received my other seeds as well today. As soon as Im able to start growing they will be the first seeds I pop and if I have any questions I hope you will help me out thanks and your plants are looking fine keep it up girl.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

Thanks BigWeed. That Boggle is a nice plant; MAKE YOURSELF SEEDS OF IT!!!!! It's almost entirely stabilized. I've only got a male boggle, a female BlueJay x boggle (thanks KD! She's a beaut), and a mated pair of sourbubbles (sour bogglegum pheno)... I'm missing the girl!!! Awwwww. I should have backed it up when I had the chance. Now I have to cube out the male or something. It's gonna be a pain in the ass.

Backed? Cubed? Is this a math thread??? :eek:

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Thanks BigWeed. That Boggle is a nice plant; MAKE YOURSELF SEEDS OF IT!!!!! It's almost entirely stabilized. I've only got a male boggle, a female BlueJay x boggle (thanks KD! She's a beaut), and a mated pair of sourbubbles (sour bogglegum pheno)... I'm missing the girl!!! Awwwww. I should have backed it up when I had the chance. Now I have to cube out the male or something. It's gonna be a pain in the ass.

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Oh yes I will be making seeds with all my strains I got. Since they sent me my order I will purchase two more of bogs strains before christmas Ill let you know which ones when I decide thanks.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

No, I don't have a cold, it's in my res. I was wondering why the outlet had slowed to a trickle, yanked the pump, and discovered it was COATED with slime. Not a hard fix, just take out the filter and rinse, but I had to TOUCH the slime!!! Who said hydro was CLEAN? Come here and let me smack you two time!! Yuck. Plants are fine though. Almost time to call the system a success and build the other 2 modules.

LOL @ two time!
psssst...buy a box of cheapie medical gloves. I'm like Howard Hughes. I touch nothing.

Hey Stinky I just read through this thread start to finish and wanted to say Im happy to see you enter the world of Hydro with such a Grand entrance. Did this thread die out for a reason? No ones put anything on it in over 3 weeks from what I can see. Well either way I like the logic in your system hope it does well for you!!

Hey stinky I was wondering I was going to start up my grows again and I might need some help with question about breeding is it alright to ask them here in your log here or do you have another log i can post them in because there isnt a breeding log to post question in.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

The hydro log... ehhhh... the system is just sitting there doing hydro things, not especially exciting. I know, I should post some updates. Sorry... :D

BigWeed, start your own thread with questions so that other members can also help answer.

I'll try to get some pics tonight, but it looks abotu the same as it did. The plants are nothing to write home about- they have some issues (my temps are spiking back up into the 90s) so glamour shots are going to be disappointing!

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

The hydro log... ehhhh... the system is just sitting there doing hydro things, not especially exciting. I know, I should post some updates. Sorry... :D

BigWeed, start your own thread with questions so that other members can also help answer.

I'll try to get some pics tonight, but it looks abotu the same as it did. The plants are nothing to write home about- they have some issues (my temps are spiking back up into the 90s) so glamour shots are going to be disappointing!

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Hey thanks stinky I will do that.:rasta::rastasmoke::smokin:

Update... I took down the first couple plants out of the hydro system. Yield is looking promising! So far:

1 unknown cross of 2 unknown BOG mix-pack plants, in at the first planting (Oct 8), out as a 10" x 3" diameter single bud.
1 NorCal Daddy's girl, in at the second planting (Ehhhh... Nov 1?), out as a 8" x avg. 2/5" diameter single bud with virtually no foliage (I think I had to take off like 4 fans and a dozen sugarleaves; the bud is the most outrageously high calyx-to-leaf ratio I have ever seen and I will be running this again).

Still to come down are a bunch of Yeag's MTFs that were put in at the third planting (mid-Nov) and the largest of which is a single cola that at the moment stands 24" tall, averages more than 4" in diameter, and is SOLID and has not even begun to ripen yet. HOly crapola batman.

No pics yet (camera died) but I give 2 thumbs up to nOOb hydro.

I ended up running only the canna aqua a+b , topmax, and molasses, no bloom boosters, city tap water, no pH adjustment (or even checking lol) after the hydroton had stabilized, only like 2 res changes during the whole grow... that doesn't count the couple overflows I had, lol. And I let the res get down VERY VERY low, even to dryness, pretty frequently. Oh- and temps were up into the 90's at several points during the grow. And I got mites, lol. I literally did everything wrong and still lucked out. The system is obviously VERY forgiving.

As a side note, if you don't want to come home and find a piece of your living room ceiling sitting on your sofa, an attic hydro system should have some type of secondary containment to catch res overflows or tubes popping off their fittings... For example, a frame of 2x6s around the perimeter of the room with a pond liner draped over them...

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

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I ended up running only the canna aqua a+b , topmax, and molasses, no bloom boosters, city tap water, no pH adjustment (or even checking lol) after the hydroton had stabilized, only like 2 res changes during the whole grow... that doesn't count the couple overflows I had, lol. And I let the res get down VERY VERY low, even to dryness, pretty frequently. Oh- and temps were up into the 90's at several points during the grow. And I got mites, lol. I literally did everything wrong and still lucked out. ............

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WeedHound is gonna lose her mind when she reads this:S2:

Nice job, get that cam crackin!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Rock.Steady

WeedHound is gonna lose her mind when she reads this

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We are already less-than-sane here in the canncom grow forums as far as I can figure...

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Originally Posted by Rock.Steady

Nice job, get that cam crackin!

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The first pic will have to be of the missing CHUNK of ceiling... that's fun. Calcium paint over horsehair plaster is a BITCH to restore... remove all loose chunks and vinegar wash first, dry, stabilize with oil-based primer (KILZ), patch with spackle and mudding-tape (I'm going for the woven sort rather than paper), dry, sand, and prime again, paint, reinstall hydro system upstairs, wait 2 months, do it all over again... :wtf:
I will do a plaster repair tutorial for y'alls amusement... :D

1 and 2- Daddy's Girl bud from the hydro system. Frosty and wonderful, and when dried the pineapple smell really comes out more than the grapefruit. I'm getting RAVE reviews on her and everyone I know wants a cutting.
3- Yeag's MTF plant still in the system getting LARGE. Those are only 6" pots supporting that monster...

ho big was it by harvest time?

and da buds look bangen.:D :thumbsup: :jointsmile:

Stinky, why do you choose to use the HPS on your mama's? Is it that it's what you have, and it's your spare, or do you favor the HPS for veg. Because that is my choice of light source.Veg and flower.Just curious! You never fail to help me!

Ga Grown!;)

Stinky, that looks YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

well done!
2 thumbs up!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

To answer the 'how big' question, what you see is what you get- that bud was an entire plant. It also had about a half dozen fan leves on it, but I cut them off when I harvested it.
I only use the HPS in flower. The confusion over mothers under HPS is that my focus is actually on clone production rather than bud production, and I often have old retired mothers kicking around who have outlives their usefulness as clone donors, so I toss them into flower. When they are in veg, I keep them under T12 shop lights with cool white tubes until I need to harvest cuttings off them, then I put them under my MH400 and hit them with N for a week, then feed them bloom fert for another week, then harvest cuttings. The bloom fert is good because a mom at the point of being cut should be very slightly N starved and have plenty of P available so the clones will root well.
Thank you Rock. For an experiment, I thought it came out rather well.

beautiful nugs! hope to be at your level of the game soon.

Everything is down and cleared out.

I've been scrubbing the troughs and about to run the pots through the dishwasher to prepare the setup for another round.

Now we clean hydroton... :D
Shown is a big bin with all the hydroton that the system used (equivalent to a 5 gallon pail full) and about 4 gallons of water with 40 mL cannazyme and an airstone in it. I've removed the chunks of root matter. I'm going to let that sit for about a week and then rinse it off and adjust the pH for re-use.

One thing I noticed with this system is that there is no need to adjust the res temp. Since everything is spilling over hydroton all the time, and cascading through air, it stays at approximately ambient air temperature- so if the room is at proper temp, so is the res.

It's the same deal with the airstone. It was completely unneccessary and I removed it early in the grow. The cascading action is enough to keep the res aerated.

I highly recommend this method to aspiring hydro growers.

And then we smoke the spoils! I'm a bit thunderfucked at the moment... :drool:

Uh oh... what's that under the domes? Could it be... noooo... but it IS!

OMGWTF!

TO BE CONTINUED.....

wow, I've been off track from this thread for awhile.

LOVE those colas! Beautiful. Going to grow some DG this summer outside and hopefully get a few clones (IF I can figure out cloning)

As for temps and ph etc.....my favorite saying is that's its all good.....right up until you have a problem. Stinkster didn't get a problem so she wins. :thumbsup: Unfortunately, I've had WAY too many so it behooves me to check carefully. ;)

Lol!
I can't say that the grow went perfectly, either... I did end up with some toxic salt crap at the end because I wasn't changing the res often enough, but the effort-to-harvest ratio was very low, and in my book, that's great!
Watch out Hound, before we know it, Reaper will return to the internet, only to discover that his 'Daddy's Girl' is the new 'It Girl'! I'm doing my part to spread the love across New England. She's such a cutie.

and what might THAT be, under ye ole dome?????

inquiring minds need to know:wtf::D

im also gettin ready for a journey into the moistness;)

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Originally Posted by Rock.Steady

and what might THAT be, under ye ole dome?????

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Uh oh trrrubble. Rock's comin' to town...
Under the dome may or may not be a fresh round of clones with some real winners in the group...
Stinky may or may not have gotten her hands on some members of the Diesel/Chem family recently...
Only time will tell! ;)

Oh noes... I see plaster repair in my near future...
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I can plaster, if you need a few repairs done,
ive got All the tools!!! he he:D

Duuude. Plaster party at Stinky's. I've got a few tools of my own... and I'm not afraid to use them! Mwahahahahahaa!

Sounds good to me, is that ceiling falling down because of you spilling water all over the attic floor, ooops, naughty naughty:stoned:

Ehhh operator error lol... I bumped one of the lines refilling my res one day and didn't stick around long enough to notice that the return water was now hitting the pump line and being directed to ... elsewhere... not the res...

Luckily I own the place so it's a matter of not being a lazy bum and getting up on my Little Giant (those things are bad ass!!!).

Plus, as I might have stated earlier in the thread, one of the major advantages to the waterfall NFT is the res size can be quite small- even in the 5 gallon pail I ended up running only a 3-4 gallon nute solution, so the damage wasn't as bad as it would have been had I run a flood-n-drain of the same size off a 30 gallon res! :eek:

No disrespect but for a beginner I don't think that system is the best. IMO there is no easier system than an Ebb/Flow table. Why? Well temp control, operation, nute changes, margin for error are all superior. I believe that net pots filled with hydroton and not rockwool for the reusability, on an ebb/flow table would be better. No plumbing either. Although I must say for the effort it takes to clean hydroton and the low price of rockwool, with the beginner in mind it is worth buying. Plants will easily last 3-7 days in moist rockwool should the pump fail. Where I live ebb/flow tables are quite inexpensive which is why after about a year of considering all the different methods I have chosen Ebb/Flow SOG. I realise people wanting to grow plants other than donkey dicks may find it a little difficult but as far as producing perpetual, gram/watt yeilds I think it is unmatched.

Just my 2 cents.

The ebb/flow table takes extra equipment and maintenance (pump must be on a timer and flood schedule needs to be dialed in).
The res size is much larger.
The res will need to be aerated by an additional piece of equipment, whereas the vertical NFT self- aerates.
If you use net pots, they must be sunk in some substrate or protected from light in some manner. You can use the same pots I used in an ebb n flow though.
There is in fact plumbing for an ebb/flow.
How do I know this stuff? I used to run one. It was fine. My friends run them. They are fine. They have reservoir dumps too- one guy flooded his house with his 40 gallon res. Operator error of course, but you know. Plus the expense of purchasing a large res puts some people off who are looking to try out hydro for the first time with little investment.

I'm not sure what that jab about donkey dicks was all about- do you have a problem with me that I'm not aware of? Where in this thread was Donkey Dick even mentioned?

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The ebb/flow table takes extra equipment and maintenance (pump must be on a timer and flood schedule needs to be dialed in).

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A feeding schedule is quite simple to formulate and the timer is as self-explanatory as they come.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

The res size is much larger.

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Much larger than what?

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The res will need to be aerated by an additional piece of equipment, whereas the vertical NFT self- aerates.

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I don't think that's all together true. When the draining occurs air is sucked into the root area. I think using an air pump would improve growth rates but IMO it is not a neccessity. Only in wall to wall, high density grows is it really needed IMO.

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If you use net pots, they must be sunk in some substrate or protected from light in some manner. You can use the same pots I used in an ebb n flow though.

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Hydroton would do...

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There is in fact plumbing for an ebb/flow.
How do I know this stuff? I used to run one. It was fine. My friends run them. They are fine. They have reservoir dumps too- one guy flooded his house with his 40 gallon res. Operator error of course, but you know.

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What plumbing? Fixing the flood/drain fittings?
House flooding like that is ridiculously uncommon...

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Plus the expense of purchasing a large res puts some people off who are looking to try out hydro for the first time with little investment.

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They must be expensive over your way...

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I'm not sure what that jab about donkey dicks was all about- do you have a problem with me that I'm not aware of? Where in this thread was Donkey Dick even mentioned?

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That was not a jab but nonetheless I am sorry if I caused offence. I was merely talking about my personal situation. I am a SOG enthusiast.

You know what? This was meant to be an instructional log, not an argument over why I'm doing it wrong. So if you are interested in starting your own log showing noobs how to build, run, and maintain an ebb and flow system from scratch, that's great, and I promise I won't come in at the end and write an essay about why mine was better, okay?

-The timer may be self-explanatory as a piece of equipment, but the flood schedule is NOT. I've spent enough time in grow troubleshooting forums to see that yes, indeed, new growers have trouble matching their flood cycles to their plant size, temps, light intensity, and ambient humidity.

-For the same number of plants, the amount of water needed to flood a table vs. keep them constantly wetted using flow is much higher. Were I to have run flood n drain on this system, it would have been a 30 gallon res MINIMUM vs. the 4 gallons I used. This is a very efficient use of water and nutrients.

-You need an airstone in your reservoir to keep the nutrient solution aerated. That's what I was talking about. This prevents unwanted chemical reactions among nutrient components, and inhibits undesirable bacterial growth, as the level of dissolved gases is kept constant (=areobic).

-Hydroton WOULD do. I used to run a BED of hydroton. As with the reservoir, the system required a solid 5x the hydroton that the containerized one needed to be filled correctly. The idea behind the containers is that they not only hold the rootball, but protect it from light, using a bare minimum of pebbles. I also found that at the end of the grow, this system required much less cleaning. The flow action kept the pebbles completely free of algae and slime.

-Maybe you haven't met enough people who have flooded their grow areas. I have. A friend recently had to re-carpet his back room due to a reservoir problem. I believe it was a stray bit of hydroton blocking the drain pipe, and 50 gallons of Canna stains like a motherfucker when it dries.

-Yes. 'Over my way' a 5 gallon pail is $4 and a 40 gallon reservoir is the same as it is 'over your way' if the local hydro shop orders through NGW:
707163http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gif50 GAL EZ DRAIN LIDhttp://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gif$59.95http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gifhttp://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gifhttp://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gif707164http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gif50 GAL EZ DRAIN RESERVOIRhttp://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gif$115.95http://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gifhttp://www.nationalgardenwholesale.c...ges/spacer.gifThat's about $175 for the set. Plus shipping.

If you had read earlier in it as well, you would have seen that another major goal was to develop a cheap system that would break down into small components and fit in the back of a compact car for ease of moving. Mine does just that- the entire volume of hydroton needed to run it just happens to EXACLTY fill up the 5 gallon pail that had been used as the res, all the tubing rolls up into a shopping bag, and the two leach trays nest together into a 4'x6"x6" package, whcih can be stuffed in a large duffel bag. Try doing that with a 4x4 ebb n flow table and the associated reservoir.

Hope this explains why I made this log.

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You know what? This was meant to be an instructional log, not an argument over why I'm doing it wrong. So if you are interested in starting your own log showing noobs how to build, run, and maintain an ebb and flow system from scratch, that's great, and I promise I won't come in at the end and write an essay about why mine was better, okay?

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Touchy aren't we? Would you agree it is not a good idea to post a tutorial for beginners if it is not the most effective? I apologise for the discussion. Hardly an argument though...I merely wanted to hear your thoughts on the alternative. Again I apologise. I don't think plumbing is the answer for beginners. Pure and simple...
But I digress, clearly you do not wish to continue this conversation so I will not bother...

I really DON'T wish to continue this conversation but it has nothing to do with being touchy, so how about you keep that opinion to yourself. I consider it more of a threadjack.

And I consider this to be a VERY streamlined and simple system for a beginner to assemble. There is a very good reason that the owner of the local hydro shop has one of these things tucked in amongst the 'floor models' of Aero, Ebb n Flow, and even an Omega that those of us with deeper pockets can afford, and it is full of lush, healthy pepper plants.

The plumbing is a matter of poking holes in flexi and sticking barbed fittings in them. A fifth-grader could do it.
Effective as in giving commercial yields in a dedicated grow room? Sure, flood and drain does that.
Effective as in a small system that fits in an average sized hall closet ( footprint 18" x 5 feet) and gives very respectable yields with minimal hassle? There's not a damn thing wrong with the vertical NFT. If you are interested in busting apart grow styles, go find a Phototron thread and tell them all the reasons it doesn't make sense...

Obviously, you are FAR beyond a beginner, so I don't even see why you are bothering with this discussion... Every troll knows it is FAR more satisfying to get a rise out of a mod with 13,000 posts than a member with 200. I hope you are enjoying yourself.