7 reasons to support George W. Bush

There's a difference between having a different view on something because the facts support an alternate belief (ex: Person A votes for Obama because he supports universal health care while Person B votes against him since Obama supports the patriot act) and having a different view on something because your facts are wrong (ex: "Bush is supported by more than 50% of Americans so he's doing a good job"....when in reality its more around 30-40%...)or peripheral facts are being withheld (ex: "Bush didn't do anything illegal"...when in reality that's only because he changed the law so that none of his actions were illegal).

Supporters of Bush always seem to fall into the last two categories (I must admit there are a few that are in the first category and just don't mind being spied on illegally, don't mind our troops being killed senselessly since they're not the ones dying, don't have a problem with our school system because they aren't in school and neither are their kids, etc).

I've seen a lot of real facts from the Bush haters...The supporters have yet to show any...All they've shown was "Well one thing he did wasn't quite as bad as what another President did before I was born"...That's pathetic. I'm not being a dick. I honestly want to hear some facts of what Bush has done that makes him "not so bad." Considering all the negativity he's brought, he must have done something absolutely fantastic to make him not so bad right? The closest thing I've heard to a fact from a Bush supporter on this thread was "The war is legal"...well...that's not exactly true, and even if it was that wouldn't make it a good thing....

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

most importantly, President Bush has moved the 'Theater of Operations', (war-zone), from downtown New York City, to downtown Baghdad ... war is truly 'hell', and it's best to have 'hell' situated elsewhere, whenever possible ... :smokin:

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I really hope you don't truly think that.

A war-zone..in NYC? not quite. This is the same misunderstanding of war that our entire nation needs to be held accountable for. If every citizen in our country truly understood what it meant for their country to "be at war" then we would never have let this go on for as long as it has with so many lives lost and families destroyed. I won't even get into the more materialistic downfalls such as the billions upon billions of dollars spent that could completelyyy resolve hunger and education in the US. I really wish someone had read my post earlier.. 9/11 was not this malicious attack waged by blood thirsty islamic radicals for no other reason than to see the 'civilized white people society suffer' as the media would like you to believe. It was retalliation!!!! We STARTED this and in my opinion it could have been far worse and 9/11 was just their first virgin trial. Do you honestly think an attack as elaborate as this is the brainfart of Osama bin Laden who just simply had nothing better to do? It is however the culmination and result of terrible foreign policy on part of the US. If maybe we respected the cultures and ideals of others outside our own border we would know that we should just probably maybe at our leisure get our fucking military bases and oil interests the fuck off islamic holy land. Yeah, put a military base in the Vatican and see what happens.. and that is by NO means an exaggeration of the analogy because it is unfair to undermine what is valued by one culture over another.

I seem to remember a far worse act of retalliation..say um maybe dropping two nukes on two innocent cities? Yeah you don't see Japan still in our face about that shit...

Politicians wake up! Respect other nations and cultures in this world and learn from your goddamn fucking mistakes..

and stay high.

Okay heres a few, the second admendment. He's never wavered on that. And to me, thats one of the main reasons I call myself a republican.

He also didnt cave in to all that socialized medicine crap. Which I happen to disagree with greatly.

He also kept taxes low and our dow jones and such is the highest its ever been.

^Oh and Japan was NOT a mistake. Thats the smartest shit the U.S. has ever done when it comes to war. Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything. Then go to China and Russia too. Enough of this U.N. crap. Joining the U.N. was one of the worst mistakes we ever did.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

He also kept taxes low and our dow jones and such is the highest its ever been.

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Do you really think those two very vague and pretty much meaningless statements are in any way reasonable indicators of the state of our economy? You'd have to dig deep back into the Clinton years to find out what true success can be measured in.. a BALANCED budget. You won't here talk of one of those probably in our lifetime as a result of what we have done in Iraq under the Bush administration

Stay high.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

^Oh and Japan was NOT a mistake. Thats the smartest shit the U.S. has ever done when it comes to war. Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything. Then go to China and Russia too. Enough of this U.N. crap. Joining the U.N. was one of the worst mistakes we ever did.

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Is that what your are goin to teach your students?! My jaw is really on the floor right now. Find me a history teacher on any planet anywhere else to condone an act of war. You would have been better off you use the word "justified" however you would not been able to argue that. To say that the killing of any single person or group of people for any reason is "smart shit" well you're just absolutely outta your mind. I can name you 129uG23.4 treaties that were "smarter" acts when "it comes to war."

Somehow as a history teacher you weren't able to pick up on the concept of warfare. You have no idea what it means to be out in the middle of nowhere with a lethal weapon and thousands of people roaming around trying to kill you... and for what? That post was disgusting and I'm really sorry about how I'm starting to come off but at this point I don't care.

And you're right we should have NEVER joined the UN (originally League of Nations) even though we started it.. you really just don't know what you're talkin about do you?

Stay high.
Stay high.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything.

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This explains a lot...

But really, you honestly think Bush is ok because he's never waivered on the second amendment (the right to bear arms was taken away from the people of New Orleans after Katrina, by the way...People refused to admit that until fairly recently for some reason)? He never slapped my mom in the face with his testacles either, but I hate him because of the things he actually did rather than approve of him for all the things he didn't do. I was hoping for too much from you as a supporter...Like I was expecting an epiphany that would make me accept the fact he wiped his ass with the constitution (only a little corn got on the 2nd amendment though, I guess).

So are you saying you fit into the last group (see my last post. 2nd paragraph)?

On another note, we do agree that the right to bear arms is a necessary right and we seem to agree that the UN should be abolished/never been made in the first place (In my opinion, along with the CIA and a whole slew of other government-oriented/run organizations).

Well its not always pretty but its the truth. Sure, no one SHOULD have to die in any act of war. War is a horrible, horrible thing. I know this, my brother is a sergent of infantry in Iraq as we speak and my father and my grandfather were both in the service too.

It's just that the world isnt perfect and nice. Its a dog eat dog world out there and peace doesnt work unless EVERYONE is doing it and our competators would slit our throats the minute we even showed weakness for a second.

And no, im not teaching my future students my views or your views for that matter. They will be taught from the book and the things that go with that. A pretty unbiased view of the world and its history. Let them decide when they have all that info themse;ves when they become older.

durr heehe bu$$h sux

man those kind of anti bush people are almost as stupid as the people who still support him

And hun, dont group me in with a crazy Bush supporter, im not really a "republican". I just have some republican-ish views. I really fall into the libertarian thing.

And yeah I bet we agree on a bunch of shit non Bush related. Like I dunno, religion maybe and gay rights and pro choice matters.

ah...This thread makes me want to homeschool my kids, but at the same time I want them to see how rediculous other people can be. I have to switch to a different thread now. I feel like I'm screaming into the ear of Helen Keller, and that's just kind of uncomfortable. Time to smoke a bowl and move to something less political for the time being.

yeah forreal as an educator you should know the texts especially history are FAR from unbiased. It's always in terms of the US how it benefits us or how someone is supposedly against things that benefit us. That pretty easily sums it up. Strive to implement real facts and historical documentation into your lessons..and posts while you're at it

Oh man and how could you possibly disagree with "socialized medicine"?! jeez, especially in today's society..and wait by socialized medicine..you DO mean healthcare for every citizen of this country regardless of wealth right? this is one of those things in politics that simply cannot be argued against.. how on earth do you justify denying someone healthcare they need..that is beyond me..unless of course you ALSO are being paid off by the HMOs? which still wouldn't really explain that

well heres some of Canada's issues with it, from the mouth of one of the doctors

"I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic - with a three-year wait list; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks. overnment researchers now note that more than 1.5 million Ontarians (or 12% of that province's population) can't find family physicians. Health officials in one Nova Scotia community actually resorted to a lottery to determine who'd get a doctor's appointment. These problems are not unique to Canada - they characterize all government-run health care systems.

Canadian doctors, long silent on the health care system's problems, are starting to speak up. Last August, they voted Brian Day president of their national association. Day has become perhaps the most vocal critic of Canadian public health care, having opened his own private surgery center and challenging the government to shut him down.

And now even Canadian governments are looking to the private sector to shrink the waiting lists. In British Columbia, private clinics perform roughly 80% of government-funded diagnostic testing."

Sup Reb I just saw the thread ...............and had to add Bush is a moron...............he has never done any good him self it was always some eleses idea. Hes a puppet selling lies and his actions are ludacrist. I cant belive he has been in office for 8 years. It is hard to even express this cause I hate the man, He is here today or tomarrow and I have been asked to stay clear and I must comply.. Bunch of bullshit comes to my town my state and my community; but I have respect for my people and county and that is why Im here and not over their. Just hate that guy though

I dont know enough about socialized health care to make a informative decision as there are ALOT of variables involved but it seems to me that a free market society demands growth and if medicine became socialized there would be no incentive to seek newer techniques or drugs, as the people who currently are in those positions would not be making the same wages they are now, true its driven by money and profit, but isnt that why we 'ALL WORK'? to earn money and better our lives, sure there are the few humanitarians (spell check) out there that dont care ab out the all might monetary figure, but they are few and far in between.

Not long ago in Canada, a woman came to USA to deliver her child because the Canadian doctors told her they could not care for her baby there in Canada as it didnt have the proper facilities. but USA did (competition and growth). Also waiting months and months just for regular visits.

I dont claim to know jack squat about socialized medicine, but it seems to me like a disaster.

Is there a socialized system of medicine in any country that currently beats the care of a free market system? I dont know.

I would love to have free health/dental care as it is spendy, I just dont think it is good for long term though.

^yes but nothing is "free" have fun paying taxes through the ass! Just like welfare.

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Originally Posted by junther22

durr heehe bu$$h sux

man those kind of anti bush people are almost as stupid as the people who still support him

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Bush does fucking suck. And stereotyping people because their views follow a trend isn't cool or funny.

I'm a Canadian and I love my health care, doctor visits, and such. it works for the most part, no system is perfect.

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.)

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.)

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I don't care so much about health care, but Bush is an awful president. There is much corruption in the world in general too. It's innevitable wherever you go. But saying we should move is just BS. Just because there is some dumbfuck trying to lead our country and fucking over everyones rights to keep his and his friends agenda's doesn't mean we hate the US. It means we hate the person in charge. The 2nd verse of the song "Freedom of Speech" by Immortal Technique some-what gives my view on our goverment.
" I guess to America I'm a disaster
A slave that was destined to own his masters
Independent in every single sense of the word
I say what I want, you fuckin little sensitive herb
This is America, I thought we had freedom of speech
But now you want try to control the way that I speak
And O'Reilly you think that you a patriot?
You ain't nothing but a motherfuckin racist bitch
Fulla hatred, pressin a button trying to inject me
But I ain't got no motherfuckin deal with Pepsi
No corporate sponser telling me what to do
Asking me to tone it down during the interview
Tryin' to minimize the issue, but I'm keeping it large
I love the place that I live, but I hate the people in charge
Speakin is hard when you got strings attached
So I'm a say it for you 'cause I ain't got none o' that
And if you didn't understand what I spit at your brain
Aiyyo son, let this little ***** explan: "

Im not talking about just the Bush haters tho. Lets just imagine the man is out of office and someone else is there. I dunno democrat or republican (fingers crossed Ron Paul). Theres always those people tho who just bitch and bitch about how they hate america and they hate what we stand for and they go on and on about how great other countries are. Its like nothing is ever good enough for some people.

If US is so bad and evil why is everybody trying to get here? Ok maybe its citizens of 3rd world countries like in central america (for example) that are flooding our borders, but how many people currently living in USA, of those how many leave? There might be a few but overall percentages? I would gamble it is extremely low.

Maybe but you sure see it alot on the news and on the toob...wonder why..

About people leaving the United States...

Of course the number is low. But look at the numbers of US citizens going to Canada... there hasn't been such a "rush for the border" since the Continental Army began kicking butt, and the Tories started running.

One reason why people don't leave is because they don't have enough money to just go someplace else.

Another reason why many people don't just leave the US is because they can't. To go to Canada or Australia (examples because they speak english, and it would be easier) you actually must have higher education, solid professional work skills, or an amount of money to invest.

A lot of US citizens have left the states. I don't blame them. When you're raising a family, you want the best for them, and the current educational system isn't that good (intelligent design, and all), and the US is 42nd (1st being the best) or higher in terms of infant mortality.

Even the money to be made in the US is horrifying. Even with the raise in the minimum wage, your money is worth far less than 12 years ago, if you make the minimum.

Only a few years ago, there was a federal surplus of money, now it's a deficit again, since six plus years ago, and into the TRILLIONS of dollars.

I'm sure everything will get better, and that's where all the folks who left end up winning. If you become a citizen of another country, the US government still considers you an American citizen. These people hold two passports, and two completely different identity backgrounds. Earning euros is much better than earning dollars these days. And once you leave the US, the health care really is a lot better, and MUCH more affordable. Without problems, too.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Im not talking about just the Bush haters tho. Lets just imagine the man is out of office and someone else is there. I dunno democrat or republican (fingers crossed Ron Paul). Theres always those people tho who just bitch and bitch about how they hate america and they hate what we stand for and they go on and on about how great other countries are. Its like nothing is ever good enough for some people.

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yea dude, ron paul is the only hope for turning this country around

RON PAUL 08' WHOOOHOO. and not just cause he supports legalization.

free is better than not at all. this is America let's be serious there will be benefits to those who can pay and those with little or no income but to say that any one person should NOT be treated under any circumstance is absolutely disgusting

Stay high

nobody is turned away from any emergency room for health care, and as far as socialized medicine, can the current welfare (medical) program offered in the states be the equivelant of socialized medicine, as it costs the person nothing?

I myself dont qualify for the free medical program, but I see lots of people who do and them are the one's who dont have a job or income source, and there is plenty of clinics which offer sliding scale fee's dependant upon your income, I am not saying this is TOP NOTCH medical care, but I feel its about the same as you'd get in any other free medical based system.


food for thought.

I saw the title and i couldnt do anything but laugh... Bush is an awful president and it's supporters like you who have no sence at all in what hes capable of. I mean like iv said before in previous threads did anyone watch the debate? I can't believe he still won after that. Stutttterrss and alsos repeats himself over and over, he has no sence at all. And when he talk's you would think he's slow in the head. Yeah that who we want running our country right?> lmao noo

Back in '04 we had a choice, Bush or Kerry

I feel Bush was by far the better choice of the "TWO".

^Oh no, remember all the Bush elections were rigged!;)

heh, thats right!!!

BuschCo Neo-Cons!!

i don't think kerry was fit for president at all either. Both men are stupid IMO.

^thats a very good point. Just like in the situation now. I dont like any of the candidates all the way. Ron Paul is the closest to me. Why cant we have a "Take em' all back and try again" option? haha

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

^thats a very good point. Just like in the situation now. I dont like any of the candidates all the way. Ron Paul is the closest to me. Why cant we have a "Take em' all back and try again" option? haha

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haha That sounds good to me. I thought it was suppose to be our choice anyhow, Why do we end up getting stuck with candidates that we never fully like.... To bad i missed the JFK years..

I jsut saw this on Craigs List



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haha exactly! Now its like, "well hmmm who do you hate less?" it shouldnt be like that. I say we bring back Jefferson, the man smoked pot, believed in the straight up constitution, and besides the slavery crap (yes awful i know but just imagine) he'd be fantastic!

SO FREAKING COOL!!!!!!!!

bahh. that URL dont work.

probably a fake ad, but hell, it was from craigs list :P

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.)

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I'm definitely willing to pay extra taxes so that others can afford to live (and it's not "out the ass"...its still very affordable according to people I've met from Spain, France, and Canada)....This is a problem with Americans...It's a very "me me me me me" society, while some other countries seem to be more about helping the world for the betterment of life in general...You honestly aren't willing to pay some taxes so that a fellow human being can survive?

Socialized medicine isn't a bad idea...Those who need free medical may get stuck in a line, but that's better than never being able to afford healthcare in the first place....Those who can afford to pay can still pay at a private clinic and the wait time will be equal to or less than the wait at whatever hospital you go to now...

You're telling me to move to Canada? That comment sounded like it was from one of those redneck characters from South Park (they took err jobs!). My friends are here. My family is here. Why should I need to alienate myself from those I love when I can give my life a reason, take this country by the balls, change it for the better? Then when this country is paradise, and since you would hate having to pay for those less fortunate for you to survive, I'll tell you to go move to Mexico. You seem to have a hard time thinking of others and putting yourself in another person's position. This isn't even a debate about politics at this point.