ok listen here.......

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

You're not really disagreeing with me cause you don't believe me. You can't be disagreeing that the Holy Ghost never leaves your heart cause you don't believe man could recieve the Spirit of God. Those that loose faith actually don't loose anything. If faith was not in their heart, what did they loose? Your definition of faith is someone putting their trust thinking something is true and then learning that it's not. So they lost "faith" in what they once felt was true.
But what was of substance and what evidence did that person posses that they no longer trust in?

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Yes its true, you always have your all powerfull self at your disposal, though sadly it is ignored by most. You can never loose it because it is you its just dorment waiting to be discovered, only you can make the choice to use it.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

For my own curiosity, what does the Bible say about how to go about getting this baptism of the Holy Spirit? Specific verses would be great.

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â??In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receiveâ?�

â??For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.â?�

â??He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.â?�

â??Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water;
but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.â?�

â??For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.â?�

â??But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through his name.â?�

â??Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:â?�

I was looking for verse numbers, so I can read the stories leading up to them, but thanks for the work so far :)

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Originally Posted by Gippie

You come up with just as many ways to beleive in god =\
And who are you to say you know what the truth is.
Because you don't.

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how can you say I dont know what truth is? if I say that I saw my freind
tom yesterday, at the corner and we talk, and 500 other people saw him
to, then who are you to say that I didnt? and what about the 500? are they
also not telling the truth? if you were not there then how would you know?

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

how can you say I dont know what truth is? if I say that I saw my freind
tom yesterday, at the corner and we talk, and 500 other people saw him
to, then who are you to say that I didnt? and what about the 500? are they
also not telling the truth? if you were not there then how would you know?

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Liar! Tom was with me all day yesterday!

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

how can you say I dont know what truth is? if I say that I saw my freind
tom yesterday, at the corner and we talk, and 500 other people saw him
to, then who are you to say that I didnt? and what about the 500? are they
also not telling the truth? if you were not there then how would you know?

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Yeah! I'm Tom, I was talkin to my man, here. Lots of bitches saw us chewin the fat.

Sorry, no real reason to post this. But he does have a point, you don't exactly know assuming you have to back up your beliefs with cold hard fact and evidence to why you believe these things.

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Originally Posted by bhouncy

Liar! Tom was with me all day yesterday!

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LIES!

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

how can you say I dont know what truth is? if I say that I saw my freind
tom yesterday, at the corner and we talk, and 500 other people saw him
to, then who are you to say that I didnt? and what about the 500? are they
also not telling the truth? if you were not there then how would you know?

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are you sure it was tom, not bob or jim? are you positive it was yesterday and not the day before? what time was this meeting? what corner were you at? and what about these 500 people? since they all saw you, could you identify any of the 500 people? do they personally know you or tom? how close were they to the corner when you had this conversation? could anyone confirm what you talked about? and could they distinguish you or even tom from bob or jim, or gary, or frank, or joe, or any other person that was by the corner that day?

i could go on and on, but this is how you methodically find out the truth. if you believe something as a "truth", i would hope that you would come up with as many ways as possible to not believe before you actually did believe. you really shouldn't take anything face value....especially, 500 people who claim to have seen this or that when we're talking about absolute "truths" in this world.

^^ got you there.

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Originally Posted by cacayjunasian

are you sure it was tom, not bob or jim? are you positive it was yesterday and not the day before? what time was this meeting? what corner were you at? and what about these 500 people? since they all saw you, could you identify any of the 500 people? do they personally know you or tom? how close were they to the corner when you had this conversation? could anyone confirm what you talked about? and could they distinguish you or even tom from bob or jim, or gary, or frank, or joe, or any other person that was by the corner that day?

i could go on and on, but this is how you methodically find out the truth. if you believe something as a "truth", i would hope that you would come up with as many ways as possible to not believe before you actually did believe. you really shouldn't take anything face value....especially, 500 people who claim to have seen this or that when we're talking about absolute "truths" in this world.

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I was trying to make a SIMPLE stament, and your asking me how close
I was to the curb? oh come on now,are you argueing just to argue?
Iam telling you what I saw and witness, and there are 500 other people
who saw the same thing, how can you say I did not see what I saw if
you were not there. this is not to be taken out of contect!....

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

I was trying to make a SIMPLE stament, and your asking me how close
I was to the curb? oh come on now,are you argueing just to argue?
Iam telling you what I saw and witness, and there are 500 other people
who saw the same thing, how can you say I did not see what I saw if
you were not there. this is not to be taken out of contect!....

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because i was not there physically, i can't say what you saw...duh! my questions was to make a SIMPLE statement too. if you don't question your beliefs, how do you ever know the truth? oh, i forgot that your god disapproves that kind of behavior.

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Originally Posted by cacayjunasian

because i was not there physically, i can't say what you saw...duh! my questions was to make a SIMPLE statement too. if you don't question your beliefs, how do you ever know the truth? oh, i forgot that your god disapproves that kind of behavior.

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well I guess this thread can end here, for it has come full circle.
because you just answered this thread,by working so hard on not
beliveing. by and peace.:)

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

how can you say I dont know what truth is? if I say that I saw my freind
tom yesterday, at the corner and we talk, and 500 other people saw him
to, then who are you to say that I didnt? and what about the 500? are they
also not telling the truth? if you were not there then how would you know?

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Someone else posted this example but it's quite powerful...

If 500 people see water in the desert, does it make the sand taste any better?

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Someone else posted this example but it's quite powerful...

If 500 people see water in the desert, does it make the sand taste any better?

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If there is 500 people, you would be able to muster up enough urine to prevent dehydration for at least a bit of time. :p

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

well I guess this thread can end here, for it has come full circle.
because you just answered this thread,by working so hard on not
beliveing. by and peace.:)

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ummm...ok, whatever that means. i didn't know you posted a question in this thread. but then again, i wasn't there when you posted this thread and maybe 500 people saw you post a question. and you're probably right, you "believers" must know the "truth" without any scientific proof or even the slightest questioning of your beliefs.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

well I guess this thread can end here, for it has come full circle.
because you just answered this thread,by working so hard on not
beliveing. by and peace.:)

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FTR, I don't work hard on "not believing", it just comes naturally for me I guess :P

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

FTR, I don't work hard on "not believing", it just comes naturally for me I guess :P

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**... does his best Steve Perry impression....**

Dont stop believin

Hold on to that feeellin

Street light... peeeooppplllleeee

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Originally Posted by imitator

**... does his best Steve Perry impression....**

Dont stop believin

Hold on to that feeellin

Street light... peeeooppplllleeee

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lol.lol.

i feel .... out of the loop. Steve perry is.... who?

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

i feel .... out of the loop. Steve perry is.... who?

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Lead singer for Journey, rock band from the 70's and 80's. Im sure you have heard some of their songs before. Journey did a song called Dont Stop Believin, which is what I quoted above.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

If we have 3 people A, B and C, and 2 of them, A and B, have been told as children their multiplication tables without an explanation as to how they work. they're just given the table and expected to memorize it. There's a problem with this multiplication table tho, it states that 2x2=5. But since the children don't know how multiplication works, they use the multiplication table without giving a second thought as to whether it could be wrong. C comes along, who has actually learned how multiplication works, and tells them that 2x2=4, and can demonstrate why this is so over and over. B decides that, since he now knows how to multiply, he stops believing that 2x2=5. A takes what his teacher taught him as proof, and he is very rooted and grounded in "the truth".

Now, this story is NOT meant as a comparison of logic and belief, although it is a decent simplification of that as well. This story is meant to show that just because someone is very grounded in their beliefs, and believes it whole heartedly, it doesn't make them right. It also shows that someone can believe and then disbelieve, or "lose faith".

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not that I quote myself because I like the look of my own typing, but I recently came across a page that had a similar example to this one.

Fun stuff!

God has given us a miracle, the " holy Spirit". It is given to those that believe. And is used in those that do not believe, ( ever ask why i did that for?) When a person goes through the change taking on qualities of God, becomes Christ-like, " born again", We grow like the herb we all seem to enjoy
everyday, with care and guidance. I thank God daily for everything good or bad, for who am I to say, it's not for my benefeit. I Love God, My Lord Jesus, and the holy Spirit.. I agree its all in the bible, I pray more people read it before just repeating what another man says, Trust God.

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Originally Posted by reaper666

The reason we do this is because it's a logical challenge. We don't believe in God for whatever reason so we come up with these reasons so we can test our own belief that there is no God, just like you guys come up with reasons to convince people (and yourselves) there is a God. I mean anyone can believe what they want to but to me religion is like spreading an enormous hoax, and I don't like hoaxes so I think logically to figure out the truth. My thinking has led me to the belief that there is no God

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yet u have 666 in ur name um ok

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

not that I quote myself because I like the look of my own typing, but I recently came across a page that had a similar example to this one.

Fun stuff!

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could that example not go both ways?????

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

could that example not go both ways?????

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How so?

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

If we were to be honest, I think alot of people spend more time to
come up with ways on how they can not belive in god, then to those

of us who do belive, and know what the truth is.

this is not a statement to put anybody down, just somthing to roll
around in your Head.:)

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If I'm honest I think someone around here spends too much time worrying about what other people might or might not believe ;)