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Originally Posted by powair
If we don't have free will, then we're being controlled. It's one or the other.
Do you feel that you have free will?
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Originally Posted by powair
If we don't have free will, then we're being controlled. It's one or the other.
Do you feel that you have free will?
What we feel would not be anything that could determine if we actually have free will. It could be possible that what you felt at that moment was predestined, you were predestined to feel that you did have free will even though in actuallity, you didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
"A young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one imagination experiencing ourselves subjectively, that there is no such thing as death, and life is but a dream. Here's Tom with the weather." - Bill Hicks
God = electricity/light?
"Humans originally evolved from simple organic molecules containing carbon. Energy from the sun, lightning, and earth's heat triggered chemical reactions to produce small organic molecules from substances present in the atmosphere. These molecules were organized by chance into complex organic molecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids that are essential to life.
And proof of this comes from a famous experiment. two American scientists, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey, carried out an experiment in which they attempted to simulate early earth conditions according to evolutionists. They mixed water vapor with ammonia, methane, and hydrogen gases. They then sent an electric current that simulated lightning through the mixture. Then they cooled the mixture of gases, producing a liquid that simulated rain. After a week, they collected the liquid in a flask and analyzed the chemicals therein. They found that three amino acids (amino acids constitute the basic elements of proteins, which are the building blocks of living cells) were synthesized."
No idea who wrote that. ^
I studied the Miller-Urey experiment extensively in a microbiology class I took. The study is not conclusive, since they were not able to further synthesize macromolecules, but it is extremely compelling evidence (in my opinion) that life could arise spontaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiralOfDivinity
There are 4 steps (modern science's best guess):
1. Synthesis of Organic Compounds on Early Earth - conditions on early earth were likely extremely hot, anaerobic, and the atmosphere was probably exceedingly thick with water vapour and nitrogen- and sulfur-based compounds, along with carbon dioxide, methane, ammonia, hydrogen gas. It has been postulated that it was also a reducing (electron-adding) environment, in which compounds were easily formed and broken apart. Organic compounds (such as the amino acids produced in the Miller-Urey experiment, and nucleotide-like molecules) could have formed from simple molecules using energy from the sun and lightning. It is also possible that they formed near deep-sea vents, areas rich in inorganic molecules and heat.
2. Abiotic Synthesis of Polymers - Researchers have produced amino acid polymers by dripping solutions of amino acids onto hot clay or sand. The polymers formed spontaneously. These human-synthesized polymers are not exactly proteins, but the process shows us that polymers can indeed form spontaneously, without the help of enzymes or ribosomes.
3. Formation of Protobionts - "Life is defined partly by two properties; accurate replication and metabolism" (Campbell & Reece). Nucleic acids and their building blocks were probably not present in earth's very early life. Nucleic acids compose DNA and RNA, which are essential for life and replication. Self-replicating molecules and a metabolism-like source of the building blocks must have appeared at the same time. Protobionts could meet these conditions; protobionts are abiotic molecules surrounded by a membrane, capable of maintaining an internal chemistry different from that of the surrounding environment. They also exhibit simple reproduction and metabolism. A close example of a protobiont are the membrane-bound droplets of lipids (oil) when added to water (simplest example). Some of these liposomes store energy in the form of action potential across a membrane, and thus exhibit excitability.
4. The Dawn of RNA - RNA most likely came before DNA. Cech and Altman found that RNA carries out a number of enzyme-like catalytic (instigating) functions. Cech called RNA catalysts ribozymes, some of which are capable of making complementary, short copies of RNA. Others can remove segments of themselves (splicing). With the formation of such RNA molecules came the first natural selection. RNA can form a multitude of different shapes and sizes, and thus has a genotype (nucleotide sequence) and phenotype (physical characteristics). Certain RNA strands are therefore better suited to replicate than others, thereby evolution begins to occur as the best adapted are the ones reproducing. A protobiont that contained RNA would certainly have the advantage. Later, RNA provided the template for DNA, which caused an explosion of diversification.
congragulations you've stumbled upon the worlds most used argument
If that was true, and god is everywhere, then why do I need an outlet to plug my computer into?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiralOfDivinity
How does knowing something will happen equal causation?
I 'know' that more Americans will die in Iraq before we get out of there (statistically a certainty), but I am not the cause of their deaths. (Wish I was the 'Decider' for a day ;)
Each of us can watch people's behaviour and with time make certain predictions, God just does so with certainty due to perfect understanding.
Even so, this does not mean He 'predestined' us to be saved or damned, He just knows His children well enough to see what will happen (imho).
Note: This debate has been raging since before the Council of Nicea, so I know that reasonable people can have differing opinions.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by MajMike
But how can he "know" what we are going to do, unless its predestined.
You cant predict with certainty unless you already know the outcome. If you already know the outcome that means there is no other alternatives that could happen. If there is only one course of action for that one being in that one situation, then it had to have been predestined.
On the flip side, one could say that God(s) might know the general outcome of things, like the Iraq war example you mentioned, and that the paths leading up to those general outcomes are our own decisions. But even then, its a form of predestination, its just giving you a bit more of the illusion that you are in control.
I still don't see how that constitutes God forcing one to make a certain decision, He simply knows what choices we will make with that free will.
I do agree that reasonable people can differ on this, especially with the semantics used in descriptions.
I don't know if there is a god but I love the look on christians faces when you say "FUCK GOD!"
im prob gonna get quite the heat from this one but here goes.
this is my oppinion and i dont say anyone els is wrong or to step on anyones toes, you just do as i do belive what you want!
god(s) only eksists becouse folks dont have anything good in there lives to hang on to.
he was created as the laws are today to get a savege world siviliced
some one (the creators) are layin in there graves laughing, thinkin this was not suposed to have happend
we have what 8-10 diff religions and all of them are different from one another all the cults ect ect how can enyone freely belive in takin there own lives becouse some god suposed to have told em to and not in words but with signs!?
if nothing good ever happends you create your own truth of things, if no one listens to what you have to say you create someone who does, so what is god a super version of your old friend from daycare, invisible sam and no one but you could see him!???
if folks belived more in themselfs we diddent need religion the root of every war on earth.....egeomet amice - I AM MY OWN MASTER and i belive fully in my self and what im capeble of dont need no make belive guy and if i did i would have a imagination to create my very own LOL
(just so you know my parents are roman chatolic so i had the choise)
There's a driving force, that's for certain...I've felt it when I've been high, especially. However, I don't call that force "God" because I just tend to associate that with organized religion (which I believe is detrimental to each individual's own spiritual journey through life), so I usually refer to it as The Presence. Whoever says life is no accident is right; it's too amazing to be. The common idea of a "God" is too simple, though, I think. It's deeper; it's all around us; it's in us; we are it; it is nothing and everything, just like the universe. Which, now I think of it, I think it is.
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Originally Posted by imitator
The angel Kryon has indicated multiple possibly 100s of things about science that has come true after the fact. Kryon Book II pg 223. the question was raised what to do about radioactive waste, his responce "look to your biology" and in Kryon Book III pg 249 he says we will start to develop "bioremidation" using living organizmes to "eat" radioactive waste. these books were written in 1989 i believe.
In science news magazine over 10 years later there was an article ..heres a quote from it "..Exxon Corp. and DuPont are testing a variety of plants to see if they can do some of the dirty work of cleaning up such pollutants as radioactive material, lead, selenium, and oil. many plants, it turns out, have a taste for these stubborn contaminants"
Thats just one of..well alot..Kryon has been proven real multiple times and also has been invited to the United Nations many times. I dont like trying to prove sceptics wrong simply because I already know your wrong its just pointless work to me.
Now that a sceptic said it it must be true!
You guys are just clowns, you have been given a chance to discover truth and just throw it away like a piece of trash. It takes work, hard work..somthing which you know nothing of and you will get exactly what you diserve mark my words.
You do realize that your "proof" lies in a man who seriously claims that angels spoke to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
Amazing how so many people can scoff at religions such as mormanism, for the exact same things that are being used as solid logic later on.
Let us look at some of the other gems that this angel has given to the race of men...
We were altered by aliens 100,000 years ago. For those wondering what Pleiades and Pleiadeans are...Quote:
Human bodies were altered around 100,000 years ago with the assistance of an advanced race from the Pleiades This explains why there is only one kind of Human Being, an evolutionary trait that not echoed in any other form of life which has massive variety. Scientific American commented that about 100,000 years ago there were at least 17 kinds of Humans in development, but only one emerged.
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Pleiadeans (also spelled Pleiadian or Plejaran) is the name given to what are said to be a group of extraterrestrials and "multidimensional spirit beings" from the Pleiades star cluster in the constellation of Taurus), approximately 400 light years from planet Earth. Their home planet is said to be called Erra, and various descriptions of their appearance have been given by those whom claim have been in contact with them.
Far fetched at the very best if we are very gracious in granting tall tales to be accepted anywhere near fact.
So convienient... making sure that one doesnt have to deal with the pesky questions about the fate of mankind in the future. Also nice that they were able to tie up that loose end that some had about the world not ending back in 00.Quote:
The Armageddon prophesied for the end of the last millennium could indeed have happened, but humanity has collectively chosen not to self-destruct, and is now entering the next phase of physical and spiritual evolution, for which any prophecy and prediction becomes nearly impossible.
This one seems to be in conflict with the majority of christianity as far as I can tell. Dont recall the bible mentioning anything like that, would think something that big would be mentioned, considering we are so self centered to have assumed, through the church no less, that the sun revolved around the earth.Quote:
The Universe is teeming with life, although Earth and humans have a special purpose.
I could go on, but I see no point...
Also, to address what seems to be an overcommon arguement tactic that needs to stop...
Malarky. You do like it, hence why you are doing it. If it bothered you, or you truely didnt like "doing it", you wouldnt. There is no reason to. Unless of course what you are stating is untrue, and you do enjoy doing it.Quote:
I dont like trying to prove sceptics wrong simply because I already know your wrong its just pointless work to me
This tactic is used alot, to try to sway the people reading the conversation, by the use of 3rd party exclusion. You make yourself seem disinterested, and uninvolved or unwilling to be in the conversation taking place. After having done so, and trying to show that you have no interest, you interject with comments in regards to it, all while trying ot maintain the idea that you arent involved. People are more likely to believe, or take the time to digest what a 3rd party is saying in regards to a conversation taking place, due to them not having any supposed bias in regards.
But as we have shown, you did have an interest, you are biased in the arguement, and you even go so far as to flat out state that others are wrong. Personally, when using an arguement so full of holes and "angels speaking to men about aliens altering the human race", id rather avoid putting off that kind of vibe, as it incites people to try to call you on your claim.
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Originally Posted by PureEvil760
Real mature response by the way. Its obvious that you have no intention of actually having a conversation or discussion, you merely wish to repeat your point over and over again with your fingers in your ears.Quote:
"You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Grow up, learn how to have a conversation like an adult, and come back then. Until then there is no point speaking to you, you have no intention of actually listening.
I bet at this point right now you arent even reading what I say to see what I mean, but only to find a way to retort in some manner.
It could of been many things that caused the big bang, but you only have one answer. How does that weigh out. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by AtmanWalter
I believe in God and as for my thoughts on the big bang theory, its just that...a theory. Maybe God created the universe that way or maybe he did it with the snap of his fingers. My personal opinion is that we have to believe what we do by faith alone. And the only way to know would be to die, as I believe that it is to complex (or simple) that as a mortal it is impossible to comprehend.
boohoo..man Im alot more grown up than you. Nice job expressing your outright ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
..by that I mean I have had a more realistic life experience thus far, while you just live in a fantasy world where you are King. I bow to your magnifisance oh great one.
Thank you for proving my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
no problem, ill prove your foolishness anytime.
Its been a few years, how does it feel to be an ignorant teenager again? Still feel like you are on the top of the world? Like no one can fuck with you? That you are always right and the world is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
Yeah, I miss being that ignorant sometimes... was fun until the real world kicked in.
You really arn't getting to me..it seems like you think you are. 1st, no i dont feel like im at the top of the world, I'm suffering. 2, sure anyone can fuck with me if they have some brains, 3 haha i dont know whats right..but I do know whats wrong.
How come god is rather than is not?
you miss being somthing you are currently? how is that possible..its like I miss drinking water *takes sip of water
Everything has a negative and a positive state. For something to exist, it has to have the ability to not exist. Otherwise, what determines that the state it is in is existance and not non existance?Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
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Originally Posted by imitator
I have to say wow to the work you have done, to even try and start to follow his Tall Tell.
Very amusing.
Missed this in the initial response since you edited it in.Quote:
..by that I mean I have had a more realistic life experience thus far, while you just live in a fantasy world where you are King. I bow to your magnifisance oh great one.
See, this is where you got everything wrong. The only person trying to state that they KNOW how things are, is you. The only person telling others that they are wrong for their beliefs is YOU. The only person stating that their way is the only right way and anyone who doesnt see it that way are ignorant or worthless, is YOU.
Looking above, I think the problem so far, overwhelmingly, would have to be YOU. I know, I know, this is hard to believe considering you have experienced "enlightenment" and must be on a wavelength so beyond ours that our puny little brains cant comprehend it... but try this on for size.
Every person here has been able to back up or defend any viewpoint they have in some sort of intelligable manner. Except you. All you have been able to do thusfar has been state your viewpoint, and insult other people.
At this point in time, I dont even care if you are right or wrong, granted I didnt care much to begin with either. All I care about is slowly tearing apart your arguement until you stumble, which you will, and contradict yourself, at which point you will have zero credibility, if you had any to begin with.
Everyone here has given you plenty of chances to try to just explain what you are saying... be it because they didnt understand, or they wanted to understand, or they just wanted to hear a crazy story. You, time and time again, have refused to even begin to participate in a conversation with anyone about anything you say, and instead resort to school yard insults towards other peoples intelligence and life styles, while preporting superiority over us.
Im looking through some of the religious texts I have on hand at the moment. When I get back from getting baked with some friends, granted I remember, Ill go ahead and post the lines from your very own scripture that you so love to use in your defense, which flat out states that we shouldnt believe a word you say. And thats straight from the mouth of Jesus and God, according to you. So it has to be true.
I'm pretty sure that purevil is just mad that he knows hes wrong.
Actually I'm pretty sure he's not even aware of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by onequestion
I posted last here 2 posts above yours, how am I "running away"..I just choose not to answer questions that already have been answered. This board is funny because its like we are trying to proove somthing that we know is real, and you are trying to dissprove somthing that your not even sure about. I wish to flip the discussion from "is god real?" to "is ego real?" once the latter question is answered correctly the first question will be as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
I've chosen to fight 99% of the world, who have chosen darkness..but now I have realized that there is no point to fight fire with fire. Sure doing that will possibly cause confusion within a few people which is the general idea, but if I rise above the darkness for myself, I will be able to help all of you without you even consiously knowing about it. In choosing the light for myself I will have the ability to annihilate the ego of others, while continuing to weaken my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by onequestion
Sure I'm wrong, to everyone who is following everyone else. Society in general.
Big bang never happend.
God always just was.
People seem to need a begining and an end, what if there was neither?
If we were not aware of our existance would we exist? Something is going on here that no one has a clue about. All this god nonsense is stopping us from finding out what's REALLY going on.
You did'nt ask to prove God is real, you just ask were it came from and I just said it always was just here. If you want proof, meditate every day for at least 2-5 hours per day..truth will come eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gippie
For those who believe in God, always there will be facts that prove it.
For those who dont believe in God, always there will be facts that prove it also.
What is real for someone is what someone believes.
For a more detailed explanation, just click the link below:
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Originally Posted by Coelho
wow back up there wheres the proff/facts that god eksists???Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
there are only old scripts and shit so they dont proff anything!
(who is to know if all thats written are not just fiction)
the only things in life we can know for shure eksists,
are the things we can see and hold in our hands...
and thats the only proff we need.
as for the longer version you wrote in your link...the cupple that said they saw a pic of mary i a jelly sandwich....if they never heard the storie of
her in ther bible or saw picks of here maby they wold have seen spiderman lol
MARY WAS ONLY A WIRGIN IF YOU DONT COUNT ANAL
Ask those who believe in God... im sure they will give you a lot of reasons and facts that prove so.Quote:
Originally Posted by R-L-B BinGall Rec.
Well... its not a very safe way of thinking... nobody can see nor touch the radio waves, or the gravitational field, and yet they exist for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by R-L-B BinGall Rec.
Our senses are very very limited, and should be unwise to think that what we see, or hear, or percieve with our senses is all that exist...
Indeed! Thats one of my points there! Im glad that you did get it, and stated it in a far funnier way! :D :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by R-L-B BinGall Rec.
Man... i think you will get some heated responses...Quote:
Originally Posted by R-L-B BinGall Rec.