Jesus is against cannabis.

The answer to all our problems is both laughingly simple and numbingly complex, we must learn to truly 'love our neighbors as ourselves'.

We must learn to empathize with the ones we deal with each day, meticulously trying to be fair, honest and charitable with all men in all matters. Our 'me first' attitudes must go, both individually and nationally.

When we are mad, jealous, greedy, etc., we must step back and put ourselves in the shoes of our target, and act as we would wish to be treated.

It does sound laughingly simple doesn't it, but ancient grudges, modern economic and idealogical conflict, and human weakness render it deceptively and mind-numbingly complex (as we're seeing in Iraq).

Congratulations to all who strive every day to live this way, perhaps falling short sometimes but never ceasing to try. To those who haven't made it or even those who haven't even started, I leave you with the words of the immortal bard (Coolio :rastasmoke:):

"C U When You Get There"

There really is no debatable link between weed and religion, especially not interepretations of the bible done by 15 year old stoners. It is true that God didn't intend weed to be had by all, just to smoke up Jesus, his apostles and a dozen of his closest disciples.

It was actually the Christians who were able to get their hands on a couple hundred seeds and brought the power of marijuana to all. This, too, is the main reason Christianity swept through Europe in the Middle Ages and planting on different continents was the driving force for the missionaries to spread their word.

It's also the reason Christianity was founded in the first place, just one strong issue among a bunch of tiny ones that they didn't agree on with the Jewish people. The Christians knew they needed a little more to convince future generations that there were definitive differences between the two, so, in a moment of stoned confusion, a Christian representative said "Well how about we think of Jesus as the son of God, and the others, urr, think of.. wait, what was I talking about? Oh, prophets!"

And so it goes.

Did He tell you Himself?.
or was it hearsay'
the Living Jesus I know, in prayer and walking the walk.. My relationship includes smoking herb. I've asked for forgiveness if it's against His beliefs. But also prayed and thanked Him for this creative miracle herb that heals quite a bit of my illnesses. Thank-God and Praise His name for creating the seed.
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I'm afraid you're channeling the Incubush.

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Let's try and remember the rules are different in the Old Testament and in the New Testament.

Old Testament = Slavery + Hypocrisy = Jewish Testament (Not trying to be discriminative I have nothing against any Jewish peoples or their beliefs)


New Testament = Jesus preaching to be better humans = Christian Testament
This one is less concerned about doing petty bad things and their punishments, it's more on what you SHOULD do, Christian or not, religious or not, it's about how to be a good person and how to treat your fellow human beings with respect and honor, regardless of what you consume.


In my opinion the New Testament is a different more broader yet simpler way to describe what God really wants, which is that his "children" are good upstanding beings worthy of his blessings, consuming Cannabis or Alcohol or anything for that matter, as long as they don't hinder your ability to be a good person, is not considered sinful.

"All these sea and earth barring plant are here for you to use" :God

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Ahahaha, that's fucking awesome!

Rep for you!

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Erghh and I need it... I cant even give rep yet lol.

Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

:D CASE CLOSED :D

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wow, really got flamed to hell on that one..not gonna stop smoking it but it was from the book walking with the master by elizabeth clare

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Elizabeth Clare is NOT the messiah.

Whatever her opinion about cannabis, i could care less.

The herb is the key to a new understanding of the self, the universe and Jah.

'...and it was good'

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It's pure blasphemy. The bible clearly says that every green herb was given to us by god, and that god wants us to use them.
Jesus loves the herb.

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yea but it also says, to indulge to much in anything is bad and the use of anything to destort ur brain, is not good to do as u don't think as clear or fast as u need to. and i should say what that really means is i think it is ok to take these things, as for med use not to just go smoking to get high just to get high. but rather for med use as with alcohol or anything else not to abuse the fuck out of it just because u can!!

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Did He tell you Himself?.
or was it hearsay'
the Living Jesus I know, in prayer and walking the walk.. My relationship includes smoking herb. I've asked for forgiveness if it's against His beliefs. But also prayed and thanked Him for this creative miracle herb that heals quite a bit of my illnesses. Thank-God and Praise His name for creating the seed.
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everything on the earth is for us to use but not abuse thats that!

I made this picture in Photoshop for another thread, but hey, I figured it belongs here as well.

Oneironaut: "Could you teach me how to walk on water?"

I can teach you that. All it requires is a lake or stream or river and a cold winter. ;)

Lots of info out there!

Spiritual use of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Was Jesus a Stoner?: The Hempire - [cannabis, uk]

And then there's the Coptic Christians :rastasmoke:

Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church

And everyone knows about the Rastafarians! So I ain't gonna bother finding a site about their beliefs.

Come on, guys- back up your arguments! It looks to me as if the "every plant bearing seed" plus the above would indicate the possibility that Jesus was not only in favor of cannabis, but that he used it also! - Granny:hippy:

This is why I'm Buddhist.

And I'm Wiccan! But I'm also the granddaughter of a Congregationalist minister, who was a wise and gentle man. Only saw him angry once (at my Mom! :eek: )- and that's where the quote in my sig came from. And about our many beliefs (and the foolishness of disagreement among faiths)- I'll just quote an ancient Chinese saying.....

"There are many paths up the mountain. The view from the top is the same."

May we all journey up the mountain in peace and harmony! - Granny:hippy:

Just read my signature. It speaks for itself.

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Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.

That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.

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You're right, that's why I keep the sabbath.

But the entire levitical law is not in effect. Paul says that was a"shadow of the good things to come". When he's reffering to these things, it brings to light part of the old testament. You see, under the old law, there was two parts. There was the 10 commandments which was spoken directly from God to Israel, and later written on tablets. Then there was theb rest of the law which was given to Moses and then given to the rest of the Hebrews. The tablets that had the ten commandments written on them were kept inside the ark, but the rest of the law was placed directly on the outside of the ark on the side. This is an allegory referring to the heavenly things to come that were revealed and manifested through Christ, and the rest of the law which was to pass away with the coming of the new testament.

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This is why I'm Buddhist.

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Buddhist, eh? Isn't one of the Five Precepts of Buddhism to refrain from intoxicating substances? That's one of the main reason I'm not a Buddhist.

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Buddhist, eh? Isn't one of the Five Precepts of Buddhism to refrain from intoxicating substances? That's one of the main reason I'm not a Buddhist.

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The first Buddha was a prince who engaged in many many things that would be considered against the general practices of buddhism.

Here is a quote from wiki(yeah i know, dubious source) that best explains the rule, imo.

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According to the fifth precept of the Pancasila, Buddhists should refrain from intoxicants, which cause a loss of mindfulness. Most Buddhist schools have strongly discouraged the use of intoxicants or psychoactives of any kind, with minor exceptions. Priests in the Soto Zen tradition of Japan, for example, are allowed to consume alcohol.

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Im too baked and tired at the moment to go into much detail, so I hope that suffices. =)

Dies this page have a glitch in it or something? I can't go to page 5.

This is Page #5.

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isnt it hyppocritical for one on the path of zen to denounce activities of any sort, including, but not limited to, intoxication?

is not intoxication a vital step in the path toward zen?
is not zen the cecation to care about good and bad?
then if to denounce something or elate it is not to give it a pseudo sense of good or bad? rigetous or vile?


OR, am i jsut spouting crap? i, for one, would like to know...

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Dies this page have a glitch in it or something? I can't go to page 5.

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if you see that, I think it generally means a post from earlier has been deleted.

The fifth page gets emptied, but you can still see it in the navigation.

of course I could be totally off base :)

Jesus did use cannabis:

Source1: Did Jesus use cannabis? Sex, drugs, violence, and the Bible

Source 2: CC11: Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana

Source 3: Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited

Source 4: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis linked to Biblical healing

There are many sources that state there is an almost certain chance Jesus definately used cannabis.

There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

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There is no proof Jesus smoked pot, or was a "stoner". What nonsense. That authors book is like dan browns book, twisting history and making up stories to promote thier agena.

Even if Jesus did use cannabis, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make him a stoner or some hippy.

It's just crazy how people come up with these wild definitions for Hebrrew and Greek that don't even fit the context.

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But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

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There is, iirc, a decent span of time that is not recorded in regards to Jesus and his day to day life. Its possible he could have done pretty much anything during that time. Smoked, had sex, ran the worlds first McDonalds, who knows.

That being said, just because something is possible doesnt mean its probable. I cant say one way or another, since I wasnt there, but considering how harmless and widely used Pot is and was, I wouldnt be overly shocked to find out that jesus did smoke. Back then, it wasnt a big deal, and didnt have any kind of stigma that it has now.

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Yeah, but we are talking about what was being used in "miracles" and at ceremonies now. We aren't even talking about smoking marijuana, even though he could have. We are talking about the oils containing high levels cannabis used.

Jesus had to use cannabis or he's not christ. The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed". So if Jesus didn't use the oil, then he is not the anointed, therefore not christ. But he did use it and that is how he got his title. The kings used the holy annointing oil to become "possessed with the spirit of the lord." (As we know today: getting high lol)

I think we're all egotists to believe we know what the All-Mighty really wants from us but even more so, to deny that we do. Think on that!

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But there is proof that the holy annointing oil contained high levels of cannabis extract, in which the "ancient annointed ones were literally drenched" in the potent mixture.

No one said Jesus was a stoner or any of that sort. He used a plant though which aided him in healing people. Ex. epilepsy (back then aka "demonic possession") and skin diseases (leaves were used on wounds to assist the healing proccess).

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No there isn't proof! It's just like I said, you people will eat up garbage that is undocumented and coming from the fringe but you won't even consider the truth of scripture, which is far more credible.

This stuff really burns me up. Do you study the bible? Do you use a greek and hebrew concordance? Have you even cross examined this at all?

Here's what I have found, by studying and cross examination:

These "scholars" claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" --which is the Hebrew word for cannabis (hemp, or marijuana). Where did this supposed scholarly information come from? Well, Suspiciously, there are only a couple sources of this NEW information. There are a few different claims, but the most recent and biggest was allegedly from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1980. Even more suspicious is the ridiculous claim that a few people have found a NEW truth that theologians and translators have missed for thousands of years.

Allegedly, in 1903, A British physician Dr. Creighton was the first to determine that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Interestingly, no one can seem to document this claim. Then in 1936, an etymologist Sara Benetowa (of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw) allegedly discovered the connection between kaneh-bosem in the Old Testament, and the original Semitic Hebrew origins of the word cannabis. Again, where's the proof of these allegations?

First, are you going to believe a doctor and an etymologist over tens-of thousands of theologians and translators throughout history? Second, there are NO proofs of these claims. Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "Gay and Lesbian Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

It was thought until recently that cannabis was not mentioned in the Bible. Scholars have argued about the etymology of kinebosm (or, kannabosm) and related words, such as "qineh," which means hemp. Previously the word was translated as sugarcane (or calamus). All of a sudden, someone has found a new doctrine. This is a classic case of how uneducated, unthinking groups create their own mythology on the internet, by simply repeating each other's errors over and over again, until everyone in the group believes it to be true, because they see it everywhere they look. The trouble is, since they refuse to look OUTSIDE of their own little community, they never learn the truth, and just continue repeating the lies. This is exactly what happened here, without any doubt. Clearly, some stoner nut saw a word in some article somewhere, misinterpreting it grossly to mean that Jesus anointed people by dunking them in cannabis oil.

The connection between cannabis and Jesus is tenuous at best. It stems from the ingredients listed in Exodus 30:23 for Anointing Oil. (The NIV translation chooses the word 'fragrant cane'. The KJV calamus.)

Several sources have connected this supposed hallucinogenic with Jesus being the 'Christ' or 'Anointed' and finishing with Shamanism. This is a great example of junk scholarship based on etymological gymnastics enabled by moving from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English (and often back again.) It is a case of someone with an agenda reading imposing their will on the text.

Rabbi Diana Villa easily debunks this ( Schechter Institute of Jewish Studies - SIJS ) :

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Dear Rabbi,

What is the fragrant cane (qaneh besem, kaneh bosm, kineboisin, etc) mentioned in Exodus 30:23? I understand that calamus was a mistranslation. Is it the lemon grass that I've been reading about or is it cannabis? Finally, were there prohibitionist laws against cannabis in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus?

Respectfully,

Gene

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Dear Gene,

Yehudah Felix has written three books in Hebrew that relate to your questions: Biblical Vegetation published in 1957, Nature in the Biblical land, published in 1992, and Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, published in 1997. "Kinamon" or "kinman bosem" is definitely cinnamon. It was originally used for perfume and incense and only began to be used as a spice in the Middle Ages. The tree it comes from is the cinnamonum zeylanium, which can be found in India or China. Felix, in Biblical Vegetation, writes that the Biblical kind was from China. In Spice, Forest and Ornament Plants, he says it's the Indian kind. In any case it is cinnamon. Kneh Bosem is an expensive fragrance imported from far away lands. It's apparently a tropical kind of plant. In Nature in the Biblical land, Felix writes that Kneh Bosem might come from East Africa. Other possibilities are:

1) Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, found near the Sea of Galilee;
2) Cymbopogon Martini, found in India;
3) Kalamos eodes, found near the Sea of Galilee;
4) Acorus calamus, but the reeds are not hollow as a kaneh should be;
5) Andropogon nardus, a fragant reed from India.

In all my research, I found no reference whatsoever to cannabis, and I don't know whether it existed in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus and whether there were prohibitionist laws.

Sincerely,

Rabbi Diana Villa

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Even if the Bible was referring to "cannabis," rather than "calamus" (which it is not), it doesn't matter because calamus was used as an added ingredient, not as a product by itself. Exodus 30:22-25 states...

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"Moreover The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil."

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As plainly described, the Biblical refers to "calamus" as a mere ingredient in the holy anointing oil, used only for anointing articles of the tabernacle and the priests. Holy oil was not to be used for anything, or anyone, else -- anyone who did was cut off from Israel.

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Calamus, Acorus calamus

"This ancient herb is mentioned in the Bible and is chewed by the Natives of Northeastern Canada on a daily basis. It is also used in ayurvedic medicine for canceling out the negative effects of consistent marijuana smoking. This makes it an especially good smoke for those who are quitting long term marijuana use. In small doses it is a stimulant. In large internal doses it is hallucinogenic. It's main ingredient (TMA) is more psychoactive by weight than mescaline. However, smoking it will not cause psychic pyrotechnics. It appears to provide a relaxed, pleasant, mild psychotropic effect very different from Marijuana. It is very unlike calming herbs used to quit Marijuana because it will make your head cloudy."

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The English word "calamus," was derived from the Latin word for "cane," and is used to translate the Hebrew word "qaneh" (pronounced "Kaw-neh"). Calamus is mentioned in the Scriptures as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by the Levite priests in the Old Testament. Calamus is also often translated as "sweet cane," "sweet flag," or "fragrant cane." Probably indigenous to India, Acorus calamus is now found across Europe, in southern Russia, northern Asia Minor, southern Siberia, China, Japan, Burma, Sri Lanka, and northern USA. It refers to a plant originally found in India which was dried and used in precious perfumes. It was traded in markets widely through the Middle East, as the Lord even mentions Himself...

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"Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil." -Exodus 30:22-25

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Carefully notice that God is giving Moses a formula for making holy anointing oil and; NOT, a herbal formula for Moses to get high on. Even the word "sweet" indicates that the Bible is referring to calamus (often called "sweet cane") and; NOT, cannabis, which is not sweet.

I have no problem with Jesus using cannabis. I do have a problem when people spread unverified rumors about the bible. At least cross analize.

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I have no problem with Jesus using cannabis. I do have a problem when people spread unverified rumors about the bible. At least cross analize.

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Well, sir I would like you too show me proof for every story in the bible, to me the bible is the BIGGEST unverified rumor of all time, and many people have fallen victim to it.

Oh yeah, and if Jesus never used cannabis, then he was never the Christ, just a carpenter.

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Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "Gay and Lesbian Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

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I am not sure how to take this.

I think Ill just ask you to clarify what you meant with this instead of jumping to any conclusions.

I don't think the bible ever stated any bias against cannabis, but even if it does, who cares? It's not like there's any proof that the bible holds any truth in reality anyway (not trying to start an argument).

Imitator

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Third, The Hebrew University in Jerusalem is pro-homosexual.They even have the Hebrew University "*** and *** Student Union." This automatically should cause suspicion.

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I am not sure how to take this.

I think Ill just ask you to clarify what you meant with this instead of jumping to any conclusions.

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Well the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, and anyone who "interperets" the bible to come to such a great doctrinal error should immediately cause immense suspicion as to whether they come to the right conclusion about something even harder to discern such as this.

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Well the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, and anyone who "interperets" the bible to come to such a great doctrinal error should immediately cause immense suspicion as to whether they come to the right conclusion about something even harder to discern such as this.

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And how can anyone agree that homosexuality is wrong on a moral level? No one, only with religion. Anyone that claims this and thinks that they have, or embrace, better morals is beyond my help.

Calamus is a common marsh plant. In ezekial God becomes angry when they didn't bring him any "exotic calamus from distant lands." Cannabis was grown distant from the tabernacle (most likely) during this time. Saying that calamus was the correct translation of kaneh-bosm when translating from Hebrew to Greek (the words differ by an accent mark, easy mistake) would have rendered Gods' complaint ridiculous. "Though has not broughten me any common marsh plant from distant lands." (After this episode the tents were filled with smoke).

unless you know jesus personaly than dont say your oppinion of his oppinion

captain hanks:

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Calamus is a common marsh plant. In ezekial God becomes angry when they didn't bring him any "exotic calamus from distant lands." Cannabis was grown distant from the tabernacle (most likely) during this time. Saying that calamus was the correct translation of kaneh-bosm when translating from Hebrew to Greek (the words differ by an accent mark, easy mistake) would have rendered Gods' complaint ridiculous. "Though has not broughten me any common marsh plant from distant lands." (After this episode the tents were filled with smoke).

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Here is the passage from Ezekiel. This is the only mention of calamus in ezekiel. It is part of a prophecy directed towards Tyre. There is no mention of God getting angry because they couldn't find calamus. There is no proof to support whether calamus was grown near the tabernacle. There is no mention of the tent being filled with smoke. (let alone smoke of marijauna). There was incense used by the preists, but there is no proof whatsoever that it was marijuana or that it even hints toward it.)

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ezekiel 27

17Judah, and the land of Israel, they were thy merchants: they traded in thy market wheat of Minnith, and Pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.

18Damascus was thy merchant in the multitude of the wares of thy making, for the multitude of all riches; in the wine of Helbon, and white wool.

19Dan also and Javan going to and fro occupied in thy fairs: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were in thy market.

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The micture they used with calamus was not for anything other than anointing the preists and items in the temple. That's it. If anyone else used it, they would be cut off from Israel as I pointed out before.

Also remember that the same word used for calamus is used several times as "reed" or "water plant", several times. cannabis is not a water plant, it's not a reed.

clearly the man was a mystical hippie... long hair... beard... usually happy most of the time chilled out and performed "magic" sounds like he rocked the ganja to me... anyone disagree?:D
me being a jackass aside the bible says "And God said, ...to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:29-31"

And for the record books I am not a Christian and don't believe in "God" as the bible states "he" is although i believe in a greater power nor do i know if i believe there is any validity in the book of Genesis. that is to settle the argument of anyone debating weather God thinks cannabis is "sinfull" we arnt smoking the tree of knowledge here...

Good Point!

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