Speaking as a Brit, we are always in America's debt for helping us in two world wars, whatever their reasons. Alot of young men from all countries died in mud and shit to save our freedom.
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Speaking as a Brit, we are always in America's debt for helping us in two world wars, whatever their reasons. Alot of young men from all countries died in mud and shit to save our freedom.
We weren't lossing in the Pacific theater. We were winning slowly, but the cost of life on both sides was terrible. The atomic bombs were a great and horrible way to end the war in the Pacific. They took many lives, but saved much more of our guys in the end. I bet you didn't know that all the Purple Hearts that were given in all American conflicts since WW2 are surplus medals made in preperation of the invasion of the Japanese mainland. The casualties we were estimated to take were over a million 1,000,000. Lossing any life is horrible, but it seems like you are saying that we should've continued the war and caused even more death rather than ending it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
That's all war is though. It is just a big accumulation of evil :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
yes america did most of there fighting over in japan
wasnt fighting in japan,,,few islands close to it is about it.
until they were losing ( you sadly mistaken)
and cudnt handle the japenese ( man thats moronic)
so they bombed millions of innocent people
it was the only way to break that society from world domination
just so they could save there own lives
YOU DAM RIGHT THERE,SAVE USA SOLDIERS CLEANING A MESS UP
instead of invading japan.
and ya think invading would have saved who,oh yea the enemy
well
wtf?
losing
invading
save yourself?
if america was losing then they would of been no invasion
it came down to who was to die,them who support a warrior society
or those BRAVE souls who would hit the beach to stop them
its right and wrong at war
japan needed its as kicked and it got the worst asskicking ever givin to any nation it got the bomb
it took two of them to convince them that the usa would kill every citezen of that nation if it didnt lay down its weapons,
i dont see where america should of donated lives to that mess as you seem to be saying.
when it can in fact end it with a couple bombs instead of a few thousand 20 yr old farm boys lives
so for my great uncle who was killed in the solomons
fuck you for saving that
he died on a ship hit by kammkazzi's
so
now we can toke and act like this never happened.?like you never insulted my nations honor when it in fact STOPPED THE WORST GENOCIDE EVER SEEN
smoke on
first of all im sorry your uncle died in the solomans. so your saying that you STOPPED the greatest genocide ever by creating the biggest genocide ever? i dont understand that at all. if i was so moronic as to say that you were losing to the japenese why do you go on to say that the only choice you had other than invading was to bomb them then? you say you ended it with a few bombs other than a few thousand 20 year old farm boys lives. well a few thousand isnt as much as a few million (i think it was around that many i dont know) personally i think bombing them was taking the easy way out. anyone can do that. americans are always boasting about there superior army so why didnt you invade them and prove it? i think the japs would've won if you would have invaded because they would've never given up. i think you saw this and thats why you annialated them. just my opinion take it as you see fit. looking forward to ur reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
Yes it is obvious you don't know. The death toll for the two atomic bombs was around 340,000 including the deaths from radiological effects years later. The estimated causalties for the invasion of mainland Japan was 1 million and this is just American casualties, many more Japanese would have died also. I guess it's okay to sacrifice people as long as they are farm boys huh? We kicked the Japanese military's ass all the way across the Pacific, but you would have us waste more lives to "prove" that we have a better military. There is not easy way out in war idiot, just ways to lessen the loss of life. Look at the numbers and do some research before you post such ridiculous shit. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
good to see you didnt stoop to a low level of name calling... i regret posting in this thread. i don't know what your talking about with the farmboys i didnt say that it was ok to kill them. i personally think that it was unjustifiable to drop the atomic bombs. here are some reasons why i think that :Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
Japan was ready to call it quits anyway. More than 60 of its cities had been destroyed by conventional bombing, the home islands were being blockaded by the American Navy, and the Soviet Union entered the war by attacking Japanese troops in Manchuria.
American refusal to modify its "unconditional surrender" demand to allow the Japanese to keep their emperor needlessly prolonged Japan's resistance.
A demonstration explosion over Tokyo harbor would have convinced Japan's leaders to quit without killing many people.
Even if Hiroshima was necessary, the U.S. did not give enough time for word to filter out of its devastation before bombing Nagasaki.
The bomb was used partly to justify the $2 billion spent on its development.
The two cities were of limited military value. Civilians outnumbered troops in Hiroshima five or six to one.
Japanese lives were sacrificed simply for power politics between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
Conventional firebombing would have caused as much significant damage without making the U.S. the first nation to use nuclear weapons
Anyway id like to see you reply with a bit more class next time instead of trying to belittle me. There is a thing called constructive critisizim, try using that instead of just being an asshole.
You are right, the Japanese never give up, for them to surrender was the ultimate dishonor. The Japanese were known for fighting to the death. Why would you possibly want to invade a country where the people see their leader as a living god and fight to the death? Why would you want to send your boys into that situation? In your last post you state that they were ready to give up. They were not ready to give up just beaten back into a corner and that corner was the Japanese mainland. I don't think there should have been a conditional surrender for a country that attacked us, showed zero mercy, and committed mass attrocities against humanity. Do you think it would've been okay if Germany surrendered and Hitler stayed in power? The bomb is always a tough topic, but I believe it's use was justified. Loss of life is always terrible, but this was a terrible war and we had to end it. It is a tough call to decide to end thousands of lives, but in a war our side comes first, and that's what we did, we looked out for our boys by not sending them into a meat grinder. We had been bombing Japan non-stop, but it was a costly mission for our pilots. I will agree with you on these posts though:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
A demonstration explosion over Tokyo harbor would have convinced Japan's leaders to quit without killing many people.
Even if Hiroshima was necessary, the U.S. did not give enough time for word to filter out of its devastation before bombing Nagasaki.
The bomb was used partly to justify the $2 billion spent on its development.
The two cities were of limited military value. Civilians outnumbered troops in Hiroshima five or six to one.
Japanese lives were sacrificed simply for power politics between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.
What set me off about your other post is that you seem to justify that more American lives should have been sacrificed. War isn't about weighing the casualties on both sides and trying to balance them out. It's about winning and lessening the loss on your side. If that means killing thousands, that is what is going to happen. Is war terrible? Of course it is. Did the bomb save American lives by ending the war? Most definately.
i guess we can agree to disagree on the justification of the bombing. im done with this thread.
If there is one thing Americans aren't afraid of, it's a real fight. Look at people like Torog, just sitting there wishing he could die gloriously in battle after saving his platoon. Americans have some sort of superhero mentality Saying that Americans are a bunch of aggressive, bloodthirsty warmongers, waiting for a reason to kill, but are afraid of battle doesn't really make sense, does it?
Donahue Pilot Officer A G American 64 KilledQuote:
till no Americans. WOW I found one , Haviland Pilot Officer J K American 151 , better than none I suppose
Fiske Pilot Officer W M L American 601 Killed*
Haviland Pilot Officer J K American 151
Keough Pilot Officer V C American 609 Killed
Leckrone Pilot Officer P H American 616 Killed
Mamedoff Pilot Officer A American 609 Died
Tobin Pilot Officer E Q American 609 Killed
As for not fighting battles in Europe, the Battle of the Bulge seems like a real fight to me...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_bulge
I believe that Patton was very helpful to the Allies in Europe, do you disagree?
That doesn??t mean it wasn??t needed. How exactly did the U.S. government profit from the lend lease? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend_leaseQuote:
As for the supply of weapons , the US were interested only in making money out of any deals , they didn't do it out of kindness or as an act of support to an ally in times of war. They wanted their pound of flesh , as I said the US is only interested in helping itself.
The Marshall plan wasn??t making the gov??t any money, it was an act of kindness. I am not 100% certain about the government not profiting from the Marshall plan, but I am pretty sure. If you know different, please inform me.
Were we on the topic of India? No, we weren??t asshole. Did I ever say I liked the Indian government? Not mentioning India in a discussion about the U.S. and the Iraq war doesn't mean I'm a fan of India you fucking twit.Quote:
and do you really think INDIA is going to be a countries with liberties? hah..i laugh at you, especially becuase you hate the USA becuase of the war in IRAQ, but you faild to not be a hypocrite and hate INDIA over the war in kashmere, or were you to uninformed to make that connection.
Obviously everyone doesn't think like you, how strange. Iraqi youths are rallying against America at an alarming rate, that tells me that they did not want America to ??liberate?? them. People in other parts of the world don't think like you do. I don't mean that they are pro being tortured or pro extreme censorship, I mean that they have a different way of thinking about how they want to live their lives (like Islamic extremists). I comment more about Americans slaughtering civilians because Americans like you say that we went over there to stop the murdering in Iraq. You should stop acting like the coalition kills no children or innocent citizens.Quote:
in the eyes of me, and probally any other person with a grip on reality, you look like a selfish sonofabitch, taking our freedoms for granted, if we were in an opressed country, with a tyrant leader, killing citizens left and right, at will, raping women, living in a constant sense of fear that you may be next, would you want a country to come in and give their OWN LIVES to save you from your hell?
"They Harbor terrorists"Quote:
but we had no right to go in there...right?
WRONG
we had all the right in the world to go in there
they harbor terrorists
they kill innocent citizens, one reason you hate america, but when iraq kills them by the dosens is ok isnt it? because they arent a WESTERN country..
we had a very good idea that there was a possibility of WOMD, we were wrong, but i guess saving the lives of millions of iraquis are no consolation...
...and this information came from the same fucking geniuses in the White House who told you that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Guess what, by ??protecting our selves from the terrorists in Iraq? (which there were very few of) we have created hundreds of thousands more terrorists. Big brother in the white house may have told you that there were terrorists in Iraq, but maybe you were to ignorant to realize that there were way more terrorists in Israel, Iran, Pakistan, Burma, Brazil, Russia, Albania, Saudi Arabia, Columbia, Kashmir, Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Syria, and many more countries. Many other countries harbor, and Syria even trains, terrorists.
Let??s attack them.
??They kill innocents?
No shit? So does North Korea, China, Burma, The U.S. (on a slightly smaller scale), and A LOT of other countries. Why don??t we attack all of them (except for us, of course, because we can kill who ever we want and it??s not bad, right?) North Korea is worse than Iraq was (in terms of civil rights violations and executions), and still is, and the threat of nuclear weapons, which most countries suspect Kim Jung-Il has or is pursuing (more reason to suspect than we had about Iraq??s possible possession of chemical weapons, which we now confirmed was incorrect, asshole.) is more dangerous than the threat of chemical weapons, North Korea expelled weapons inspectors, North Korea has shown military aggression like that of Iraq??s and has a significantly more powerful military, why not attack North Korea instead of Iraq? Maybe it was because North Korea doesn??t have such large oil reserves, maybe because it wouldn??t be finishing Bush senior??s old disputes...
In China, there are HUGE numbers of annual executions, many more than the Chinese government confesses to in official reports, and that is common knowledge. There are more than 10 times as many people suffering in China as are/were suffering in Iraq. China has shown aggression such as Iraq??s, and has nuclear weapons...why not attack China if you are so into ??liberating?? people? U.S. corporations (that means George??s rich buddies) make huge amounts of money off of Chinese prison labor and sweat shops, maybe you were to uninformed to make that connection.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/bush_trp.htm http://www.perspicacityonline.com/Ar...ights10302.htm
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/hr_facts.html
http://www.amnesty.ca/china/
As for who is profiting from the Iraq war: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11462
http://www.prwatch.org/node/2793
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6975
and there are significantly more profiteers ( including ` Michael Moore)
Iraqi citizens are still dying and suffering. The U.S. media doesn??t keep specific track of Iraqi casualties, incase you wanted to know...
Oh yea, and just incase you didn??t know, I am American. I don??t hate every United States citizen (which would include myself) because of the war in Iraq I hate the government, and the people who try to justify the war in Iraq because they are the reason we are in Iraq. I ALSO hate the British government, and Tony Blair for being Bush??s little bitch. I think some of you U.K. asses should stop talking about how we are so horrible for starting this war, when you are our biggest ally in the war. Torog, and all of you hick assholes should stop calling Europeans retarded 8th grade insults like ??Euroweenies? and talking shit about how ??prissy? you think the Brits are. Do you want them to stop helping us? When John Kerry said this war was unilateral you immediately starting spouting your shit about how he is insulting our allies, then you went and did the same thing. You talk about how you are being sympathetic and care about the Iraqis and how you ??liberated them to stop their suffering because you care about your fellow man? and then you call them stupid racist, bullshit insults like ??dunecoons, camel jockey, sandniggers.? Not to mention that Great Britain doesn??t exactly have a clean past.
As for your comments on pacifism, I am not pacifist. I am on probation for possession and assault/battery. I do believe unnecessary wars are not a good thing, that war should not be used to profit one or a handful of individuals that are not doing the fighting, or to make some megalomaniac asshole feel big and strong. But there are some people who would have strongly disagreed with you on pacifism only being good in theory or war being something declared so quickly and easily.
??What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy??
- Gandhi
??Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.?
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
??Surely a civilization that can develop supercomputers and send men safely to the moon and bring them back is smart enough to cease the killing of its own kind and the destruction of the accomplishments of previous generations. The only thing necessary is for the present mindset of people to change??all else will follow.?
-James M. Carroll
??Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent?
- Issac Asimov
As for Nowhere Man:The worst genocide ever seen I think would have to be the Soviet Gulag, and we did not stop that.Quote:
like you never insulted my nations honor when it in fact STOPPED THE WORST GENOCIDE EVER SEEN
Answer yes or no.
Have you come out of the closet yet? :D
Howdy Sedator18,
You said: "Torog, and all of you hick assholes should stop calling Europeans retarded 8th grade insults like ??Euroweenies? and talking shit about how ??prissy? you think the Brits are. "
Hmm..well..according to you-I'm just a "hick asshole"..you think that I'm so stupid-that I can barely tie my shoe-laces..much less ,stop using 8th grade insults.
I don't think,that all Brits are prissy..just the ones equivalent to the Left-wing in this country..I don't know exactly,what party the anti-wars belong to in Britain..but they are prissy cowards who'd rather surrender to the terrorists and beg for mercy and convert to Islam.
On the other hand,those Brits who are supporting the war on terror,are smart enough to realize,that the terrorists must be stopped and the countries that support,train and export terrorists. The British soldier,is among the best fighting forces in the world..they are tough as nails and brave as all git out,I admire and respect,the British soldiers and the Brits who support them.
I really shouldn't use the term 'euroweenies',that's a bit too broad of a label,but for the most part,it is fitting for those who would rather surrender to the terrorists and appease them,even going so far as to convert to Islam..to escape the brutal slaughter of infidels,planned by terrorists and muslims, world-wide.
Chirac,of France,refuses to label hizbollah a terrorist organization..he's a great example of a euroweenie..he'd rather do business with terrorists and the countries that train them,than stand up to them.
Another thing is,is that most of those who are against fighting terrorism,don't know much,if anything,about strategy or tactics,involved with war-fare..it was a great,strategic solution,to knock down saddam and sons,leaving the US in a position to carry out operations in a centrally placed location,in the middle-east. Oil,is a strategic asset,of industrialized nations,saddam and sons,were using the oil-for-food money,for everything but..they were also using that money for further expansion of military assets,all geared towards another attack on Iraq's neighbors..the ultimate goal,being the destruction of Israel.
-laughs-
I've never seen nor heard of someone converting to islam for fear of terrorist attack in Britain. Torog, have you honestly? Because I really think you're lying/exaggerating to prove a non-existant point.
Thats his style. Then everybody else who wont support the war is instead a 'liberal jihad supported'. What the hell kind of logic is that? I mean seeing as how a jihad is a war, and how he thinks we should go and convert everybody to christianity...after we bomb them.
Oh, THERE IS NO LOGIC IN THAT.
Howdy Encatuse,Quote:
Originally Posted by Encatuse
You could be right..instead of converting out of fear,I can certainly imagine conversion out of admiration and adulation,for the jihad,by anti-wars and those who hate America. The fear,surprise and shock,will come later..when you wake up and find that muslims have more rights than British citizens.
Make no mistake..fundy muslims would just as soon cut yore infidel throat--as they would look at you..if you've ever spent any time with fundy muslims,like I have,you'd understand what I'm talking about.
Howdy Nullific,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
In every country in the world,the muslim horde grows larger and stronger..now is the time to stand against the jihad..either you're for civilization..or you're for the jihad to destroy it and replace it with a fundy islamic world regime.
I don't think anyone should be converted to Christianity,except by choice..and I only want to bomb those who are attacking America and Her allies. Now if we are talking about bombing brutal dictators and converting folks to the democratic process..I support that.
Have a good one...
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
- Attributed to General George Patton Jr :D
Here's a toke for Patton!
i like that!how true!
Howdy Torog,
Now you're talking about mass muslim converting conspiracies, first off christianity still seems to be the majority while islam is a more recent religion. Judaism came before Christianity and it took time for Christianity to gain popularity and become more popular. Now we have Islam as the most recent, is it not entirely possible that it is the new trend in religion and is gaining popularity just as christianity did in the past? How did most people become Christian in the first place? They were forced. Here we have history repeating.
Of course both parties are going to feel threatened by each other and call each other violent jihad supporters when in the end they both are. If you call any modern society 'civilized' I laugh at you.
That is all mainstream religion really is, a trend, and I don't like any of them.
I don't feel threatened by muslims, I know a few and they are as decent as any christian. Just because more people are becomming muslims does not mean there is some huge jihad oh my jesus lord and savior help us going on. You can call them violent, sexist and intolerent all you want but Christians are just as bad.
In fact I don't feel threatened by muslims in the least bit, I feel more threatened by Bush and his wars and his trying to turn America into a theocracy and his PATRIOT Act and his "there ought to be limits to freedom" and undeniable rigging of the first election and taking advantage of september 11th. (Oh im sure it was a big coincidence though)
How much support did Bush have before these terrorist attacks?
Until he told us all there were terrorists and weapons of mass destruction and that we were either with him or against him...He took advantage of a national tragedy, he gave us an enemy. If you don't believe this it is completely understandable, im sure nobody believed Hitler was that evil. Do you think anybody knew that is was actually the Nazis who set fire to the Reichstag? No, Hitler blamed it on the communists and the people for the most part believed him. Germany was considered very 'civilized' and yet Hitler succeeded in Kistallnacht and his persecution of the Jews because he dehumanized them and made them the enemy. Do you think he went about that in a way that made it obvious this was a horrible thing? No, the people were blind because Hitler and the Nazis gave them an enemy and of course they too said you could either be with them or against them. If not, concentration camp for you.
So Torog, terrorists and muslims are the Bush administrations scapegoat, he says with passion that they are attacking us and takes it to the extreme calling all others unpatriotic and saying we are either with him or against him so he can do what he wants. Then he makes us feel all warm and fuzzy by saying we're helping these people and spreading democracy.
What about that genocide of the Rwandans in 1994? You know the one that left 800,000 of them dead. Maybe you don't, Americans pretended it wasn't happening and im sure the news then was just flooded with bullshit about the top actor and musician scandles too.
Fact is Americans don't give a rats ass about anything unless it could benefit them.
Don't worry, I don't just hate Bush...I hate most politicians, they all suck right and left and cannot be trusted. People are putting too much trust in Bush and his administration. History repeats itself, even in our modern technological world.
Nullific, you could make 2000 points, or you could just make 1 that tears apart his entire argument. It doesn't really matter with Torog.
Not saying that's a bad thing. He has a right to his 'opinion'.
((even if it's wrong.. -laughs-))
I've never seen Torog's opinion sway once that I can think of. And I've seen him in alot of opinion-based arguments. As I'm sure you have.
Howdy Nullific,
Those who called themselves Christian in the past,were engaged in some forced conversion,but that was a couple of hundred years ago..Christianity today,is a source of good will and voluntary acceptance of Jesus Christ,as one's Lord and Saviour.
Today,Islam is the source of terrorism,brutality,slavery,torture,murder,forced conversion and violent conflict..it's the Christians who are being slaughtered with extreme prejudice,and the western world,is acting in defense of it's self..not on a Christian crusade against Islam,as your liberal masters and propagandists,would have you believe.
It's a simple choice..either you desire to live under 7th century Islam,or you will act in defense of modern civilization. Which is it ?
Howdy Encatuse,Quote:
Originally Posted by Encatuse
Is that a compliment ? lol I can change my opinion-for instance,the Christian woman who treated the gay gals so badly on Wife Swap..I didn't see any call for that kind of behaviour..and in fact,found it to be reprehensible and without merit or cause.
I was raised to be a man about what I stand for,and to be man enough to admit when I'm wrong..which I will not hesitate to do so again,if I'm found to be wrong. For instance,there's a list in my head,of things that Bush is doing or planning on doing,that I don't approve of..but I will not reveal that list-if it degrades the will of the American people to fight terrorism and the countries that support,train and export them.
The Left-wing is intent on destroying the will and resolve,of Americans defending democracy and freedom..I will not aid and abett that..nor will I change my opinion on the war on terror..as it must be fought..the gauntlet has been thrown down,by muslim jihadists..they started this fight..and America,is going to finish it-whether you like it or not.
Have a good one....
I think those were two sentences that shouldn't be so close to eachother for fear of an oxymoron!Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
"We christians spread good will! I, as a christian, follow Jesus on his path of PEACE. Now let's go KILL muslims for personal gain!"
You can hear your hatred for muslims in your typing. You ALWAYS have something negative to say about either muslims or liberals. And you always bring up how christian you are as well. I've only got 10 or so years of practicing christianity behind me.. Probably nothing compared to you. But, I thought christianity was about love and turning the other cheek? Sounds like you need to rid yourself of the entire new testament, or maybe read it again.
But, as to the sticking to your opinion. I'd say it's somewhat of a compliment. I'm stubborn in my opinions as well.
Do you not get it?Quote:
Those who called themselves Christian in the past,were engaged in some forced conversion,but that was a couple of hundred years ago..Christianity today,is a source of good will and voluntary acceptance of Jesus Christ,as one's Lord and Saviour.
Today,Islam is the source of terrorism,brutality,slavery,torture,murder,forced conversion and violent conflict..it's the Christians who are being slaughtered with extreme prejudice,and the western world,is acting in defense of it's self..not on a Christian crusade against Islam,as your liberal masters and propagandists,would have you believe.
It's a simple choice..either you desire to live under 7th century Islam,or you will act in defense of modern civilization. Which is it?
This is a fantastic example of history repeating in our modern 'civilized' world.
No one ever said all christians were bad in the past, but there were some with ulterior motives who had power and used religion as an excuse for control. Those are the ones who called upon the crusades and forced people to convert.
Now we have a newer religion that has authoritive figures with power who can use the religion for control. This certainly does not mean all muslims are evil or part of this plot to convert everyone to Islam. It is Islams turn, so to speak, to convert people with violence. Most organized religions of the past including the still practiced christianity have done this, the religion will gain popularity until people come to their senses and then in another few thousand years a new religion will emerge and history will repeat again.
Engaging in war with countries with high muslim populations is only feeding to the problem. Do you have any idea how many times America and the Jesus defender has pissed the middle east off?
You think giving them food and half assed aid is going to help settle their negative emotions towards America?
Say this is going on and all the muslims are in a plot to conver the world with violence, what are you going to do to stop them? Bomb them and kill them? What kind of logic is that?
Howdy Nullific,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
Yup..I git it..history is indeed repeating it's self..once again..we must stop the muslim horde from rising up and dragging us all back to the 7th century..the koran,demands that the world be turned into an islamic state..kinda like the commie's manefesto,which demands the world be a communist state.
Since 9/11,I don't give a damn-how many muslims we piss off-if those muslims want America to be destroyed,and therefore,democracy and freedom,and if they refuse to acknowledge Israel's Statehood..then they can all kiss my big red,hairy,pimpled,redneck butt !
Since we toppled saddam and sons,Quadafy of Libya,gave up their wmd program..and the rest of the dictators are sh*ttin little green apples !
You ask:" You think giving them food and half assed aid is going to help settle their negative emotions towards America? "
For many,it does..they are just dang lucky,it's America there and not the russians or commie chinese..there would be no aid..and most of the country and people,would be laid to waste and killed.
You say:"Say this is going on and all the muslims are in a plot to conver the world with violence, what are you going to do to stop them? Bomb them and kill them? What kind of logic is that?"
The problem mostly lies with the leadership of muslim countries that are hostile to the West,the folks in those countries,want to be free of the brutal shackles of fundy islam..we'll just cut the head off the snake..and Freedom will rise.
The 'logic' of toppleing saddam and sons,has worked very well..and is continuing to pay off..like the pullback of syrian troops.
It all boils down to this..either you will defend modern society..or you will be dragged back to the 7th century..your choice.
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
wasnt a matter of who would have won
its at what cost
no way japan could of lasted but the nuking broke the will of the people to fight and now japan is a nation of prosperous industry
and not a riunt historic relic of past nations
and we do have the best military
and that includes smart enough people to not kill off his own soldiers when he can kill off the ENEMY without doing so
that you cliam it was so how wrong to kill off millions to save thousands is bullshit when the society you speak of was in fact a brutal agressive domination minded war based one
the one way wasnt a nuke, but those farm boys needed not die becuase some OTHER NATIONS ruler could not see he was beat
it took two cities being vaporized to show them america couldnt be beat and they stopped,
war is hell
believe it or not but dropping those bombs saved alot of lives on both sides.we were just quicker on the draw as always.
Oh like no other organized religions call for it to be one and only. Not every muslim is an extremist, they are not going to invade the US and try to force their religion upon us...I think we have enough Christians doing that all ready.Quote:
Yup..I git it..history is indeed repeating it's self..once again..we must stop the muslim horde from rising up and dragging us all back to the 7th century..the koran,demands that the world be turned into an islamic state..kinda like the commie's manefesto,which demands the world be a communist state.
And why do you think this extremist terrorist group attacked us? No, it is not because they 'hate freedom' as Bush would want you to believe. We've been pissing them off for decades.Quote:
Since 9/11,I don't give a damn-how many muslims we piss off-if those muslims want America to be destroyed,and therefore,democracy and freedom,and if they refuse to acknowledge Israel's Statehood..then they can all kiss my big red,hairy,pimpled,redneck butt !
I disagree: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRel...nsequence3.aspQuote:
For many,it does..they are just dang lucky,it's America there and not the russians or commie chinese..there would be no aid..and most of the country and people,would be laid to waste and killed.
If these people wanted to be free they should revolt. Perhaps this could have happened peacefully, maybe they need foreign aid...but not all out America "Fuck Yeah" intervention. We do this a lot, and end up sticking around in the country for long periods of time and create more of a mess than there was to begin with.Quote:
The problem mostly lies with the leadership of muslim countries that are hostile to the West,the folks in those countries,want to be free of the brutal shackles of fundy islam..we'll just cut the head off the snake..and Freedom will rise.
these are people that have been pissed on for a hundred years.they have watched family members get their tongues cut out.do you really believe if you had grown up in a country like this you as a 16 year old kid would stand up and revolt,NO.
Their schools teach them the crap they believe.my friends from school used to tell me stories about the silly shit they teach them.and guess what,once they came here for school they realized what a load of shit it was.
have you been to america?or just seen the movie?
why have more muslim immigrants come to this country in the last 4 years than ever before?are they brainwashed too?c'mon!stop reading those silly ass web-sites with nothing but bullshit in them.i went and read them.they are for the gullible and left out so they can find a meaning in things they dont understand.
So globalissues.org is a silly website? Despite it being nonprofit and independently operated you're going to discredit it like that?
http://www.globalissues.org/about.asp
http://www.globalissues.org/HumanRights/Media.asp
not at all,i just looked at it.it reminds me of the aclu.i hate the aclu.it's a noble cause.
Why would you hate the ACLU...because they've been protecting the Bill of Rights for over 80 years?
suing the boyscouts?because they dont like a position of theirs?trying to change the names of food because they dont like them and they find them harmful?trying to outlaw playing dodgeball in california because it discriminates.they are a joke.
But it's ok to kill allied soldiers and civilians...Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
Sick and tired of the religion used for political bull.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE DEVISIVE !!
Dear President Bush,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. As you said, "In the eyes of God, marriage is between a man a woman". I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination . . . end of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's laws and how to follow them:
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that a man is allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness--Leviticus 15:19-24. The problem is, most women take offence when they're asked if they're unclean.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord--Leviticus 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?
7. Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton-polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Leviticus 24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus 20:14)?
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Just a little something I found whilst trawling .
owning a canadian would be nice.lol
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I would say that this is the most racist, disregarded, ignorant, hating, superiortist, and disgusting post I have EVER seen on ANY forum, including freerepublic, which I bet you frequent.
I am Jewish, does this mean I am uncivilized and horrid because I do not accept some random fucker who got nailed to a board? O, he was Jewish too, the ultimate, most correct and accepting religion in this world. Islam, it is fine, militant Islam......not so fine. But you ignorant pile of shit can obviously not stop to think, but would rather think and force your views down my throat. Torog, I think you should have not been crippled, but killed whenever that was, cuz they obviously had a head shot.
fuck you
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Originally Posted by Torog
for some reason you forget that there are catholic terreroists in ireland, or are these people good christians, so exempt from your constant mindless rant of hatred? History repeating itself? lets look back at the "good christian" history.
Catholic church: BURNED heretics, aka, anyone who didn't 100 percent agree with them. Included writing the BIBLE, the source of christianity, in a language that commons could read.
Spain: Jews; burned at the cross for not coverting.
White supremicy: Inspired by christianity, South African invaders: Christian, Murderers of natives: Christian, Inslavers of Africans: Christian.
But wait, since I have a mind unlike you, I know how to not generalize! Not all christians are bad, not all bad is christian. But alot is; their time of horror has for the most part ended, but a large chunk of history is taken up by it. Now, it is Militant Islams time.
Left wingers destroying freedom? NO!!! :mad: Who was against the "(un) patriot act"? left wingers, the patriot act does NOT help catch terrorists, but is used to invade on petty criminals life. Right wingers prevented felons from voting, VOTING, on of the basic, and natural freedoms of mankind. Your fucks try to stop gays from getting ANY bennifits, one even is trying to prevent single mothers from teaching in schools. They are trying to allow creationism to be taught in school. They allow criminals, even terrorists to buy weapons made to KILL PEOPLE!!! You say you want a war on terror huh? Well you, the right wing, the NR fucking A is allowing Oams "your mama" bin Laden to buy sub machine guns. Guerilla armies from Columbia have legally bougten tens of thousands of sholder held machine guns from the US. BEFORE we INVADED IRAQ it was harder to buy a killing weapon there. War on terror? I laugh at your ignorance and closemindness. We are selling terrorists guns while preaching the war on terror. A person on the TERRORIST WHACH LIST can legally buy a machine gun, hand gun, rifle, shotgun, etc etc at an AMERICAN gunshow.
Don't you get it yet? Left wingers are not all wrong, they when to preserve our freedom buy stomping down on our threats and not supplying violent criminals, terrorists, and violent, hard drug running guerilla armies with guns, the guys on the right of the isle do!
America is killing its self with dumness. We must change.
Now before you start calling me some liberal fuck let me tell you that I live in Alaska in a town of 1500 some people. I hunt for sustinence and was in the navy for four years before being released. I am not softy from Sothern California, the only beaches near me are full of rocks, mud and ice, and empty into water that is under 40 degrees. I will not back down to you and your abusive, racist posting.
no, its not and who siad so,? accidents like wrong targets and missed targets sux. BUT ITS WAR,nobody is safeQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
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i was talking about the invasion of japan home islands and how many lives the bombs saved.on both sides
believe what you want
but it took two cities DYING to save that island and people from total destruction