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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by FrenchInhale
I believe in creationism and I feel evolution is hog-wash. Also, did you know that there have been a lot of scientist who have tried to disprove creationism and have ended up believeing in it and being converted? Just thought I would throw that tid bit in there. Peace.
What a bunch of crap!! disprove something??? Just because something cannot be disproved means its true? Talk about warped minds. Lets see what else we can't disprove.Vampires, telekinesis, aliens, I believe some people can change to any animal form they want, can you disprove it? What an idiot!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by IrkenInvader
well evolution is just a theory, but one thing I do know is that creationism is complete bollocks. Not to trample anyone's beliefs or anything, but creationism pretty much refutes scientific evidence.
A theory???? Where the fuck were you educated? Or were you educated? Are you reading from 19th century textbooks?
Evolution is fact there is proof all around you. You may choose not to believe we are decended from apes, but you can't refute empirical evidence.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by seeker
i wont argue with anyone here, thats fucking pointless but i do believe in God, Jah, allah, however one wishes to put it. And i believe that evolution is a naural process of life, the ultimate symblism of life striving to improve itself in imitaiton of a perfect god.
So im a creationist who understands and accepts that evolution is a real process of life.
~always in Jah~
~pura vida compadres~
~seeker~
Finally, I personally do not believe in god or a supreme being, but I do not even pretend to know. Evolution is fact, not a theory. I do however agree with seeker, Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive!!!
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by meek mike
Darwin said it so you all believe it. Just as the Bible says it so alot of us believe it. Two sides two different views. What does it matter what we all believe as long as we all believe in our opinion. Who are we all trying to convince. You folks don't believe as I do and I don't believe as you do. Lets move on. There is no proof on either side.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
We don't believe it because Darwin said it, thats just the point, blind faith is just blindness. We believe in evolution because it can be proven, in as much as anything can be.
Have you heard of the Galapogos Islands? Darwin just documented what he found. Since, many of his theorys on evolution have been proven.
I've read the bible have you ever read the Origin of the species?
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by seeker
amen bro
problem is there is proof on both sides but not enough to affirm what happened when life started because noone is still around from when it happened.
no observation, no scientific fact, its all faith in an idea, whenther in evolutionary theory or creationism.
I think you confusing evolution with different theories on how life began.
these are completely different subjects. Before anything can evolve it has to exist. Get it? Evolution comes in after that! If you can't understand that you're hopeless.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by meek mike
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I never said evolution doesn't happen. I know it does because I am not the same as I was a year ago. I evolved into the person I am to day. Thats not the point. Evolution is pretty much adapting to surrounds.
Jugg-
You say there is proof. Please post the link so we (faithful) people can be proven wrong. But........ Don't post from some biast website. Just as you asked us (the faithful) to not post from a biast Christian site. Maybe a news paper that says "Proof evolution is where we all came from". Then you can say with out being biast yourself that evolution is in fact what happened. Thanks.
Rev. Micahel T
Soldier for Christ
You not being the same person you were is not evolution. Thats the whole problem you don't even know what evolution is and here you are trying argue.
what a moron, you are genetically the same as you were when you were born. GET IT REV?
Man I can't stand idiots like you, do some research, no I guess then you'd have to think for yourself and people like you need someone to tell you what you can think.
My father was the dept. head at a major university a religious university for over 30 years in the Bio dept. he has also been an ordained minister for over 30 years and he taught evolution. We don't agree on many things but thank goodness we can discuss it intelligently. GET A CLUE
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by NCarolina420
"Given that evolution, according to Darwin, was in a continual state of motion ...it followed logically that the fossil record should be rife with examples of transitional forms leading from the less to more evolved. ...Instead of filling the gaps in the fossil record with so-called missing links, most paleontologists found themselves facing a situation in which there were only gaps in the fossil record, with no evidence of transformational intermediates between documented fossil species." (Schwartz, Jeffrey H., Sudden Origins, 1999, p. 89.)
Here you go buddy...just one example...there's plenty more if youd like them
Yeah :rolleyes: except the chances of an animal becomeing a fossil are astronomical why would you think there sould be so many? maybe you shoiuld look into how a fossil is formed.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by sawleaf
My point is that this argument that is always going on in here is stupid, because neither side can prove they are correct. I never post and say there is a God, although I do believe in the Lord. But so many people post that God doesn't, with zero proof. If someone could disprove God and all the spiritual and paranormal things I've experienced, then I would stop believing, but I have yet to see the evidence that he doesn't exsist. :)
I understand what it takes to prove something but I want to know how you disprove something intangible?
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I believe in evolution, but I don't believe that things just started from nothingness. I believe something put things into motion. I have experienced lots of paranormal and spiritual things that I am not at liberty to discuss here. Most people wouldn't believe me either, but I know I am not alone in my experiences. Science has not even come close to explaining paranormal activity. If science is the proof, then why doesn't it have all the answers?
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by sawleaf
I have experienced lots of paranormal and spiritual things that I am not at liberty to discuss here.
personal experiences dont offer proof. therers a homeless guy in front of city hall that claims to be the mayor, in his head he most seriously is, but it is clear to most he suffers some type of mental disorder. while you may say you have 'experienced' paranormal things, it in no way mean you actually have.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by juggalo420
personal experiences dont offer proof. therers a homeless guy in front of city hall that claims to be the mayor, in his head he most seriously is, but it is clear to most he suffers some type of mental disorder. while you may say you have 'experienced' paranormal things, it in no way mean you actually have.
Oh I have and it is proof enough for me. But if you read my posts you'll see I am not here trying to prove a thing to anyone.
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evolution or creationism?
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evolution or creationism?
YEAH NOT TO SAY WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS
WE ARE A SEPARATE GROUP WHO APPARENTLY CO EXISTED WITH SIMILAR SPECIES LIKE NEANDERTHAL....
SO IN A MILLION YEARS A CHIMP WONT BECOME HUMAN
WE JUST EVOLVED SUCCESSFULLY AND THE OTHERS DIED OUT
YKNOWWHDDIMEAN????
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evolution or creationism?
Looker, you're wierd, but you're right :D
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by sawleaf
If science is the proof, then why doesn't it have all the answers?
Science like EVERYTHING else is constantly evolving. Why do you need proof of anything? You apparently have other beliefs that can't be proven. What do you base your beliefs on? Empirical evidence? Or is it only what you personally experience?
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evolution or creationism?
silly mortals.
god created the universe and the big bang from which evolution was set in motion.
just because jesus didnt say evolution because the word hadnt itself evolved by that time doesnt mean its not what they meant to say :p haha lost meself there.
evolution is gods greatest creation.
how good is impaled narazene.they really rock out. i am the killer of trolls. fuckin crack me up.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by Imotep
silly mortals.
god created the universe and the big bang from which evolution was set in motion.
just because jesus didnt say evolution because the word hadnt itself evolved by that time doesnt mean its not what they meant to say :p haha lost meself there.
evolution is gods greatest creation.
how good is impaled narazene.they really rock out. i am the killer of trolls. fuckin crack me up.
Lol. I'm not sure what your trying to get at. I sense that you're not either...
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:eek: :D :confused: :rolleyes:
lol :cool:
Peace-oo
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evolution or creationism?
heres another freaky one(laughs)
Everything
((((((((Adam and Eve)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))hahahahahha don't go bazzerko though
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
i dont think einstien will be "done away with", i just think that eisnteisn theiry of relativity and quantum mechanics will some day be unified and they will be seen as one/;... but i dunno, im drunk as hell :D
He gets it.
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evolution or creationism?
genese=metaphore
of course we come from the evolution of cells, etc
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Why do you all insist on saying 'no offence' before expressing your opinion. Just because somebody says god is BS, should not offend anyone. If you are offended by what people say about your religion or about god, i have one thing to say to you. Worry about yourself. I can't stand when people are 'offended' by what other people think or say about their religion. Especially when it contradicts people's religion.
Personally, I think the bible is bullshit, god is bullshit, angels, church, all of that, is bullshit. I think more than half the world is delirious. I think the bible is no more than a book to entertain and explain. If i offended you with my words, You just worry about yourself, and stop worrying about what other people say or think. Sure you can explain your side of the 'aguement' but i dont want to hear 'your words offended me'' crap. I think there is so much more to the universe than the human mind can ever comprehend. There are truths about this world and the universe that the human mind will NEVER understand. And i think the bible and all relgions, science even, are just ways to explain the world and the universe, however there is no way we will ever know if any of it is true.
NM
Soldier for the truth
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evolution or creationism?
more than half the world? delirious? of course man. we live in a crazy world. crazy fuckin world where everyone thinks happiness can be found in money and material
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evolution or creationism?
I am a firm believer in evolution. I think it is silly(steps on ppl's toes) the way ppl think about evolution and creationism. My father is a minister. When I was a Christian, I ask him one day, about his personal beliefs on evolution. He told me it was bunk. I ask why is it bunk?he went on and on, and on about the bible. I said Well, Why can't evolution and creationism go hand and hand. First off I don't believe in creationism, But at the time,I did(years ago).I told him,why couldn't god(the soo called god that I believed in at the time)guided evolution. and it took eoms of time to get to this point in evolution.
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evolution or creationism?
I grew up in a Christian family, and every Sunday my parents brought me to church to learn the word of god. As I grew up, the more I began to think about religion and this idea of a god, and the more it came to me, isn't this a bit silly? This almighty powerful god for some reason created this extraordinarily complex universe and then left without showing shed of proof of his existence. I have talked with many religious people and have tried to understand their reasoning as to why they believe in god, and there answer ultimately comes down to faith. Nothing more than faith; is it just me or is taking an idea completely on faith a little naĂŻve? Doesnâ??t it make so much more sense that the universe has came to be as we perceive to be today by a process that can be explained logically? That perhaps planet earth is just one of many sites in the universe where the conditions for life are right? And on this small little planet orbiting an average star, in an average spiral galaxy, in a small corner of the universe life evolved into complex forms and sometime very recently, highly intelligent beings came to be. Overwhelmed by the beauty and complexity of the world they inhabited, they began to try and piece together the puzzle. Without science or any other method of rational analysis, early thinkers invented gods to explain what they had no other way of explaining. Through the ages wars were waged against different civilizations, in the name of god or the gods they believed in. Entire civilizations and beliefs were wiped out. Does all of this sound so ridiculous? Why canâ??t we just accept that earth isnâ??t really anything that special, and life as we know it developed on earth through chemical processes and evolved into more complex forms, and religion and other old ideas that attempt to explain how we came to be are just inventions of early civilizations and are no longer applicable? While I have completely disregarded the idea of religion for some time now, only recently has it really angered me. Like conservatives withholding the rights of gay people from marrying, just because some book says itâ??s bad. While I am straight, if I were gay I would be one pissed off individual. Even today wars are waged in the name of god. Entire countries at each others throats just because they believe in a different god or set of beliefs. I could go on but I can already see this post is getting quite long, and many people who pass by it might not be interested in reading it. So, why does the majority of the world still believe in a god or gods? Why canâ??t we release ourselves from what has been lagging our evolution as a society?
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'cause my god can beat up your god!!!
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evolution or creationism?
We have evidence of evolution on our bodies, from our webbed hands and feet, to the "once" second-eyelid, which is now junk in the corner of our eyeball. We don't use our appendix, anymore, so pretty soon we'll evolve to where we don't have one.
Just like stupid people will evolve to a race of brain-less humans.
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Awesome post, theone2334.
I agree. Humanity will never progress positively while we're still hung up on religion, and also gaining meterial wealth. And the reason being; those who believe in religion don't want to change, even if the change is for the better, and those with the material wealth definately don't want to change, even if it's for the good of our race. People are too self absorbed and greedy. :(
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
\] Humanity will never progress positively while we're still hung up on religion, and also gaining meterial wealth. And the reason being; those who believe in religion don't want to change, even if the change is for the better, and those with the material wealth definately don't want to change, even if it's for the good of our race. People are too self absorbed and greedy. :(
I don't think we have a choice on this, no matter what our beliefs. Evolution takes milleniums, our belief for the past couple thousand years isn't gonna stop our arms from digressing after we learn to use our brains instead.
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evolution or creationism?
Evolution is just a theory, just as E=mc2 is a theory, funny thing though, compress that ball of plutonium as Einstien suggested, and Nagasaki gets evaporated. Go figure.
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Some dude decided to create us... so that we can defy him. Yeah, that's what happened.
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evolution or creationism?
I still don't get why he'd create us with signs of us being a reptile, like the alligators second eye-lid (or is it crocodiles?) and our webbed feet and hands to swim with. Back in the 1800's, everyone was born with a tail, but thanks to evolution, we're tail-less.
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It's also kind of weird, from a Creationist viewpoint, that God also decided to create some animals almost, but not quite, in his own image, like the chimpanzee which shares 98.5% of its DNA with humans.
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evolution or creationism?
we may be the closest to a monkeys dna and everything, but that just dosent sound logicial to me
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evolution or creationism?
that's a very interesting word, logicial.
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evolution or creationism?
If man evolved from monkeys Why are there still monkeys? Shouldn't they have evolved with us into humans?
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by noruth
If man evolved from monkeys Why are there still monkeys? Shouldn't they have evolved with us into humans?
we share a common ancestor. evolution has taken humans and the different species of monkeys down different evolutionary paths.
its not just animals and plants that evolve. ideas, societies, even your personality can evolve. its the natural growing process of all things. :cool:
(of course, stuff like alligators, sharks and fundamentalists can resist change for a long time)
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by Euphoric
we share a common ancestor. evolution has taken humans and the different species of monkeys down different evolutionary paths.
its not just animals and plants that evolve. ideas, societies, even your personality can evolve. its the natural growing process of all things. :cool:
(of course, stuff like alligators, sharks and fundamentalists can resist change for a long time)
Uh, oh, let's bring that girl back in here who will boil it all down to the first "single-celled" organism to inhabit the Earth.
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by noruth
If man evolved from monkeys Why are there still monkeys? Shouldn't they have evolved with us into humans?
Way to go, man. You win the award for successfully managing to talk about something you obviously know nothing about. :)
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evolution or creationism?
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Originally Posted by noruth
If man evolved from monkeys Why are there still monkeys? Shouldn't they have evolved with us into humans?
Yes we didnt evolve from monkeys, but there is a common misconception that if a species evolves from another older species, the latter will not exist anymore. This is untrue. Dogs were artificially bred from wolves, yet wolves still exist. More recent breeds of dogs are bred from older breeds, but those older breeds still exist. An interesting finding- because dogs have been bred for so long, some types of dogs are now are unable to mate with other breeds, because they are reproductivly incompatible now. Are they becoming different species??? Who knows!