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:vader1: NEVER!
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.......YOU WILL BE ASSIMULATED!!
Have a good one.....while you can!:s4:
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.......YOU WILL BE ASSIM i LATED!!
Replace U with I and you have a word. I know, a slip of the finger, they are right next to each other on the keyboard I do it all the time as my fingers are too large to be a typist. But I think you are mellowing...... How can we watch the same news and have such differing views, Oh thats right, you watch Faux Noise. That channel should be banned, I'm not advocating banning them, I just believe it should be. If someone took them off the air, maybe America could start mellowing out. No that would never work, some radical John Bircher would just start a worse one. I guess it'll always be the them and us scenario. It used to be we could find common ground by uniting against a common enemy. But now with them creating the enemies, you don't know who to trust. They attack Sadam, while it was Saudis that brought down the towers, Go figure.
BANNING??? I'm the last one to talk to about something like that........I'm completely against any type of ban........LMAO!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
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Saudis are in bed with the Bush family enough said.
Folks at home ..... I'm sure you had no problems looking at the link I provided ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
How he US armed Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons
On August 18, the New York Times carried a front-page story headlined, â??Officers say U.S. aided Iraq despite the use of gasâ?. Quoting anonymous US â??senior military officersâ?, the NYT â??revealedâ? that in the 1980s, the administration of US President Ronald Reagan covertly provided â??critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq warâ?. The story made a brief splash in the international media, then died.
So the tired bushie excuse for illegally invading a sovereign nation because he gassed the Kurds is part of the power of nightmares that psycho as obviously fallen for.
Follow the money folks and you will find the truth. :rastasmoke: :hippy: :thumbsup:
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Grow rebel is right and i dont know why these Bushies keep argueing the fact.Did anybody here see Donald Trump bash Bush ?He is one of the last people i would of thought that would of said negative things about him considering he is part of the elite.
I don't even like Trump, but by bashing Bush and being a billionaire that easily benefited heavily from the Bush tax cuts, speaks volumes about Bushs' agenda being fucked up. If the rich want respect from the proletariate, they need to get their priorities straight. We have nothing against rich people per-se, just the way they rule over us in that "we're so much better than you" way. A responsible rich person would know that sharing the wealth is a much more positive approach to life, not being a scrooge.
FINALLY got it to open:Quote:
Originally Posted by GrowRebel
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Or the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds........
OR..............
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YOUR RESPONSE:
Done with the blessings of the US government. So if they weren't outraged then .... why are you now?
ACTUAL STORY FROM ARTICLE:
The day before, Iran had accused Iraq of poisoning 600 of its soldiers with mustard gas and Tabun nerve gas.
There is no doubt that the US government knew Iraq was using chemical weapons. On March 5, 1984, the State Department had stated that â??available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical weaponsâ?. The March 30, 1984, NYT reported that US intelligence officials has â??what they believe to be incontrovertible evidence that Iraq has used nerve gas in its war with Iran and has almost finished extensive sites for mass producing the lethal chemical warfare agentâ?.
However, consistent with the pattern throughout the Iran-Iraq war and after, the use of these internationally outlawed weapons was not considered important enough by Rumsfeld and his political superiors to halt Washington's blossoming love affair with Hussein.
So where does that state that the U.S. gave their blessings for Saddam to gas the Kurds? NOWHERE in that article! I've NEVER disputed that we supplied chem weapons to Iraq for the Iran/Iraq war. It was a way to deal with the Basij at the time.
Have a good one!:s4:
War blows. No country should ever be violent towards another country except in self-defence from an invasion.
No grey areas in that; end of story.
I find it very encouraging to see that Bush supporters are incapable of arguing without desperately pulling hole-riddled arguments out of their ass. It makes our case stronger.
I suppose we could take an article and twist it into a new and improved version like some of you others but hell.........you dig whatever out of your ass that you want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom
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We only dig the truth out of our asses not some fear mongering propoganda.The Bushies use fear to control the masses and manipulate the media.They reward their friends with the spoils of war while sanatizing whats really going on.When this whole Iraqi mess is over and Bush/Cheney are hauled down to the Prague to answer to war crimes and crimes against humanity what will you tell your children or grand children what you did during these dark times?Will you sheepishly tell them you were for the war or lie?When they ask you about the prisoners being tortured what will you say?What will we say when they ask us what we did about it?will we tell them the truth and say we were just too busy........
Fish, the crazy thing is they don't see it that way. They think we're saving the world and whats a few hundred thousand deaths, they were just towelheads, The radicals hate us, so a little collateral damage (50-700 thousand deaths) is allright. If we don't kill them over there, they will be coming down our streets with AKs and RPGs. They are drinking the koolaid gulps at a time. There is no convincing right wing radicals that we are doing anything wrong in Iraq, Just kill them all and be done with it. I can't decide if they are totally brainwashed or just fucking stupid, it's got to be one or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
Yeah med its crazy and they think that way too...oohh were saving the world and spreading democracy what a fucking joke.Med the fucking history books will not see it their way either.Whether they are brainwashed or stupid i think its a bit of both,but hey i was brainwashed into believing Iraq had WMDs and when they didnt find any thats when the light came on and i said whoa hold on here what the fuck did we just do...I think any intelligent person can see whats going on but the Bushies are just too blind.They dont want to see the truth.Now they are starting to believe the rhetoric about Iran.The Bush administration actually believe if we bomb Iran the people will rebel against their own government.Now i dont believe that and neither should any one else.But these crazies think this way and its scary.Well we can only hope the next administration just gets the fuck outta Iraq.But then again the terrorists will just hop on a boat and follow us or so the crazies want us to believe.You cant reason with crazy people........
Only the FAR left wants us to cut and run.........thankfully their numbers are few.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
As for the "elected left" with illusions of promises.....they know that cutting out isn't an option but I'm sure you all feel better with the non-binding resolutions they've come up with.
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Not as few as you'd like to believe. I believe it's over 60% that want to stop the war:beatdeadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I'd feel a hell of a lot better if they stopped the slaughter of our young men and women and let the Iraqis fight their own battles. The only reasons we're still there are twofold, The oil and G,W.s overinflated ego! His ego is killing Americans. When will we wake the fuck up? Just think. If we killed a half dozen neocons, the war would be over. What makes more sense? a few warmongers, or a few thousand more troops and civilian casualtys. I'd vote for the warmongers.
I don't know my friend........the left confuses me too!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
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YES~!! thank you and as there are no gray areas the US army is in THE WRONG!!! THE "INSURGFENTS" ARE DEFENDING.. THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT!~Quote:
Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom
FUCK YOUR TROOPS! VICTORY TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE CAPITALIST EMPIRE AND THE WAR-MACHINE
Taken out of context: they all confuse me. Is there not one lick of common sense left in politics. A. killing for oil or more likely, young Americans dying for oil. B. Oil is the largest cause of global warming, Hydrocarbon emissions. C. Insanity dictates more of the same. : Definition of insanity; doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We've been dying for the elites since time began, over and over and over, insane. Time for a change! :beatdeadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I'm sure that they wish you the best also..........Quote:
Originally Posted by growinforthefuture
Have a good one!:s4:
To all........if you want to pick out a group to rip on, etc........fine. IF you desire to pick out a single person in here with unwarrented insults you'll be shown the door.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
So whats life like in the Sudan? Is pot legal there. It's always nice to hear a perspective from a country in the general area of the conflicts the USA puts us into. I'm pretty sure your country is on our list of suspects, most are. Do you live by Kartoum, or on the red sea. I'm always interested in hearing from other countries, we are pretty brainwashed in the good old USA. They try and keep much of the real news from around the world from us. I can understand why you're so anti-American, but let me say this: It's the government you should dislike not the people. there are here as I'm sure over there a lot of good hard working people that wish this government would stop it's world policeman role and just take care of our own people. Best of luck to you and as the mod said, take your anger out on groups and governments, not individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by growinforthefuture
So after invading their nation, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their people, and destabalizating their country, it's now fair to just pull out and "let the Iraqis fight their own battles"? Sorry, but under Saddam there was order and law and none of this insurgent crap would have been tolerated. America went in and gave criminals and murderer's the run of the place, now you want to give them full run of the place? It's easy to say "let them fight among themselves", but it's America's intervention that caused the fighting in the first place, and now it's America's responsibility to fulfill their promise to the Iraqi people. They already did a great job pissing off the middle east the first time they told the Iraqi's to rise up against Saddam with impending liberation, then left them high and dry to be killed/tortured/imprisoned when it didn't happen. You can't just destabalize the whole region now and say "well, it's your mess now".Quote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
BTW Mr. Growinforthefuture, You folks have a shitpotful of trouble in your own country, does Darfur ring a bell, Janjaweed etc..... I think you should look to your government for some improvements before going off on ours, we'll take care of dissing our own govt. At least we can do that without fear of being shot, for now.
I'm sure you have a plan, What is it? Does it involve any canadian help, or just criticism. The war is lost. time to leave!!! BTW who ever said war was fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
I agree with mrdevious, going in was absolutely wrong but leaving now would be worse. "Sorry we fucked up your country, now you deal with it" . This war has seriously fucked up our image abroad and if we were to bail out now, and everything go to shit, it would be disastrous. That being said, I do feel that Georgie's current plan is getting us nowhere fast. This isn't a war of attrition, we are never going to kill enough insurgents to make them stop. They're never going to wave the white flag then sit down at a table, along with a gloating George Bush, and sign surrender papers. We need to redefine what "win" means at this point. Winning should mean the Iraqi's are better off when we leave than when we got there, period. Whether or not that ends up being a high point on Dubya's resume really shouldn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Ok, fair enough. Groups of people like growinforthefuture, who wish our troops harm and victory to the insurgents, can all fuck themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
For the record........my statement wasn't in regards to that post but to another members who is currently on a vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
When I first read the comment made I was undecided how to deal with it....being from the "right" I didn't want to come across one sided in here. It seems though with the feedback given it not only offended me but the middle and a bit on the left also.
These soldiers volenteered to do a job that most people don't have the balls to do. They don't pick the missions but follow the orders and I find comments on this level completely disrespectful and in the future will NOT be tolorated!
If you want to badmouth the country, her politics, leaders.........great, BUT show respect for those that HAVE TO follow the orders.
ANY feedback regarding this is welcome!
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
P4B i totally agree with you on this one.Nobody should bad mouth the soldiars in Iraq because they are only following orders its not their fault that they are in this shit whole called Iraq.Yes theire are crimes comitted by U.S soldiars in Iraq but thats not our job to judge them all.I hope every American kid gets out of their in one peace.
Thanks dude.........much respect!:thumbsup:
It's nice to see an issue that both sides can agree on.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
its been like 6 years.. you can get out of a bad thing. its kinda a moral issue. i don't work for the us military or wal-mart for the same reason.... and bTW who did I personally attack?!?!?! how did I get an infraction?!?! i just disapproved and told you so psycho... i didn't attack no one. BTW i am not sudanese, my flag is Palestinian i think. I am sadly an American actually.. i just support palestine and the international solidarity movement I just hate my government, and the pople who think they need to over defend it.
Flag is sudanese, checked it twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by growinforthefuture
he well it says Palestine on my thing.. Sudan.. they kinda sketch me out. Un-like Irag Sudan actually has been linked directly to state-supported terrorrism against the US.
anyhow there are 2 sides to this war and they are both wrong in some way, and the insurgents may be partially in the right.. violence is not the asnwer thoyugh... it wasn;t i guess it is now, thanbks to U.S> ANY TROOPS IN IRAQ ARE THERE BY CHOICE, and I really don't care about em one way or another.. i would just rathe people like that not return to myu country.
Actually growinforthe future is right. The Sudanese flag has a green triangle on the left and a red strip on top. The Palastinian flag has a red triangle with a black stripe on top. They look almost the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
Are you color blind medicinal? I mean that seriously. Folks who are color blind usually mix up red and green.
I beg to differ with you here. I'd be willing to bet that most trops in Iraq are not there by their choice but by that fucknut's(George Bush's) choice. These guys signed up for an important job, defending our country, and I salute them for it. There were just dumb enough not to have the foresight that some moron like Bush would come along and send them off to war for the wrong reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by growinforthefuture
I do agree with you that violence is not the answer. We need to sit down and find a peaceful way to end this. But oh no, we don't negotiate with terrorists :rolleyes:
Speaking on a visit to Kazakhstan, Mr Putin said Russia had warned the US on several occasions that Iraq was planning "terrorist attacks" on its soil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
"After the events of 11 September 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told reporters.
He said the information received by Russian intelligence suggested Iraq was planning attacks in the United States, "and beyond its borders on American military and civilian targets".
BBC NEWS | Americas | Putin says Iraq planned US attack
No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George S. Patton
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Nope not colorblind. Check out my avatar, got it right off the google flag page under Sudan. And notice it's identical to growinforthefutures country of origin flag. I'm tired of:beatdeadhorse: so make up your own mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
Speaking on a visit to Kazakhstan, Mr Putin said Russia had warned the US on several occasions that Iraq was planning "terrorist attacks" on its soil.
Do you think Putin was smart enough to know we'd go there and create this huge debacle that would bankrupt us and cause us to be the most feared and hated country on the planet. Maybe he is smarter than we give him credit for. When this war is over (If ever) this country will be a shell of what we were before the war. Bush will be called the worst president ever, and the dollar won't be worth Buttkiss. Pretty good chess playing by Putin I'd say!