gay marriage what do you think?

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Originally Posted by hempheadjack

fuck this shit,,i was raped by 3 fucking queers at gunpoint in the milatary,,ever sence then,,they are fags and queers and sick indaviduals like dykes and lesbos,,get the fuck off this planet you fucking queers and lesbos,,remember freedom of speech people,,dont deny my right

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Jack dont be like that.You a cool guy
I was bisexual for a while cause i was treated that bad by an asshole of a man.At least when i was with another girl i knew she wouldnt hurt me.Never in my whole life did i think about being with a girl until i was turned that way by an asshole.Im sorry you feel like that but i did not hurt anyone.Im so sorry that that happened to you by those fag assholes.Anyways now im with a great guy who loves me and treats me like gold so i dont want that in my life now.

I am shocked to hear opinions like that. Homosexuality is not a choice, you're just born that way. Statistics shows that they are more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual pedophiles. A lot of psychologists will tell you that kids coming from a gay family are more likely to be balanced because their parents will make sure their mental and physical developpement are going the right way.

Also, for gays, parenting is a choice. Gays are never gonna have a kid by accident. Straights can have kids by accident and MAY lead to physical abuse. About denying marriage to gay people: Allowing gays to marry won't take anything away from straights wishing to get married. And why gay sex should be sick? It's not up to you to decide what is sick and what isn't. What you consider normal might look sick to me and vice versa.

Some say that gays are more likely to be unfaithful to their partner. Actually, I strongly believe it's a matter of sex. Guys are more likely to see sex as just sex, wheras girls will see sex as an emotional link. Therefore, MEN are more likely to cheat; whether they be straight or gay. But, some women and some men will cheat, straight AND gay.

There's so much hate in this world already. Why should the idea of two people that are deeply in love and care for each other be wrong.

Peace

Nurse

P.S.: That thing about gays recruiting is bullsh*t.

HHJ, I'll probably say that the people that raped you weren't actually gay, but were really just a few guys who were sexually deprived (being in the military and all), and well, you just got unlucky. I know some people that are sex addicts (heterosexual), and I wouldn't be surprised if at the most desperate point in their life, they would end up raping a man if it was their last choice. Having sex with another man is the act of a gay man, but it doesn't mean they were gay.

i think that does pretty much make them gay. why are you defending gay rapists purple p? got some secrets?! hahaha just kidding pass the fookin joint

about whether or not I am gay, or jewish or arabic, or whatever and is BS to discuss. Except as some kinda gossip BS. But, that is just my opinion based on the Constitution.

TR EWAR, III

You made me sad, until you said you were kidding, haha. Actually, I'm not gay, and I think gay sex is gross, and all that. And I hate gay men that act feminine. But just because I think that doesn't mean I should be against gay marriage. I wouldn't want someone to take my rights away because I'm different. So I go with my principals, rather than my preferences on this argument.

I can hardly read past the first page of this... I'm so apalled at what you people are saying. Especially Torog.. I mean.. I knew he was conservitist, and I knew he would be against gay marriage.. but I had no idea he'd spout such complete bullshit ((and I mean that as in the shit he spouted either had nothing to do with homosexuals, or the same exact thing could be said for heterosexuals)) I truly had respect for the way Torog would justify his opinion in almost every situation, but wow.. he's done a truly terrible job on this one. Making himself look like a true ass, as well as a true judgemental stereotyping asshole. ^.^ So kudos Torog! Now quickly, chop off your testicles so you never again reproduce.

I'll be honest, I don't see gays as a problem. We're overpopulating extremely fast, just as The C said, so every little fag helps. Err, every little bit**. But gay marriage, well, I don't give a shit personally, but I could definately see why it's viewed negatively.. I mean marriage has, for a long time, meant a HOLY matrimony between two individuals. And being gay, in alot of people's eyes, is unholy. So, I think there needs to be a government recognized union between gays, but I think it shouldn't be called marriage, just to avoid problems.

Hempheadjack: Im very sorry about the fact that you were raped. But you really should understand, not every gay man raped you. Only three did. Those three gay men were rapists. Not every gay man. But, for the sake of a better world, I hope those three fucks are shot dead seven times over. And posting your address in the same forum you post pictures of your awesome fucknig gardens is a bad idea. Because I guarantee if you go to jail, there'll be alot more homosexual raping there.

And lesbians ((Yup! They're gay people too! Sorry that one guy buttfuckin another grosses some of you out, but don't forget lesbians are just as gay)) YES I said LESBIANS, as in gay females, GAY females, have less stds then heterosexuals. Looks like god forgot to punish one half of gays. Looks like your god is ALMOST as much of a hypocrit as you Torog. :)

And as for being gay.. well, I'm not. Any form of gay sex grosses me out ((girls too)) but you know what.. Thinking about two obese people having sex grosses me out. Does that mean obese people shouldn't have sex?

On a second note:

I'm going to post something that I haven't told anyone in real life, which may hopefully make a point to you with the belief that gays "recruit".

When I was in second grade, and in cub scouts, there was a sleepover in the gym. Well me and another boy there zipped our sleeping bags together so it was basically one big giant sleeping bag that no one else could see in. And you know what? We did gay stuff. He was my first french kiss, and we touched eachothers penises and other stuff I wont go into anymore detail.

I think back on this and I cringe. This grosses the hell out of me now. Well you know what? I didn't even know there was a word for that when I was in 2nd grade. I swear to you. It was in FOURTH grade, literally two years later, that I found out there were actually people in the world that liked the same gender. I thought that was like the wrongest thing anyone could ever do. I was raised a christian and I didn't know any better.

So, I gotta know.. who recruited me? Cuz, to be honest, I recruited this kid. It was my idea in the start to kiss. And he was the same age as me.. not an infant like you might think since fags are into wee ones. ((please note: sarcasm))

Was it the liberalist media? No, I didn't watch the news... Was it kindergarten? Nope! I wasn't taught the fine art of fisting until AFTER grade school. ((joke...)) Was it some old man praying on me? Nope. It was my BRAIN!!! Ahhhh!!! My brain was the recruiter. It thought up the idea based on what it had seen mom and daddy doing. By the way, my mom is female and my dad is male.

Oh, and Torog.. was your daughter molested by a female? You seem to be all about how gay people are into kids and youngins, yet I seem to recall you saying the MAN who molested your daughter is in jail. I just hope your daughter doesn't have a penis, because that would ruin the point I'm trying to prove. Oh, and by the way, when a malemolests or rapes a female... it's a terrible thing. And I know that. But you know what? It's a terrible HETEROSEXUAL thing.

Howdy Encatuse,

You state:" Oh, and Torog.. was your daughter molested by a female? You seem to be all about how gay people are into kids and youngins, yet I seem to recall you saying the MAN who molested your daughter is in jail. I just hope your daughter doesn't have a penis, because that would ruin the point I'm trying to prove. Oh, and by the way, when a malemolests or rapes a female... it's a terrible thing. And I know that. But you know what? It's a terrible HETEROSEXUAL thing. "

My daughter,was sexually assaulted,by a male bisexual pedophile,pedophilia,is not just a heterosexual thing. I got the bastard thrown in jail for 3 years,he's since served more time for molesting both boys and girls. I know exactly where he lives and I keep track of him,through the Sexual Offender's Database.

I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.

My fight,is with those gays who are trying to usurp parental authority and cram their radical gay agenda down our throats-no pun intended.

Are you a parent ? Because if you're not..then there'a alot that you will not be able to understand about this issue.

Have a good one...Torog

erm i read somewhere that lesbians have a higher amount of herpes..it was a scientific study..i think you said that encause..so i offically disagree with that.
sources..
http://www.safeguards.org/pages/news...ate.asp?id=160
http://www.gayhealth.com/templates/1...97&trycookie=1
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/glbt/lbstd.htm

there seems to be some debate whether they are at more risk it seems.

Purple P: i'd actually have to agree with your stance on this issue..its not my thing and even if i think its gross the government probably doesnt have the right to say what we can smoke and who we can marry :)

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I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.


Do you know what you're talking about? Gays represent aproximatively 10-15 % of the entire population.

So, there's less gay pedophiles than straitght pedophiles.

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Originally Posted by Encatuse

I can hardly read past the first page of this... I'm so apalled at what you people are saying. Especially Torog.. I mean.. I knew he was conservitist, and I knew he would be against gay marriage.. but I had no idea he'd spout such complete bullshit ((and I mean that as in the shit he spouted either had nothing to do with homosexuals, or the same exact thing could be said for heterosexuals)) I truly had respect for the way Torog would justify his opinion in almost every situation, but wow.. he's done a truly terrible job on this one. Making himself look like a true ass, as well as a true judgemental stereotyping asshole. ^.^ So kudos Torog! Now quickly, chop off your testicles so you never again reproduce.

I'll be honest, I don't see gays as a problem. We're overpopulating extremely fast, just as The C said, so every little fag helps. Err, every little bit**. But gay marriage, well, I don't give a shit personally, but I could definately see why it's viewed negatively.. I mean marriage has, for a long time, meant a HOLY matrimony between two individuals. And being gay, in alot of people's eyes, is unholy. So, I think there needs to be a government recognized union between gays, but I think it shouldn't be called marriage, just to avoid problems.

Hempheadjack: Im very sorry about the fact that you were raped. But you really should understand, not every gay man raped you. Only three did. Those three gay men were rapists. Not every gay man. But, for the sake of a better world, I hope those three fucks are shot dead seven times over. And posting your address in the same forum you post pictures of your awesome fucknig gardens is a bad idea. Because I guarantee if you go to jail, there'll be alot more homosexual raping there.

And lesbians ((Yup! They're gay people too! Sorry that one guy buttfuckin another grosses some of you out, but don't forget lesbians are just as gay)) YES I said LESBIANS, as in gay females, GAY females, have less stds then heterosexuals. Looks like god forgot to punish one half of gays. Looks like your god is ALMOST as much of a hypocrit as you Torog. :)

And as for being gay.. well, I'm not. Any form of gay sex grosses me out ((girls too)) but you know what.. Thinking about two obese people having sex grosses me out. Does that mean obese people shouldn't have sex?

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you people reallythink i posted my address,,comeon,,that is a part of me that can just outrite mind fuck you as in (whoever wants to send me a hate notice,)it will go to the stockton police,,thats the address i gave,,now,the people i sent my pipes to,,they have my address,,and one more thing,if i ever went to jail,,i am dying of cancer,,ill kill anyone that tries that again,

with all that said,,anybody can now say what they want,,cuz,,sticks and stones can break my bones,,words will never harm me,,just piss me off,,im done on this subject,,,Jack,,so i guess it is all about gay marriage,,,,,let em get married,,,i dont give a rats ass no more on this subject,,it is a burnout,,,Jack

Euphoric: I encourage you to read past the initial title of the articles you use as sources. :) I'll show you some quotes from them.

The first one: "Most of the women (80%) reported having had sex with a man during their lifetime.... The same was true even among 257 women who self-identified as lesbian"

This, I believe makes the first source disregardable. But if anything this should help prove a very similar point:

"This means that routine acquisition of chronic viral sexually transmitted diseases, like herpes, human papillomavirus (HPV), HIV, and hepatitis B, can occur at the same rate as in strictly heterosexual women," Dr. Marrazzo said. "So providers should really assume nothing when a woman says 'I'm a lesbian' -- at least in terms of prior viral sexually transmitted disease acquisition -- until a more complete sexual history is taken."

I was trying to make the point that stds weren't put on the earth as punishment for homosexuals... and since that source said that lesbians get stds at the same rate as heterosexual women.. well you get it. ;)

As for the next one:

"Nearly one in ten lesbians participating in a small study was infected with herpes" is a direct quote from it... Now. heres a quote to show you how many heterosexual women have it.

How common is genital herpes?

"Results of a recent, nationally representative study show that genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide, 45 million people ages 12 and older, or one out of five of the total adolescent and adult population, is infected with HSV-2. HSV-2 infection is more common in women (approximately one out of four women)" thats from http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/h...lstdherpes.htm

Now keep in mind, that includes both lesbians and straight women, but realize how drastically smaller the population of gay women is compared to the straight woman population. So, in conclusion. Thank you. Your sources actually proved the legitimacy of my argument.

And for the third source you provided:

"In fact, the risk of STD transmission between women varies significantly depending on the STD. Herpes, HPV (genital wart virus), and bacterial vaginosis are transmitted fairly easily between women during sex. HIV, hepatitis B, gonorrhea, and chlamydia are much less likely to be transmitted--the risk is low but it is still possible.

The majority of lesbian and bisexual women have (or have had) sex with men, and all STDs are easily transmitted from men to women during intercourse. Often STD do not have symptoms, so it is possible for a woman to have become infected years ago and to still harbor the infection."

Herpes and HPV is one of the most common viruses among heterosexual people as well. It's estimated 1 in 4 heterosexuals will contract herpes at some point in their life. As for the others it listed, it stated it was less likely they would be transferred. The third source did very little for either of our arguments. It was just out to dismiss the myth that lesbians got few-no stds. When they do. Im not trying to state they don't. But they still get less of em then heterosexual females. And that, my friend, was my whole argument. I think that pretty much completely debases the idea that god gave stds to punish homosexuals. Because if he did.. he's one hell of a stupid god, punishing more heterosexual women then homosexual women. ((Or maybe he's just like the average homophobe.. forgetting that two women constitutes as homosexuality as well just because they're attracted to it. "Down with gays!" -silently beats off to lesbian porn- "Put em on an island!" -asks wife to have a threesome with another chick-))

Torog - Looking back on my post, I realize it was probably the wrong thing to do to mention the molestation of your daughter. Im sad to hear the fuck who did it only got three years.. personally I wish all child molesters and in some cases rapists got the death penalty when convicted. I just wish people would realize though, that you can hardly consider a pedophile homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual... I can hardly look at them as humans and I think most people feel the same. I mean, you realize that there are more blacks in jail then whites? And whites are a majority. But, it's not like you'd say black people shouldn't be allowed basic rights because of that. Anyway, I'm sorry about bringing up your daughter being molested. That was rude and non-compassionate of me, and since I have no experience as a parent, you're right, I wouldn't know what it's like.

Man, I always get so annoyed with you and your insanely conservatist opinions, and then you reply to my posts so nicely I feel like a jackass. -laughs- I suppose that does kind of make me an ass. Ah well. Sorry bout the bit of a flip out, I was acting on impulse from offense I took from some statements that I believe are rash and completel bullshit, but you've still always shown yourself to be a respectable person none the less on this board. At least in my experience.

Hempheadjack - Hahaha. Giving out the address to the stockton police was an awesome idea. ^.^ I would have loved to see them recieve a death-threat or something from a letter with an accurate return address.

Euphoric - Oh and here's a link just to show you I'm even more right. lol. http://www.avert.org/womstata.htm If you look at the chart aids from heterosexual contact is higher then from injection and more then 200 times from "Other/Unknown" which would include homosexual contact. Thats just in women though.

watever :p

pedpophilia is sick and disgusting but you cant say all gay are peds thats just irresponsible and as far as those with less than pleasant experiences with gays all i have to say as rude as it might sound ... get over it, holding hate in your heart really takes a toll on person.

[QUOTE=NurseGirl]

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I realize,that all gays aren't child molestors,but the facts show that the ratio for pedophilia is higher with the gay population,because of the proportional population ratio.


Do you know what you're talking about? Gays represent aproximatively 10-15 % of the entire population.

So, there's less gay pedophiles than straitght pedophiles.

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Howdy NurseGirl,

What I'm saying is,is that the rate of incidence,is higher because of the ratio of incidence to total gay population,results in a higher incidence ratio-compared to the ratio of incidence among the hetereosexual population,just because heterosexuals out number homosexuals,doesn't mean that there's necessarily a dominance among heterosexuals.

Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.

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Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.

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that's probably one of the most ignorant things I have ever had the misfortune to read. Come on, Torog.. you're better than that, man

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Given that homosexuality is based on un-natural desires and urges,homosexuality is predatory by nature,because Nature,does not provide homosexual partners..therefore,they must be sought out-whether they are willing,or of an appropriate age. Nature does however,provide plenty of heterosexual partners..thereby reducing the need for a predatory agenda.

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You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.

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Howdy juggalo420,

Well..I must admit-that ya made me laugh..thanx !

Have a great,Texas-sized , Merry Christmas !

Torog :D

Torog, I just find it interesting that your signature says "God bless those who choose to protect our freedom!" because from what I have seen you post it seems as if you'd rather people not have basic freedoms like say fucking who they want in which-ever hole they prefer.

I say if we ban gay marriage, I say fat people can't get married. Why? Because fat people are gross. It's a compromise! If we ban fat marriage, we can ban gay marriage.

--PP

And lets not forget interracial, its just unnatural for blacks and whites to marry...Adam and Eve were both white and we all know that the bible is an important part of the Constitution.

Black people weren't in the Bible, so we should just wipe them all out maybe? Or maybe they were the offpspring of the Nephillim?

Haha who knows. All men weren't created equal, so maybe we should take away suffrage too? I mean, Eve was only created because Adam asked God to do so. So Torog... technically what you say doesn't matter what you have to say anymore, please speak only when spoken to.

i chee wow wow,e whole lay,,i crumba,,,

Hahaha I'm just having a bit of fun.

I really can't wait for Torog to reply...

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im from massachusettes where gay marriage is legal im not gay but i support there right to marry.
what do you think.......for it
against it
care less
states right
for a constitutional ban

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i am persoanlly an advocate of the heterosexual agenda, except for girls,that hot. :D i think recreationally, if thats the way people feel like making, love, what the hell, its their body/life. Persoanlly i think gay marrianges are counterbenficial to the continuance of eh human race, but hey, at least this way if homosexuality is genetic it will stop nearly short haha.

buit i wont stop tehm i have nothing against them as people. I have many homosexual friends with whome i can have intelligent and intersting conversation without awkwardness, i am above that.

politically i think the governement should stay out of the bedroom. they cant regulate whether married heterosexual couples have anal sex so they should stay out of the lives of those who want to marry same sex partners.

~pura vida doods~
~(pussy)seeker~

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that's probably one of the most ignorant things I have ever had the misfortune to read. Come on, Torog.. you're better than that, man

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Howdy Ghost,

I'm boiling things down to a nitty-gritty level,in an attempt,to expose the primary,basic,motivator factors,of homosexual behaviour at base,emotional and physical levels. The Human species,has a basic instinct to reproduce and perpetuate it's self. Homosexuality,is contrary to that instinct,so what I'm postulating is,is that instinct in homosexuals,is twisted and translated to heightened levels of promiscuity..which is why I characterized this component of homosexual behaviour,as predatory.

My opinion,as a Christian,is that homosexuality,is both un-natural and un-holy. I view marriage,as a holy institution,that requires an oath to be faithful to a member of the opposite sex,with God's Blessing.

One of the major goals of the homosexual agenda,is convince society,that homosexuality is normal..marriage is one such institution,that they have deemed a major venue of attack-in their quest to remold society,to their way of thinking. Even civil unions,may be too much of a compromise.

Have a good one...Torog

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Howdy Ghost,

I'm boiling things down to a nitty-gritty level,in an attempt,to expose the primary,basic,motivator factors,of homosexual behaviour at base,emotional and physical levels. The Human species,has a basic instinct to reproduce and perpetuate it's self. Homosexuality,is contrary to that instinct,so what I'm postulating is,is that instinct in homosexuals,is twisted and translated to heightened levels of promiscuity..which is why I characterized this component of homosexual behaviour,as predatory.

My opinion,as a Christian,is that homosexuality,is both un-natural and un-holy. I view marriage,as a holy institution,that requires an oath to be faithful to a member of the opposite sex,with God's Blessing.

One of the major goals of the homosexual agenda,is convince society,that homosexuality is normal..marriage is one such institution,that they have deemed a major venue of attack-in their quest to remold society,to their way of thinking. Even civil unions,may be too much of a compromise.

Have a good one...Torog

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Did you ever think that homosexuality is an attempt to slow down human reproduction? There are too many people on this Earth, even God could see that if he does exist. He knows with the more people, the more greed will flood the earth. If marriage is such a holy institution, then why do heterosexuals get divorced so much? The bigotry such as yours is WHY they must remold soceity's minds into think homosexuality is genetic and not a choice. I bet they wouldn't be homosexual if they had a choice, which is why many of them are so self loathing at first. This question is a little inappropriate and maybe a bit personal, but did you ever practice pre-marital sex?

How is homosexuality unnatural if it's genetic? Why does it matter if it's unholy? We are ALL sinners, face it.

Homosexuality has been found in other species of animals...
unnatural?

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And lets not forget interracial, its just unnatural for blacks and whites to marry...Adam and Eve were both white and we all know that the bible is an important part of the Constitution.

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You must also be predatory by nature because nature doesnt provide that many ignorant red-necks.

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Wow. That was really funny. ^.^

A girl stuck her finger up my but once, i didnt find it revolting.
It was a risky fun sensation....

I'm not homosexual. I don't find guyes attractive.
IT WOZ ONCE!!!
AHHHHH!!!

Omg im to funny!. I'm gonna take a hit, brb.

C

I'm all for gays to have the same rights as my hederosexual self has. Equal rights ARE NOT special rights!

The whole thing about gay marriage is that it shouldn't really matter if you think gay people are sinners or whatever, because your personal religious beliefs shouldn't overrun the government. People say that marriage is a "sacred institution." If this is true, which it very well may be, then it should not be sanctioned by the state. You can't have it both ways: either Christians can restrict marriage for certain people on religious grounds and not have marriage recognized by a secular government or they should open marriage up to any two consenting, un-married adults. Personally I think we should give Christians marriage and refuse to legally recognize it, and then institute a civil union type thing for both gay and straight couples wanting to be legally bound. A Christian couple could get both, a gay couple could just get the civil union. That might quit everyone's bitching. It really doesn't matter to me what homosexuals are doing with their spare time or in the bedroom, because it's really none of my business. I really don't mind if two people want to spend the rest of their lives together. It's not like you have to share a bed with them or anything. In conclusion, quit bitching, let them marry, have a good smoke, and chill the fuck out. There are more important things to be done in the world for a Christian than blocking people from marrying.

people dont choose to be homosexual, well for the most part, its mainly genetics. I dont understand how homophobic all these christian bastards are. Are they scared that if gay people start marrying, that they will turn gay themselves? For being christian, these people have A LOT of hate for A LOT of people, just because they arent like them, and dont believe what they do. That is ignorance, stupidity, and immaturity. Religion is not suppost to be about hate, but religion ALWAYS leads to war and confilct, just because two different religions dont agree with one another. That is the reason why i dont practice or believe in religion, cause its all BS. If these people knew how manipulated the bible is, im sure theyd start to realize its meant for control, not religion itself!

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you people reallythink i posted my address,,comeon,,that is a part of me that can just outrite mind fuck you as in (whoever wants to send me a hate notice,)it will go to the stockton police,,thats the address i gave,,now,the people i sent my pipes to,,they have my address,,and one more thing,if i ever went to jail,,i am dying of cancer,,ill kill anyone that tries that again,

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did u mean that in the sense that if they rapre u then they will get cancer? because that is fucking rediculous. you cant catch cancer from someone else.

o nevermind. i think u meant that you will literally be the one that kills them because u have nothing to loose. at least that makes more sense. idk...?

Yeah. You were right in the second post RaveDave

I THINK ITS FUCKIN SICK. IT WAS ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE.