Confrontation with Iran

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I think the fact that Russia and China are backing the new sanctions against Iran say's a lot. By denying the holocaust, sponsering anti-Jew cartoon contests, and repeatedly condeming Isreal, Ahmadinejad is begining to look like a modern day Hitler. Whether or not he has the military might or political strength to actually turn his rhetoric into reality doesn't matter. Nobody, except for some other radical Islamists, want to cozy up with with someone who essentially idolizes Hitler and the Nazis.

[I]i think your blind if you don't realize that we have "cozied up" with people who essentially idolizes Hitler and the Nazis. read some history. none other but our (America's) President's relatives are connected to funding Hitler's atrocities. Not only was Bush's grandfather the one who funded Hitler, but given the things that are happening today, Bush is more like Hitler than Ahmadinejad will ever be[/I]

Fortunately Ahmadinejad already has a lot of opposition within his own country. The more he alienates the rest of the world the more tenuous his position is going to become. I know a lot of Iranians(typically ethnically Assyrian and usually Christian) and they are very intelligent people. The people or Iran are not uneducated poppy farmers like the Afghanis. Muslim or not, I really can't believe they will accept being put into a position where the whole world is against them. At least I hope they won't.

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Yes, Ahmadinejad does have opposition from his own country, but he does allow them to protest and has actually was pleased that college students were expressing their minds in that way.

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

Yes, Ahmadinejad does have opposition from his own country, but he does allow them to protest and has actually was pleased that college students were expressing their minds in that way.

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In July 1999, Ezzat Ebrahim-Nejad was shot dead in Tehran University dormitory by a member of Basij military force. The event initiated a huge demonstration.

In 2001, a member of the Basij, Saeed Asgar attempted to assassinate Saeed Hajjarian a leading reformist and political advisor to reformist Iranian President Mohammad Khatami. Asagar was arrested and sentenced to spend 15 years in jail, but was released after spending only a short term in prison.

Human Rights Watch informs that the Basij belong to the "Parallel institutions" (nahad-e movazi), "the quasi-official organs of repression that have become increasingly open in crushing student protests, detaining activists, writers, and journalists in secret prisons, and threatening pro-democracy speakers and audiences at public events." Under the control of the Office of the Supreme Leader these groups set up arbitrary checkpoints around Tehran, uniformed police often refraining from directly confronting these plainclothes agents. "Illegal prisons, which are outside of the oversight of the National Prisons Office, are sites where political prisoners are abused, intimidated, and tortured with impunity." [6]
Basij - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure that the demonstration won't go unanswered.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Pangea

Some of you have mentioned a suicide army of Iran, with its numbers over 10million?! If this is true, the amount of damage capable by such an army is massive. I bet a suicide army of that size could come close to marching all the way to israel...israel would use tatical nukes to stop any major advance. Imagine the amount of death that can be brought about with 10million crazies running/driving with rigged explosives on there chests or in their cars. You hear stories often in the news about a hundred or so people being killed in a car bombing...now have 1000s of car bombs just pouring into Bahgdad. We would surely find out just how good our military is. If they could repel a unified force of that many suicide bombers, well it says alot for technology.
Im skeptical of such a suicide army existing though.

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two woman suicide bombers walking down the road
one says to the other does my bomb look big in this:)
sorry couldn`t resist
the us and the uk should realize that democracy dosen`t rule the world,
and should stop interfering in other peoples cultures and ways:rastasmoke:

detaining activists, writers, and journalists in secret prisons, and threatening pro-democracy speakers and audiences at public events." Under the control of the Office of the Supreme Leader these groups set up arbitrary checkpoints around Tehran, uniformed police often refraining from directly confronting these plainclothes agents. "Illegal prisons, which are outside of the oversight of the National Prisons Office, are sites where political prisoners are abused, intimidated, and tortured with impunity." [6]
Does this remind you of someone else? secret prisons outside of oversight by congressional leadership. How long untill we have the same thing on the streets of America? we certainly can not claim the high ground in this area any more. Our own Government condones these actions for "terrorists", how soon before activists, writers, and journalists face similar consequences. Orwellian reality is nearer than you think!

If Bush decides to attack Iran, it will destroy the fabric of this country.

Funneling all resources into another war effort with one already going on Iraq will be devastating. Bush has halted the progress of this country diverting resources away from serious domestic issues, healthcare, education, and stagnating process in banning stem cell research. Iran won't develop a real working nuke for at least another 10 years. It's reasonable to exhaust diplomatic channels before taking any action. But with Bush I'm afraid he's playing russian roulette with the US's future.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

If Bush decides to attack Iran, it will destroy the fabric of this country.

Funneling all resources into another war effort with one already going on Iraq will be devastating. Bush has halted the progress of this country diverting resources away from serious domestic issues, healthcare, education, and stagnating process in banning stem cell research. Iran won't develop a real working nuke for at least another 10 years. It's reasonable to exhaust diplomatic channels before taking any action. But with Bush I'm afraid he's playing russian roulette with the US's future.

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can you tell me who is realizing that this war effort is diverting resources away from the country?

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

i think your blind if you don't realize that we have "cozied up" with people who essentially idolizes Hitler and the Nazis. read some history. none other but our (America's) President's relatives are connected to funding Hitler's atrocities. Not only was Bush's grandfather the one who funded Hitler, but given the things that are happening today, Bush is more like Hitler than Ahmadinejad will ever be.

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Well, I dislike Bush about as much as I dislike Ahmadinejad but come on. I mean, yeah Bush is a fucking clown who has no business being President and has seriously fucked things up, but comparing him to Hitler?? That gives Bush way too much credit than he deserves. We're talking evil genius vs bungling idiot.

And as far as Bush's grandfather funding Hitler is concerned, I have read my history. His grandfather was the director of a company that, through it's investments, helped the Nazi's rise to power. It was a busniess decision, albeit a bad one, plain and simple. And it was before the world really knew what Hitler was doing. Not to mention the fact that what Bush's granftaher did counts about as much as what my grandfather did. It's ancient history and neither of us had a say in it.

Don't get me wrong, you're right, Bush is one of the Bad Guys. But so is Ahmadinejad, and far worse.Don't be such a fool that you believe that just because Bush doesn't like him means he's good.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

That gives Bush way too much credit than he deserves. We're talking evil genius vs bungling idiot.

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Yes, but he's an idiot with 10,000 nukes. And he's on a Mission From God.

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

Yes, but he's an idiot with 10,000 nukes. And he's on a Mission From God.

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Touché

Well, be thankful it's this idiot with 10,000 nukes instead of the idiot in Iran. We'd all be living in hellfire if that were the case.

Have a good one!:s4: