Please help! Droopy Plants

I don't know Jack but I fried the butt off some of my week old blueberry seedlings by starting out at 400/ppm and the ph was ok so they definitely sucked up SOMETHING... I generally start my seedlings off right away on 300/ppms...50/50 Cal Mag and Pro Grow....do not wait for several nodes and have never had them burn on that. I know there are tons of folks who say don't nute babies but I do...always have and will continue to. SO THERE:p :D

I do think the problem was in the ph....can't be hopping around like that. I really don't think there was any under or overwatering involved. I will, of course, immediately deny this if I am proven wrong....;)

well this sounds like the start of a healthy debate ;) hello all I was just checkin in I'd have to say I'm torn between both issues cause possibly 3.5 to 9 ph can't be good on top of the fact that some feel almost like lettuce rofl so that can't be good either...

Thankfully the ph is starting to even out and doesn't seem to have moved enough to lower yet it's still just below 6(maybe climbed .3 max) I've found that the truest readings in the drop test come from sunlight (kinda obvious) but there is only a very slight different from the incandescant?sp? bulbs so that's what I use 2nd

As they have resumed slow? growth(not sure if it's slow or normal actually the tallest is at 7 to 4 1/2 inches from original starter plug....5 to 2 1/2 from top of tank

I don't have a ppm meter so I'm not sure what ppm I'm running at I know the tap water was at 190 but the last one I ran through the britta

I do know that I'm at less than 100ppm nutes when you say 300ppm weed are you refering to just the nutes or the total ppm of the water? I guess if you were using distilled it would be 0 or very few ppm so it would be all nutes

Using the formula at 1/4 teaspoon for 5 gallons I should be at around 65 to 70ppm I took the volume of a 1/4 teaspoon vs the volume of total solution at 5 gallons and came up with that number so lemme know if I calculated it wrong

weed you sure 300ppm won't kill them? cause if so I'll definately put another 1/2 teaspoon in immediately and just make sure I keep an eye on the ph closely again

ok now as far as the pictures so far are concerned they were on my phone and crappy to say the least so once 12:00A rolls around I'll be posting 9 macro pictures 1 for each plant...hopefully the detail will help pinpoint what's wrong with these babies :D I can't wait!!!

PS is there a certain guideline for when to start moving the light closer or just let the girls grow up to it and then start moving it up from there?

Ok, don't change ANYTHING (except the ph!) if you feel it is working until your plants seem back to healthy again. There are many of the Big Names, latewoood among them who are very strong on no nutes early but that is the way I was taught by my hydro guy....and I know lots of the "hydro" guys who don't know anything but my guy's great luckily :D....so I can only vouch that it is how I do it and it has worked very well for me. I DID overfert my blueberries very young tho....Nitrogen....they turned a beautiful dark blue green color which I thought was lovely but was completely unaware they weren't supposed to do this and on my second grow I sprayed them as young seedlings with some seltzer water but forgot to check the ph (which was about 3)so there I was basically spraying these poor young leaves with acid, lol. This grow I have tried to kill them twice...once with molassas and once by picking practically every leaf that attempted to grow in the search for more buds. They are doing much better with me not touching them. (This is the growing theory equivalent (sp?) to I love to hit myself on the head with a hammer because.....)

Hence, my new sig. ;) :jointsmile:

Ok so I got through an entire day without the ph moving so I'll consider that a huge success it's still hovering just under 6...they have definately come back what looks about half way from whatever I did that hurt em...I have 9 pics like I said that I'll be loading which should have plenty of detail to get a definitive answer on some of the girls issues

I'm keeping my fingers crossed on the gender thing...probably still have a bit to tell that

oh the 5 with thinner leaves and lighter color are cindy99 and the short fat dark ones are some bag indica

Hi ASD,

if they are coming back (and they certainly look better to me) then sounds like keep the ph stable is your answer. I found that when in doubt it's safer to go with less nutes rather than more. Seems to me that overferting will kill them off alot quicker than under-fert but PH is the end all in hydro...nothing else will happen with your plants (well nothing good anyway) until that is correct. I'm not as strong as others on matters of room temp, humidity, water temp etc as I have personally not found minor changes in these things to affect my plants so.....

I would keep doing what you are doing.....your larger leaves look like they may be gone....if they do crisp up either pull them (later!) but the very top stuff isn't drooping so that's good. As many days as you feel the ph was screwy than that's roughly about how many days you should give them to recover before you start making changes again.

And I wouldn't get to dreaming about all your females quite yet....they have some growing to do. :D :thumbsup:

Just checking ph and water level is the only plan for the next 2 days...I think that feels like the right advice to me too...I'm going to let them keep showin improvement and that's bout all I can hope for I agree with you about those leaves they are like lettuce at this point but to help that issue I put the space heater blowing across directly the top of the aero tank where the plants sit...I'm hoping this will help the plants shed the extra moisture and now that I have a ph stable and very weak nute solution they can drink new water without getting fried...Now that I see them coming back so quickly I think I got the roller coaster issue resolved

Here's what I think and lemme know if something is obviously wrong or just because of some other issue but here goes:

I believe the first time I gave them nutes I put in the normal amount for soil this was 1/2 teaspoon per gallon I started out with this and they didn't seemed to almost shoot up like over night...I thought this meant they were under fed so after watching the whole day of super growth ( from what I thought) turns out it might just have been steady healthy production if I would have left it alone but I was told once you notice them start to grow you should go to more nutes by the local hydro shop and he told me ya feed the same in hydro as soil don't know how he missed this one especially considering aero is apparently lower still and then foggers which I guess are the lowest...I did some reading on this college students findings he was from maryland and related droplet size to 2 basic growth patterns...the ease of drinking and even distrabution?sp? of nutes he put it all kindsa ways but I think most simply put the smaller the drop size the more frequent the waterings and lower nute strength when ya get to 20 micron or less which is what I've found my sprayers to be they say you should keep them on all the time so hopefully we'll just see the soggy leaf problem clear up

I will load another pic of all 9 together from an angle to show em grow

Does anyone have an estimate of how fast they've experienced the plants should grow or a reasonable range when people say an inch do they mean an inch taller or one more inch end-to-end wingspan? And does a rooted clone grow much faster than one from seed? If it's a significant increase I'll have to think about tryin that

I'm feeling pretty good I just checked the ph and it looks to need a bit of down so I'm aiming for 5.5 to 6.0 I think I'll try to keep it just a hint of orange

See everyone later tonight

these look overwatered, lolz, if the ph isnt a problem anymore. droopy still?
droopy leaves arent a sign of fert problems, either under/over water. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference, i though my girl was getting to much water at night and she actually wanted more. So i mean leave it up to trial and error, if there still dropping cut back watering.

well the ph has leveled out pretty nice I've only had to put a bit of down in it today and it's holding pretty steady well it's climbing at about .3-.4 a day it seems at this point which is about ideal I guess if I want them eating...all new growth appears to be sturdy and healthy so I'm gonna give it another day or 2 before messing with them...if the few plants with droopy leaves persist I may trim those off and just crop those plants a bit later

I did notice some sections of brown roots and I was wonderin what the easiest way to treat them would be? I know I've read about untangling so they get air and it seems like it might have happened when the plant stopped drinking the poison I was pushin ;) is there a recommended root treatment to apply after getting them unwound? and I'm still curious to know what color people would shoot for the new growth to be I'm trying to gauge how close to get the light I know some pretty light greening is good and possibly a hint of yellow during new growth would be good? that's about it for now...my hope is that the next time I star changing things they'll be strong enough to handle my mistakes I'll post some more pics next night cycle

PH is still holding steady between 5.5 and 6.0 I haven't had to add any down or up in 3 days and after lowering the light today I noticed the plants drank a bit more water...if they drink this much again tomorrow I'm planning on giving some more nutes I've been busy with other chores and since they are lookin healthy I've tried to keep my dirty paws off em I'll post a few more pics tomorrow night for opinions on the droopy leaf issue on the plus side all roots and leaf growth(well new leaf growth) seem to be beautiful