The Miracle of Death

lmao like a very clever guy once said:

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wait! wait! wait! shuh! shuh! shu-hu!...
...the only reason we die... is because we accept it as an invenatability... AGHHHHHH...

- Stewie Griffin

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enjoy...

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

in this energy case... since energy can be destroyed (though not through natural means)... can a person's energy be destroyed and make them void?

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This comes as news to me... It seems to violate the whole notion of the conservation of energy.

Could you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

This comes as news to me... It seems to violate the whole notion of the conservation of energy.

Could you elaborate?

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i will double check this in my physics class (it starts in a few hours) but i think there is a clause in the conservation of energy that states it is refering to natural means b/c i think energy can be destroyed through certain nuclear means. i will double check and write back...

also, i read a journal and discussed it in a class about some mysterious loss of energy. what they did was create a laser beam with a thickness of only one electron (mad thin obviously). they then shot this laser through a tiny hole (not much bigger than one electron) and measured the energy coming through on the other side and it did not add up to the amount of energy being dispensed from the laser originally. they could not find where the loss of energy was occuring though.

this stemmed into many different theories including energy being lost into alternate universes and what not as they could not just conclude that it disappeared (from the law of conservation of energy) since no unnatural means were being used.

i will write back tonight after class... over a nice HOOT

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Originally Posted by afghooey

hazetwostep... I like your sig. :)

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do you like the flaming lips??? GREAT BAND! i just saw them in concert... one of the most amazing experiences of my life!!!

wayne, the lead singer, touches on morbid and negative topics that people don't like to talk about, but he does it in a redemptive way that brings light to the inevitable darkness of life. it really is beautiful... if you haven't heard it go to:

The Official Flaming Lips Website
- click on the audio tab towards the top-right of the page
- find the song Do You Realize from the album Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots

Haven't heard any of their stuff, but I'm definitely intrigued! I'll have to look into 'em. :)

write back when you do and let me know what you think...

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Originally Posted by afghooey

Junkyard:

I still do have some fear of dying, I won't deny that. I think a certain amount of such a feeling is instinctual, if we had no fear of death no one would live long enough to reproduce and we wouldn't be here. But I don't let thoughts of death tear me up like they used to.

I think the thought of nothingness is so deeply disturbing and heavy because we are taught to associate concepts of darkness, emptiness and silence to it. But if we break away from these associations and look at nothingness for what it is, there really isn't anything to fear. 'Nothing' is just a symbol that doesn't point to anything in particular. It's not something that we will ever have to endure.

In the words of Shpongle: Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.

Stoner Shadow Wolf:

I've been thinking more and more along the lines of animism, not perhaps in the traditional sense in which each object has a soul, but in which everything is alive. I remember in highschool biology we were shown a video that illustrated the many facets of life on earth, from single-celled microbes to complete ecosystems and biomes. I remember the narrator stating something along the lines of, "Although science has taught us much about life on earth, we have yet to discover the driving force behind life."

That struck me very deeply and I found myself very perplexed. That is a very big piece of the puzzle of existence that they claimed to be missing. But I think that, again, this is semantical confusion, that we've become tangled in our own symbols. LIFE does not have to be bound by its definition, by any prerequisites such as metabolism and growth. Rather than being some unexplained quirk in an otherwise dead, inanimate universe, I think life IS the driving force behind EVERYTHING. The things that we normally percieve as alive merely react to energy in a more complex way than those things that we consider inanimate, but at its most fundemental levels, everything is the same -- energy reacting to energy, reacting to itself.

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science cannot study the mind, the missing link to that which drives all of life.


from the immortal stone to the fleeting midge, all that exists has mind, is life, is aware, has consciousness.

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

in this energy case... since energy can be destroyed (though not through natural means)... can a person's energy be destroyed and make them void?

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life, (energy), cannot be destroyed, only change form and manifestation.

To me, I think we have a soul, weather it be pure energy or what ever.
I think death as being like a catapillar going in to its cocoon and going into stasis and emerging as a totally differant creature, a beautiful creature that when ready will fly away and NOT remember its life as a worm like thing that crawled around.
When we die and are placed into our casket i think we are released from our earthly bodies and we exsist on a differant plane of reality, not remembering what it was like to live the life of a meer mortal.
So to me death is a transfiguration.

lol i drug up ancient bones in the forum, but more to the point, i agree that death is an illusion, and only serves to change LIFE.