Circumsicion

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Originally Posted by BlueDevil

For the ladies that have sounded off on this topic, I'm just curious - how do you view the piercing of newborn daughters ears?

Also, I hear labia surgery is all the rage. Are women defiling themselves when they uh, adjust the bits n pieces? I realize that it's not a procedure done to infants, like I said I'm just curious. :)

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I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

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I take it you are also against all of the following:

Tatoos
body piercings of any kind
all cosmetic surgery

Am I correct?

Circumcision is obviusly a good thing. I really wish I had been circumcised.

how is circumcision good and why do you wish you were?

do you not take care of it properly? that's your fault, not the foreskin's.

for religius reasons if you really must know...
And no I'm not Jewish or Muslim.

No, I'm not against any of those things. What would make you think that? I simply think people ought to choose to do piercings and tattoos when they're past infancy, babyhood and childhood. And I don't believe there's much real justification, at least in developed countries with modern hygiene, for male circumcisions any more except for religious reasons. In the case of tattoos, I think kids ought to do those once their bodies are through growing but I also know a lot of folks who've later regretted tattoos. For people who want to have cosmetic surgery for a more balanced figure or, say, a face lift, that's fine, too. I probably won't do that, but others are welcome to and should have the freedom to do that. I do think some people cross the line into plastic-surgery obsession, however, and I've seen some ladies here in my area who're so puffed up and pulled that they don't look real anymore. That's a bit of a turnoff.

I have had pierced ears since I was 16 and have periodically given consideration to getting a small, discreet tattoo, but I'm not sure I'll ever go through with that. If I were younger and still showed my belly very frequently, I'd have a belly-button ring.

I honestly think that some of you guys don't read very thoroughly. You gloss over opinions that I generally articulate in a very detailed and clear fashion and then make the assumption, because you didn't actually take time to read what I'd written, that I was disapproving of something. At any rate, I don't disapprove of any of those things.

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Originally Posted by intrepidus6

for religius reasons if you really must know...
And no I'm not Jewish or Muslim.

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*and then god said let there be foreskin mutilation and so there was*?


something like that?


religious reasons have to have practical application or i will reject them as my own. not saying you cant, just that i cant without reason...



im not coming down on you or making fun, just asking one thing...


why does your religion condone the mutilation of infant boy's foreskins?

First of all my religion does not condone the mutilation of anything. At the biggening of time the gods circumcised the first baby male humans (who were also the children of the gods) as a ceremony to celebrate the beggening of Earth. It is a sign of respect to ancient costoms, and to the gods to circumcise male infants.

There. That is really more than I should be saying to just any random person.

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Originally Posted by Pipe Dreams

Yes, I am.

Also, keeps the dick cheese away.

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hate that dick cheese

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wooh, i dunno about that, cleaning your penis isnt too hard, i deffenitely have to stand by my self and say that circumcisions are no different than mutilation.

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Not sure what you dunno about, as no one here has suggested that cleaning a penis is tiresome or difficult. The presence of a foreskin does however complicate it's upkeep, whether or not you choose to admit it. Moreso if the male in question is say, at war, isolated, or unhealthy from some other condition, etc. I guess I should also mention that soap and water doesn't always reach where it should, and doesn't always disinfect to the degree it should. What holds true for a vagina also correlates to an intact foreskin, that being disturbing the body's natural pH can lead to problems, i.e., over-care can be just as bad as no care. Women don't douche daily for a reason.
Keep in mind that many men around the world don't enjoy the standard of living you and I are accustomed to. This includes access to clean running water, antibiotics, professional medical advice, etc. Look at the UN, now it's recommending circumcision to sub-Saharan males due to living conditions and HIV.

I've already articulated why circumcisions are quite different than female genital mutilations: there are physiological benefits to it, whereas with a girl getting her clit snipped there are absolutely none. Profound religious dogma is a prerequisite for removing a clitoris, not so with the foreskin.
A decision to view them as the same is an idealogical choice, not one supported by factual medical or cultural evidence. Sorry.


I'm damn glad I had it done when I was 3 days old, it makes sense but honestly I doubt I'd have the intestinal fortitude needed to just waltz into a clinic and request a blade be taken to my junk.
I think everyone should be a skeptic; doing something (especially body modifications) permanent in nature should be the result of common sense and some rational thinking, not dogma or hearsay.

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I don't believe in piercing babies' ears, but there are lots of cultures that do. I think that's another body modification that a kid ought to make the decision to do when she's older, like teenaged or beyond. We lived in Spain when I was a child, and all the little girls had their ears pierced as babies or toddlers. I begged and begged my mother to let me have mine done, but she refused. Now I'm glad she did.

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There's a lot of cultures that do far worse as well, I used this example as it is exceedingly common here in the States. Most mothers I've spoken to about it say they'd rather get it over while the newborn's immune system is overdrive and also because the neonate child won't remember a thing when it's grown. As it happens, these are some of the same reasons little boys get circumcisions. Trust me when I say being circumcised is more functional than having pierced ears. I've had both! ;)

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Yes, labia surgery is all the rage now! It's one of the largest growth areas in cosmetic surgery nowadays, at least for the doctors who do it. Designer vaginas, they call them. Women go in to have their labia made perfectly symmetrical and pretty, modeling their looks, I suppose, after popular porn stars. Or sometimes they do it after there's been stretching and tearing after childbirth, which at least makes a bit more sense. I see this as a completely unnecessary body modification, especially to such a private area, but the various plastic surgery shows on TV have helped make it all the rage.

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Yeah, freaky stuff, no doubt. But I'd like to think that if a woman can be concerned over the appearance of her genitals and do something about it, then a mother (not to mention the father) can be equally concerned about the appearance and health of their son's genitals.
Regardless, I feel the plastic surgery craze (which is growing fast and knows no gender barriers) should be the issue being debated if the word 'mutilation' is going to be thrown around.
I doubt anyone has ever had their life ruined by a circumcision, or developed an affinity for repeat procedures (yikes) which lead to poor health, disfigurement, or destitution.

I'm not and I don't have a big probelm, its not hard to keep it clean if you just take a shower.