Iraq on the right path

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Originally Posted by Ozarks

Lots of good news you never hear of but, for the Iraqis to win, the Capitol (Baghdad) is going to have to be taken control of.

That's going to be a bloody mess.

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we cant seem to secure uniforms. How in the heck are we going to secure a country?

dai*ma:stoned:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Just another thing I love about the left.......DEMANDS for answers to questions! But when you ask one in return it's like an empty theater........no answers at all.

Noun 1. arrogance - overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors
haughtiness, hauteur, highhandedness, lordliness
pride - the trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards
hubris - overbearing pride or presumption
domineeringness, imperiousness, overbearingness - the trait of being imperious and overbearing
condescension, disdainfulness, superciliousness - the trait of displaying arrogance by patronizing those considered inferior
superiority - displaying a sense of being better than others; "he hated the white man's superiority and condescension"
snobbery, snobbishness - the trait of condescending to those of lower social status


Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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me thinks you need to look up the word, dilusional.

dai*ma:stoned:

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Originally Posted by medicinal

And you think this was worth a trillion dollars and almost a million dead, you have a warped sense of worth, the place would be much better off had we never showed up plus our treasury would be 700 billion richer,

LMAO! Always yelling on how this is all about the almighty dollar/oil and make a remark like that. Now what word am I looking for.....hmmmmmmm.

and 3000+ more young Americans would be alive. Also we can't forget the 22,000++ maimed and wounded GIs, to free a few shiites, you're whacked!

What the hell, fuck the Shiites, fuck the Kurds....hell, if you were around during WW2 you could have added the Jews, Russians, mentally disabled, etc......all the folk that Hitler wanted to exterminate. That wasn't our buisiness. How many lives were lost, maimed?

And also, there would be no conflict with Iran if our leaders were responsible adults, grow up!

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No conflict with Iran? LOL!!! Do some reading about your precious Iran then maybe you'll grow up a bit. Iran doesn't only concern the U.S. but most of the world including the Sunni dominate regions of the middle east.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by daima

I hear that apple pie with a combination of the american flag will leave one senseless. :

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Wrong again.....never cared for apple pie myself; I lean more towards a French Silk. :D

VERY compelling arguements about the thread topic though........keep up that train of thought.:D

Also, apple pie and the American flag.......I started the thread below. I'd like to think that I'm not quite as narrow minded as some to the left in here.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=97547

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

What the hell, fuck the Shiites, fuck the Kurds....hell, if you were around during WW2 you could have added the Jews, Russians, mentally disabled, etc......all the folk that Hitler wanted to exterminate. That wasn't our buisiness. How many lives were lost, maimed? Are you on Drugs, what the hell does WWII have to do with Iraq. You've stated the only thing we've gained in Iraq for our trillion dollars and 3,000++ lives is the freeing of some shiites and kurds. BTW I was around for WWII, I was a kid and didn't know what was going on, but I was here. I think you don't have a clue as to what is right and wrong! I'll repeat this so you can learn something: This is a war for Profit period. The Bush-Cheney-wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-Etc. crowd could care less about the Iraqis, they needed a war to fill the coffers of Haliburton and subsidiaries, of which they definently have a monetary interest. If you are so adamat about the good we've done for Iraq, maybe you should go there and talk to the relatives of the 100,000-800,000 dead Iraqis and tell them how we've helped their country by getting rid of sadam, I'm sure you would recieve a reception, maybe not a good one. I still don't think you really are aware of the destruction this administration has done to their country and to ours, especially the abuse of powers aimed at our freedoms. Next time a view of any Iraqi town comes on TV, look at the total destruction of the buildings. 2/3s of the country are dirt eaters, meaning poor. they live in basically mud buildings, and we've been blowing them up in the name of Democracy. It is total insanity, if you buy into it, guess what, you're insane!

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Originally Posted by medicinal

If you are so adamat about the good we've done for Iraq, maybe you should go there and talk to the relatives of the 100,000-800,000 dead Iraqis and tell them how we've helped their country by getting rid of sadam, I'm sure you would recieve a reception, maybe not a good one.

Au Contraire, mon amie! The numbers you speak of remind me of the bodies found in the mass grave sites. But I would imagine that is just another conspiracy....right? The survivors of Saddams aggressions are definately thankful.

I still don't think you really are aware of the destruction this administration has done to their country and to ours, especially the abuse of powers aimed at our freedoms. Next time a view of any Iraqi town comes on TV, look at the total destruction of the buildings. 2/3s of the country are dirt eaters, meaning poor. they live in basically mud buildings, and we've been blowing them up in the name of Democracy.

Welcome to Iraqi Kurdistan.
Where democracy has been practiced for over a decade. It's not a dream.
It's the other Iraq.

The people of Iraqi-Kurdistan invite you to discover their peaceful region, a place that has practiced democracy for over a decade, a place where the universities, markets, cafes and fair grounds buzz with progress and prosperity and where the people are already sowing the
seeds of a brighter future.
http://www.theotheriraq.com/

It is total insanity, if you buy into it, guess what, you're insane![/COLOR]

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Oh ya, the WW2 thing. During that time half this country, the bleeding hearts, didn't want to get involved with Europe.

I'm insane now.......lol. Coming from you I'll take that as a MAJOR compliment.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

The people of Iraqi-Kurdistan invite you to discover their peaceful region, a place that has practiced democracy for over a decade, a place where the universities, markets, cafes and fair grounds buzz with progress and prosperity and where the people are already sowing the
seeds of a brighter future.
OK, Kurdistan is in the far north of Iraq, a small corner that basically was never involved in the main part of the war. The Kurds were pummeled by Sadam and would welcome anyone who would depose him. so I'll give you the kurds. Now on to the real Iraq, the part where all the kaos is. Tell me what good we've done there. Not trying to piss you off, but really, can't you see the destruction and killing we've done there has not helped anyone and has all but bankrupted this country, come on, put down your gun and lets talk. I gave you the Kurds, now you explain what good we are doing in the rest of Iraq. If you come back with a low blow. I'll assume you have no answers! BTW, I love a good debate, you must have some material to debate with, if you need some from me, let me know. I can show you how we've dessimated that country, and your scary face avatar does not scare me at all! You're probably a short fat bald man~LOL~

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Originally Posted by medicinal

OK, Kurdistan is in the far north of Iraq, a small corner that basically was never involved in the main part of the war. The Kurds were pummeled by Sadam and would welcome anyone who would depose him. so I'll give you the kurds.

:D

Now on to the real Iraq, the part where all the kaos is. Tell me what good we've done there. Not trying to piss you off, but really, can't you see the destruction and killing we've done there has not helped anyone and has all but bankrupted this country,

Bandrupt? hehehe.......here we go!! Hang on, it'll be a bumpy ride for ya!

After the Iraq/Iran war Iraq accumulated a sum of $120 billion in debt in which $40 billion was owed to Arab nations. The remaining $80 billion owed to the Paris Club, private investors, countries has had "debt forgiveness" to the amount of 80%-100% since 2003. Likewise, they have also made deposits in the tune of $10 billion into U.S. banks which fullfilled the agreements worked up with the IMF. The $40 billion remaining with Arab countries are now in debate/discussion.

One of the problems is that most of this so called debt was during the Iran/Iraq war in which it was stated to be grants in aid to fight the Shiite dominate Iran. After the invasion, they began to call this loans instead. Another matter is the currency exchange rate. In that region, the exchange rates vary from .29:1 - 3.29:1. Iraqs (pre-war) exchanged devalued to a rate of 4000:1. Shortly after the invasion and the introduction of the new Iraq Dinar the exchange rate dropped to 1500:1. The CBI has been artificially holding this back and as of recent the exchange has moved again to the rate of 1325:1 and is actually being traded in Kuwait at 1175:1. Recommendations by the IMF/World Bank and in agreement with the head of the CBI and the U.S. they would like to see this rate reduced further to a 1:1 on the U.S. dollar. They say that this will curb inflation, give more dollars for exports and lessen the cost for imports. Likewise, this will fall into the criteria that was insisted by the Arab countries for the remainder of debt forgiveness on the $40 billion.
I could provide links to all this but it would be quite an adventure. Alot of this I've posted in here.....with links. Their actually coming out of a state of bankruptcy created by Saddam and Sons.

come on, put down your gun and lets talk. I gave you the Kurds, now you explain what good we are doing in the rest of Iraq.

It used to be that Bagdad had all the electrical power/clean water/sewer systems but that has changed. These services are being equally divided throughout Iraq. There is also the restoration of the wetlands in the south. A new medical training hospital in Najaf. There are many, many improvements that you don't see on the ol' gloom and doom tube.

If you come back with a low blow. I'll assume you have no answers! BTW, I love a good debate, you must have some material to debate with, if you need some from me, let me know. I can show you how we've dessimated that country, and your scary face avatar does not scare me at all! You're probably a short fat bald man~LOL~

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Me and Alice Cooper are glad your not scared.:D
Short, fat, bald.........LOL..........6'3", not short.........255#, new crop gave me a major case of the munchies but should be back down to 245 in no time. Bald....LOL.....longer hair and thinning on top. Some call it migration, others thigh burns.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

It used to be that Bagdad had all the electrical power/clean water/sewer systems but that has changed. These services are being equally divided throughout Iraq. There is also the restoration of the wetlands in the south. A new medical training hospital in Najaf. There are many, many improvements that you don't see on the ol' gloom and doom tube. BTW, is not the "doom Tube" the way the majority of Americans get their news? That may be all good and well, but the whole deal in Iraq rests on Bagdad where approx. 10 million Iraqis are in complete fear for their lives every day. The only safe area is the green zone and only connected Iraqis and US puppeteers live and work there. Do you and your Bush friends really believe 20-30 thousand more troops will straighten out this mess, I and most other Americans really see this as a feeble attempt for Bush to save face, with no regard for our soldiers lives. This escalation will surely be met with increased violence. Bagdad is roughly the size of Los Angeles, If the majority of the population of LA were to uprise and go on a killing spree, do you think 30-50 thousand troops in the streets would Quell it, were talking millions of pissed off Iraqis. I'll tell you what. I'll venture to say this debacle will cost a thousand more American lives, wanna Bet! BTW, while we're building hospitals in Iraq, they're shutting down hospitals over here due to the influx of illegal aliens, Maybe we should get our priorities in order! What about re-building our crumbling infrastructure, That trillion dollars could have done a lot of good right here in the good old USA!

What I think is funny, is that none of you have actually been to Iraq... You guys are all going off what the media is telling you. Have any of you actually seen for yourselves what it is like in Iraq?

There is a term for people like you. "arm chair quarterbacks"

I don't think anyone is trying to say that everything is awesome in Iraq, but 99% of the time your only going to see the bad shit. It makes good news. How many times have you seen a fourth grader on the news because they got an "A" in math....??? How many times have you seen a fourth grader on the news because he brought a gun to school???? About every night on the news. Bad news sells. It's not necessarily Left or Right, but it sells. T.V. companies are a business, they are trying to make money. Unfortunately this shapes American minds.

Most of the terrorist in Iraq right now are actually Not from Iraq, so to say that the Iraqi people are fighting us troops is misguided. Listen, we can either fight those terrorists over there or over here.

I had a couple of my BEST friends die in Iraq. Guys in my platoon. At least they had a fighting chance. They were equipped, trained and felt like they were doing the world a good service. The innocent people who die in Any terrorist atack DON"T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE!!! How fair is that?

Terrorism is not going away... Its been around for thousands of years. Only within the last 40 years have they had the means to reach out and touch Americans. And they have. We can sit back and absorb blow after blow or we can try to do something about it. Take the fight to them. Iraq is a fucking mess. No doubt about it. But we can fight it here in America or there in the lions den.