oh come the hell on, it's just alot easier to say butane taste then explain all that....
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oh come the hell on, it's just alot easier to say butane taste then explain all that....
either way..... inhaling butane will cause cancer.... (no joke, even look at the back of any butane canister)
i dont think its that important...cause either way im still gonna smoke
straight up..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pshamous
It took a little while, but I put together all the answers.
What are you calling unburned butane?Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthesizer Man
The only time you have unburned butane is when there is no flame.
The flame can only exist if the butane burns.
What if all the butane doesnâ??t burn? Wonâ??t happen!
Hereâ??s why. Butaneâ??s molecular formula is C4H10.
The first to burn is the hydrogen, the blue flame. If you harvested the flame here you could say unburned butane.
But, you would not have enough energy to do Jack. Most energy comes from the carbon.
At this point, without hydrogen, Butane (C4H10) can NOT exist.
You can read about flames http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhotflame.html ; I try to keep from tasting my toes.
All that is left is carbon and here are carbonâ??s options:
â?˘ Carbon can burn once, carbon monoxide.
â?˘ Burn a second time, carbon dioxide, or
â?˘ Not burn at all, called carbon black.
So, how do these taste?
Carbon dioxide is tasteless and odorless (http://education.yahoo.com/reference...try/carbondio).
So is carbon monoxide (http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ntry/carbonmo).
Your hemoglobin likes carbon monoxide ~ 210 times more than oxygen.
With your hemoglobin preoccupied, you basically internally suffocate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning
You get plenty of this great stuff every time you burn. This is a fairly unbiased, maybe even pharmaceutical friendly, source of information.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...is_info3.shtml
Rolled cigarettes Marijuana Tobacco
Cigarette Weight (mg) 1115 1110
Carbon Monoxide (mg) 17.6 20.2
Probably the first time tobacco looks worse, that good old objective Media and Government always protecting us from the truth.
Back to butane, I ran my lighter for 20 seconds, weighing it before and after. It was a whopping 20 mg. If it were all carbon monoxide, I am better off than smoking a tobacco cigarette.
So, whatâ??s left? The carbon black.
This looks like the irritation culprit. This is the only statement I could find about carbon black and taste â??If while wearing a filter, cartridge or canister respirator, you
can smell, taste, or otherwise detect Carbon Black, or in the
case of a full facepiece respirator you experience eye
irritation, leave the area immediately.â?.
It is located here, www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0342.pdf , kind of a run for your life away from carbon black warning. But, the taste is not described. I would describe it more like an irritation in the back of my throat. My tongue is pretty much down and out of the way, not positioned well for tasting.
So you are saying you would rather lie about something, because youâ??re lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
Who is putting impurities in the gas?Quote:
Originally Posted by five0addict
This MSDS sheet states 97% butane, 1% pentane, and 2% isobutane. http://www.elpaso.com/msds/A0012C-IG Normal Butane.pdf
These are all alkanes which will happily burn into water and carbon dioxide with enough oxygen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkane
I could not find a study anywhere to support this. Could you give me a link so I read up on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRainDrop
My refill can says nothing about causing cancer. If this were true, every lighter would need the warning. Else, the manufactures would be exposed to endless lawsuits. I am not seeing that happening.
Remember clean butane is a plus for me. So, I invite your cross examination. Just make sure you put in links as I have, so I can check up on you.
what are uexpecting here...for everyone to start a "down with butane" rally or march? SOMETHING tastes bad weather its butane or the carbon or whatever it releases. i dont care what it is cause im not gonna change my habits one single bit no matter what knowledge someone spits at me. so i deem this thread....DU DU DUN <------> PoInTlEsS
No.
Just if you know why, you can fix it.
I will release something soon and I wanted to educate the Cynics.
By saying "unburned butane" I meant exactly that! :)
I meant butane that hadn't been exposed to naked flame. I used that term from the post before mine.
Well then I'm guessing my lungs wont be screwed from butane lighters I think
dudes, i think what this guys reasearch is saying, is not that a butane lighter produces no taste, but that that specific taste really has northing directly to due with butane, what you taste is a biproduct of the reaction with butane in it.
im pretty sure there isnt unburned butane as he explained in his post(dont remember if he cited that), burning butane is a very efficient reaction.
i dont think hes trying to convert anyone here, i think hes just telling you guys that what youre tasting isnt butane. nothing mroe than a sicence lesson.
also thats a pretty cool looking vaporizer, but youre overlooking the fact that human inhilation, isnt linear. sometimes theyll eb sucking harder than others, your tempurature may be less constant than you think! i use a similar style vaporizer, called the dominizer(google it), that is pretty much like yours, but without the tempurature loop, instead they use the glass rod to distance the green from the flame.
i DO also think, that you should make a version that can slide into a bong, becuase that would make vaporbonging VERY easy!
it looks like a cool gadget and it has potential.