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Ron why dont you hear of the ACLU saying shit now?
cause they are commie bitches...
of course i just looked it up........
so once again why waste your time trying to be clever? I am leaving out the name of my town....HAHAHAHAHAHAH funny shit.
did you think you were being that smart or i was that stupid?
haha.. i just cant win can i
for all of you who read the bible (rev. in specific)
it does say that the masses would believe the deception and that they wouldnt believe it even it was told to them
point proven???
that is what im telling you.......Quote:
Originally Posted by ronjohn420
why are you affraid to think that people want you dead?
Ron they want you dead...... do you want them dead? of course not your a good little bleeding hart, god fearing, liberal....
there not, Convert or Die. that is what is coming for our kids...not today.
im talking about our future.........it is hard to think like that when you are a kid
no bong that is where you are wrong....i have no problem in backing for a cause and dying for that cause as well.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
and if time proves you right and im wrong we will stand on that battleground together and die for our freedom....
but what im saying is that the "current war" is a lie, its deception to get us all to back the counrty in a war....
they (government/ bush/ chency/ esp. donald rumsfeld) have wanted this war for a while, but they needed a reason to get us behind it and support it, thats where the blame game comes into play.....thats where 9/11 came in, and it worked
but as you well know... the bin laden family is from saudi arabia and 5yrs later, we have never invaded them... first it was afganistan then iraq, and soon you will see iran..... they have nothing to do with 9/11.....
did al-queda (sp?) do it...... yes
are they a foriegn enemy?? NO
was the Al-Queda and the training camps funded by US money...? YES
ill explain in my next post
reply???
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
There was a lot of indirect contact with funding, arming, and training provided by the U.S. Government/C.I.A. through the Pakistani ISI. Congressman Charlie Wilson (R) handled/assured funding and was even able to swing deals garnering Israeli support (of all people/places!) for the Mujahideen. C.I.A. opperative Gust Avrakotos handled much of the footwork, including various weapons deals, as well.
"the CIA, as an organisation...", to that I would say the C.I.A. "as an organization" is at heart a "clandestine organization" who considers its most successful missions the ones in which they take (or are given) no credit.
You may also want to check out the name and/or official doccuments relating to Tim Osman.
Or, if your point was "in the 1980s, you'd see that the CIA, as an organisation, had little to no direct or even indirect contact with either Osama bin Laden or the group, Al Qaeda", their contact with bin Laden was officially documented in the mid 80's but "Al Qaeda" did not exist (by that name/form) till the mid to late 90's when we needed a "official name" for the group in order to attempt to hunt/prosecute them under existing anti-organized crime laws. We created/chose the name "Al Qaeda" (in reference to the database of Mujahideen fighters) for that purpose; it wasn't a name that bin Laden created (or even used) to signify himself or his followers then.
what you dont see is that WE dont know shit.....
what im say stratigicly we needed Iraq and Afganistan.. to fight the head of the snake.....IRAN did you look at a map.
If you were going to fight Iran where would you want to be?
why fight Iran you ask.
Cause they want Isreal gone....Nuked off the earth. We will not have that.
you are looking at the small picture....Im looking 50 years in the future.
In the 80s al quida didnt exsist cause Iraq hadnt overran Kuwait.......
When Us Infidels, went to saudia arabia, it pissed OBL off.... you dont even see the big picture again.
So yes there wasn al quida till the 90s post desert storm
you bong are a intelligent person but youre just putting your smarts in the wrong place, see #1 is that iran wanting isreal gone doesnt having busniess with us and we need to get out of it, and the bigger pic is thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
bush = oil tycoon
iran, iraq, and saudi arabia = 70% of worlds oil supply
70% of oil supply means big economical pull
which means POWER AND CONTROL
bong.... its just the truth
we are invading foreign soil, thats why they want to kill us
if they had hummers driving down your streets and killing our civillians, we would want to kill all of them also....
its just the facts....
oh speaking of facts
According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).
John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American ??black Muslims? were taught ??sabotage skills?.
The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained ??bin Laden's operatives? in 1989.
These ??operatives? were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.
The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called ??Operation Cyclone?.
In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services ?? MAK).
MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.
Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.
The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was ??partly culpable? for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.
"In 1979, Bush�s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden�s, in Arbusto.
"The Arbusto deal wasn�t the last time Bush looked to highly questionable sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz.
"Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had �no idea� BCCI was involved in Harken�s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: �The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken�all since George W. Bush came on board�raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.� Or even the president: Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush administrations.
You have a key relationship between the Saudis and the former President of the US who happens to be the father of the current President of the US. And you have all sorts of questions about where does policy begin and where does good business and good profits for the company, Carlyle, end?
C'MON BONG
THE BULLSHIT CAN KEEP GETTING DEEPER????
BUSH IS CLEARLY A DISHONEST GUY, HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS MAN
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Originally Posted by ronjohn420
Cant you see that even if we were in BED with some of those guys. They can turn ON US. cant you see that. Remember that pic of Rummy and Sadam?
Iraq was on our side once against IRAN. People change. Like when Saddam overran Kuwait...... we are like OK nut job...hes out.
They went Radical On us........ We are Infidels..... They are taking over France and Londonistan right now......cant you see it.
Why dont we just Take over the whole Area? and just pump the oil into USA tankers? It is about the oil, but not all about the oil.
Or create a democracy to trade with, that is a stable trading partner, Not some crazy nut jobs taking hostages, and such.
It is our Responsability as christians to stand next to the jewish people like they are Our selves. You are wrong on that one Ron. You are a smart guy to. You just need a decade or 2 to come around. you will though.