A question from a doctor. Need some info.

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Originally Posted by Dr.G.H.

Hello All,

Thanks for the responses.

Well seeing as how the patient smoked it for three months, I really doubt it was caused because it was first time use. Three months, non-stop, every day, several times a day, is hardly first time usage.

Laced with something, I initially thought of that as well. And it still remains a possibility.

From what Iâ??ve read (from the links provided) it appears to be a strain issue. From what I could understand is that Sativaâ??s induce a psychedelic type of response with space/time distortions (which the patient experience during his incident) and that Indicaâ??s induce a relaxed feeling with no interference with perception or panic/anxiety (which he was used to for the first three months).

Can anyone guarantee this is true (from personal experiences)? [Because there seems to be mixed responses]

Dr.G.H.

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Yep. A Sativa strain will affect a person's mind, resulting in a more energetic, but more psychedelic high. Indicas will affect the body, making a "couch-lock" high that is extremely relaxed. The way I remember is: Indica = In the couch.
Other than that, the best thing you can do is to make sure that your patient uses medicinal marijuana, that way they know exactly what strain they're getting, none of that "go into a dark alleyway and risk being stabbed to death just to find out that your bud has been laced with a lethal does of XXX drug and you are know going to die".

If the possiblity of a lacing is still on the table, it would have likely been PCP, a drug known for its disassociative traits.

And LIP, hairs and seeds do not actually contain significant amounts of THC but they are tell-tale signs of potency. Seedy bud is usually low potency because the plant has been pollinated and is wasting energy on reproduction rather than THC production. As for the hairs, their is a proven coralation between amount of pistilles and potency of bud.

Hi.

I have only used Cannabis once. I ate it, and in fact I ate too much. I experienced many negative effects similar to those listed in your original post. I have not used it since.

I think you should tend towards the theory that the new Cannabis was not laced (that is quite unlikely), but in fact it was much more potent and/or a Sativa strain.

I think it was just an overdose/bad trip. You can look at erowid.org and see that all those effects can be because of cannabis.

WOW, that sounds terrible. I couldent imagine that happening to me, that sounds like the second time be bought the marijuana it might have been laced with somthing. Since marijuana with lots of seeds isnt that potent, and he had such strong effects, that also may mean it was laced.

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Originally Posted by SpaceCaptainDimi

a real doctor wouldnt be looking for answers on a stoner message board

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a real stoner wouldnt be such a negative asshole either, so stfu ass

i would say it was either VERY potent weed(which is usually quite a bit more expensive) or laced, and lacing does happen more than some ppl think.

Smoking Cannabis can cause latent psychological disorders to become present in a small percentage of new users, although some things you described, such as time distortion, are normal and should not be seen with fear.

I'd say the MS and his experience are unrelated: If he has continuing problems he should see a psychotherapist for help. He also, obviously, should never use cannabis again.

Oh, sorry, didn't cite my source: The idea of latent psychological disorders and cannabis comes from the Wikipedia entry on Cannabis or somesuch, which I'm sure references another source if you must know, being a medical professional and all.

Yeah it was most definitely the change in strain that caused it. Indica causes a "body high" while Sativa causes a "mind high". Being a heavy cannabis user myself, there was one point where I had the same types of things happening after smoking chronic ($20 a gram, most the time sativa based). I would be walking and feel like my knees snapped and actually expected to tumble to the ground, thinking my face skin just slipped off my head, thinking my lung collapsed/ heart exploded, you name it. Along with extreme paranoia and constant panic attacks.

I had almost given up smoking weed all together but I kept smoking. What I realized is your mind has everything to do with it. I can now smoke as much weed I can get my hands on and not even worry about the same things. Just realize that you won't ever die from it and if you start trippin out (and it feels bad) just either forget about it and it will go away or change it. It really has a lot to do with the mental state of the patient. If their not able to keep controle then their likely to get scared.

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Originally Posted by Blazed and Confused

If the possiblity of a lacing is still on the table, it would have likely been PCP, a drug known for its disassociative traits.

And LIP, hairs and seeds do not actually contain significant amounts of THC but they are tell-tale signs of potency. Seedy bud is usually low potency because the plant has been pollinated and is wasting energy on reproduction rather than THC production. As for the hairs, their is a proven coralation between amount of pistilles and potency of bud.

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The "hairs" that are actually called pistilles do NOT have any effect on THC. THC is stored in the trichomes. The amount of pistilles, or colour means nothing.

I've been growing for a LONG time. Read up on it.

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Originally Posted by LIP

If you read what the patient had told the doctor he said he had a heavey feeling, his legs were heavey, and this comes from an indica strain. Maybe i read it wrong, or maybe no one on here actually knows what the hell they are talking about.

"Colored hairs on marijuana as well as no seeds usually means potent"

This statement proves my point about people obviously NOT knowing what they are talking about. Yes, if its sinse its normally stronger, BUT the "hairs" that are actually called pistilles have no impact on the strength of the THC in the trichomes, infact they are nothing to do with THC.

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I'm just saying, the whole pistilles/hairs are associated with good potent weed, obviously the percent THC is the actual determinator of potency. Unless THC crystals are on the outside and abundant, it's a lot easier to see colored hairs.