We are losing the War on Terrorism

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

I don't really like the phrase "war on terror", or "war on drugs" for that matter. Only Congress can declare war, and it hasn't, not on 'terrorists' nor on 'drugs'. So these aren't wars we're fighting, and I wish people would stop using that label. Skirmishes, battles, conflicts, okay, whatever, but not wars.

And if Congress did want to declare war, who would they even declare war on? Declarations of war have traditionally always been against sovereign nations, but there is no nation called 'Terrorism'. And if you name a specific *person* as that target in a declaration of war (Osama, for example), then if we kill Osama, would the 'war' be over? Of course not, as his number 2 would step into the leadership position and things would continue.

Also, when you are fighting a war, you have a set of realistically achievable victory conditions, and when those goals have been accomplished, the war is over, you won, and your soldiers go home. In this 'war on terror', what are those victory conditions? That no one left alive in the world will hate the Western way of life enough to perpetrate violence upon it? That's obviously not realistic. And yet...is that not our apparent goal? If so, then A) we are going about it the wrong way (more people hate us now than ever); and B) our soldiers will *never* get to come home because our goals are too unrealistic to ever come to fruition, no matter how long we wage this 'war'.

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Most excellent post. Whenever the Government starts throwing around the 'War on.." catchphrase, it always means a war on it's own citizens. i.e.... you and me

How about WW3 with Islam?

Sounds damn accurate............


Till moderate Muslims stand the fuck up,and say" you dont have to kill infidels"
There is no MODERATE Muslim..........

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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan

Thanks to Kerry and Fonda! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!

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There's a difference between reading about it...and being there.

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

There's a difference between reading about it...and being there.

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My Dad died in that fUcking war...........I will say what I want when i want


And NOBODY will tell me not to.................I have payed enough.


Jane Fonda should have been shot for sedition.....Fucking Left wing, whacked out, nutty bitch.............. BANG!!!!!!!!!!!




Thank you for your Service Sir............

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

..poor young dudes...dying ..everyday...I've seen this movie before... back in 1968.

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What were you fighting against in 68... Oposition to Communism?


DP..... were are fighting the worst enemy EVER... worse than Hitler even. Simalar too though

Muslims want us to live "like during the times of Mohamad".... Worship Allah BlahBlah

women wearing Berkas............and so on....

Convert Or DIE.........


This war makes VietNam seam Tame............No shit

...I only see things ..from the view of the poor young dudes...that's what I was...1968.

The pope reffering to a time when muslims were massacred for being non-christian was pretty stupid, I'm sure the muslims feel the same about that as jews do about hitler.

Not something you should quote if you don't want to piss off Muslims and certainly not a time Christians should be proud of.

As for Vietnam , that was never going to end well for the US, do they never learn that fighting a determined enemy on their own turf is looking for a kicking.
Afghanistan and Iraq will cost bigtime and anyone who thinks it's a smart move to occupy any country is imo dumb as fuck.
As for who started the war just take a good look at the history of deception and manipulation carried out by the west and maybe you will start to understand why the rest of the world is just a little bit pissed at Europe and most of all the US.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

The pope reffering to a time when muslims were massacred for being non-christian was pretty stupid, I'm sure the muslims feel the same about that as jews do about hitler.

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I don't know, what would you call a knock down drag out between Catholics and Muslims? "Crusades II: The Papal Instigation." I'd be in favor of arming militant Catholic clergy, only because I don't want to live in a world where Muslim culture wins... you know, that beheading in the public square, routine justice bull shit.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

As for Vietnam , that was never going to end well for the US, do they never learn that fighting a determined enemy on their own turf is looking for a kicking.
Afghanistan and Iraq will cost bigtime and anyone who thinks it's a smart move to occupy any country is imo dumb as fuck.
As for who started the war just take a good look at the history of deception and manipulation carried out by the west and maybe you will start to understand why the rest of the world is just a little bit pissed at Europe and most of all the US.

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We had thoughts like that..(the first part)......out on the perimeter..1968....we thought it was the weed...