Heed these words !

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Fengzi,

I believe in freedom of religious choice,however,at this time,Islamists are declaring their intent to enslave us all and subjugate us to their religion..and I ain't gonna stand for it ! :mad: Anymore than I would,if it were Christians doing such..all I want is freedom for all..is that too much to ask ? Is it costing too much to liberate others from brutal oppression ? How would you feel,if someone said that yer freedom,is too costly to fight for ?

Have a good one ...

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You say you're all for freedom of religious choice but it seems to me you support this freedom only if the "choice" goes along with what you choose.

You also mention "Is it costing too much to liberate others from brutal oppression ?" What oppression and do the people in question want to be liberated?

I too, have lived overseas in a country with a radically different culture and set of beliefs. While I was there I learned the language and immersed myself in their culture. I didn't just hang out with the local expat community which is what normally happens. What I found is that many things that we naturally assume everyone wants weren't wanted there. Aspects of their culture which we may find totally bizarre, or even upsetting, were perfectly normal and happily accepted there. And, aspects of our culture which we find normal and accepted were considered just as bizarre by them.

Bottom line, different strokes for different folks. There is no right or wrong, only different.

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Originally Posted by Torog

I will never cease to tell the truth about Islam and muslim-jihadists,especially after living amongst them,when I worked in Saudi.

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And I will never stop telling the truth about 9/11 and how it was used to bring about a dictatorship! You can count on that!

Your "freedom hating Muslim" theory just doesnt stand up. And tell your friends at the "you know what place" I said hi!

People: Notice in Torog's post how he says "the truth about Islam". It seems he thinks all Muslims are terrorists.

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Originally Posted by Myth1184

Seems to me the only income Pisshead has is advertising for those far left Tinfoil sites.`

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Umm, name one of the conspiracy sites which qualifies as "far left". Real far leftists (communists, anarchists and the like) emphasize rational critical thinking and have, for the most part, rejected the 9/11 conspiracy theories since there is no real evidence for them. We don't just make up things about our enemies and expect you to take our word for it; we are strict materialists. 9/11 conspiracy theories, you will find, are almost exclusively the product of reformist pro-capitalist liberals who dislike Bush and swallow up anything that makes him look bad.

Although, it should be noted, the 9/11 conspiracy theory is gaining ground in some groups on the right too. Obviously not the Republicans though, it's mostly extremist Christian groups who somehow feel that Bush is too left-wing for their tastes.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils...ver-up/911.htm

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Umm, name one of the conspiracy sites which qualifies as "far left". Real far leftists (communists, anarchists and the like) emphasize rational critical thinking and have, for the most part, rejected the 9/11 conspiracy theories since there is no real evidence for them. We don't just make up things about our enemies and expect you to take our word for it; we are strict materialists. 9/11 conspiracy theories, you will find, are almost exclusively the product of reformist pro-capitalist liberals who dislike Bush and swallow up anything that makes him look bad.

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okay. im not going to flame this time.... i just want a simple answer to a question

what happened here

true evidence

Regarding the Pentagon crash in particular, the U.S. military, headed by NORAD (North American Air Defense), had one hour and 23 minutes to protect the nation's capital after the first loss of communication with U.S. ground-control by an airliner on 9/11/01.

American Airlines Flight 11 lost communication with Air Traffic Control at Boston's Logan Airport at 8:14 Eastern Daylight Time. Federal Aviation Agency regulations require Air Traffic Control to immediately request military intercept in the event of loss of radar contact or radio communication with any aircraft. Yet the Pentagon was not defended by jets from Andrews Air Force Base (two Squadrons of F-16 or F-18 fighter-jets at this Base less than 15 miles from the Pentagon and White House were specifically charged with defense of Washington, D. C.), nor was it defended by the F-16s from Langley Air Force Base that somehow were flown at 1/6 of their 1500 miles-per-hour top speed, nor was it defended by its own anti-aircraft emplacements, when it was struck at 9:37 EDT.

Regarding other responses, the F-15s that were flown the 188 miles from Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, Massachusetts to lower Manhattan on the 9/11/01 morning were flown at less than 1/3 of their top speed of 1875 miles per hour, after NORAD finally scrambled them at 8:44 EDT, and these fighter jets were similarly late in intercepting United Airlines Flight 175, a Boeing 767, before it crashed into the World Trade Centers South Tower at 9:03 EDT.

One word: incompetence. Expecting the government to be perfectly competent at dealing with everything in every novel situation is just plain ludicrous. If the Bush administration couldn't and wouldn't use its vast conspiracy powers to fake some evidence of WMDs in Iraq, they can't conspire for shit.

"Fighter Jet codename Omega-5, this is Home Base. Do not speed up, I repeat, do not speed up. If you go at your top speed you will intercept the plane and save thousands of civilians! Over." —flight control

Our government is incompetent? What ever gave you that idea? LOL. Interesting, I think you've found something that you, I, and Ronjohn can agree on.

Anyhow, I was thinking something along the lines of simple confusion. Even if our government was competent (ha!!) I'm sure there would have been a considerable WTF? factor that day. It simply took a while, too long, for everyone to realize what was happening and how to respond.

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

I think you've found something that you, I, and Ronjohn can agree on.
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yes... my long awaited victory

ROLMAO

but on a serious note... if the saudi's "did" (*smirks) orcastrate the 9/11 disaster...

then we are still to blame for not allowing those fighter jets to do their job
save lives

and thus leading me to believe that bush is still bent on evil and wanted it to happen in the name of "the war on terror"

ps..btw bush was in sunny fla. with some elementry kids reading a book when 9/11 happened and didnt do shit...... (anyone seen farenhight(sp?) 9/11)

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Originally Posted by ronjohn420

and thus leading me to believe that bush is still bent on evil and wanted it to happen in the name of "the war on terror"

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That I can believe. I still firmly believe that the attack was planned and carried out by Al Qaeda. I don't think that there were any bombs in the towers or any of that other nonsense.

That being said, there is no doubt that George W Bush has benefited enormously, certainly more so than Al Qaeda, from the attack. I can't imagine that he'd be in the White House now if it hadn't happened. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he had some additional prior knowledge of the attack and, not realizing the extent of it, decided to look the other way. "Hmmm, a little terrorist activity is just what I need to get into Iraq"

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Originally Posted by Great Spirit

And I will never stop telling the truth about 9/11 and how it was used to bring about a dictatorship! You can count on that!

Your "freedom hating Muslim" theory just doesnt stand up. And tell your friends at the "you know what place" I said hi!

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I guess you didn't see the news today GS, your peaceful Muslims released a video tape today (from 2000 I believe) showing OBL (the one that didn't finance 911) meeting with some of the hijackers (that weren't there on the planes on 911) all having a real "murdering Muslim" love fest. The hijackers were saying how happy they were to be killing themselves, in the name of their God. (and murdering us Americans)

You should turn on the TV once in a while see whats happening in the real world.

In other words, those "murdering Muslims" you so mindlessly defend were on video tape on TV, world wide, saying they were responsible for 911 and proud of it.

It must be frustrating, very time you regurgitate this delusional nonsense reality "pops up" slaps you right in the head.

It's still not to late to pick up the yellow pages, look under "mental health services" and get some help.:thumbsup: