but police said she was 17 weeks pregnant...NIce muslim nice ....

Nice! Sounds more like another false flag event to corral the sheople in a HooRah for war........

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...nvert30ww.html

Shooting suspect was baptized
Just part of the enigma he proved himself to friends

Saturday, July 29, 2006

By SCOTT GUTIERREZ
P-I REPORTER

RICHLAND -- Those who knew Naveed Haq said Saturday that to them he was an enigma, a puzzle that they wish they could have solved before his deadly rampage in a Seattle Jewish center.

Stunned and saddened by the news, some of Haq's acquaintances recounted many of what they saw as the contradictions of his life.

He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.


He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.

Acquaintances said he never seemed the fanatic religious extremist he played out on Friday. Instead some think his anger was really directed at problems in his personal and professional life.

"Naveed had the profile of the guy who just couldn't get things together," said Erik Neilsen, a Richland resident who let Haq live with him for three months in 2004. He said he thinks several problems compounded for Haq, and he just exploded.

"I wish I could have done something about it. I look back in retrospect and say 'Is there anything I could have done.'"

Last winter, Haq began attending a weekly men's group meeting led by a member of the Word of Faith Church in Kennewick.

The group's leader, Albert Montelongo, said Haq started studying the Bible and in December he underwent a water baptism at the non-denominational church, performed by Montelongo. He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture. His father, Mian Haq, was among the founders of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in Richland.

Montelongo said Haq seemed depressed by the tension that had grown between him and his family. And he said Haq talked about suffering from bipolar disorder. But that he seemed to improve in how he coped with what Montelongo described as his own anger.

A few months after he was baptized, though, Haq stopped coming to the men's group meetings. Montelongo last heard from Haq in a message that said he was going to Seattle to find a job. He said he tried to call Haq several times but never reached him.

Then on Friday, Montelongo said he saw the news in Seattle and thought the man in police custody looked like Haq.

"I don't understand that. That throws me off from everything he was doing here," Montelongo said. "That blew me away."

"We'll be praying for him and everybody that was hurt in what happened, and everybody that's involved in it," Montelongo said.

At the Islamic Center of Tri-Cities, a senior member, Muhammad Kaleem Ullah, said that Haq stopped attending regularly after he graduated from Richland High School in 1994. He said Haq would attend off and on while visiting his parents and that he surprised members on a Friday two weeks ago with a visit.



"This is a totally sad day for us. This is the closest I've ever come to something like this," said Ullah. "What could have been going on in his brain has been very hard to figure out."

After high school, Haq enrolled in dentistry school at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., something his father encouraged. But after about four years of study, Haq decided to quit school and return home. That also created some tension between father and son, Ullah said.

Instead Haq went to Washington State University, where he earned a degree in electrical engineering.

Efforts to reach his family were unsuccessful.

In March, Haq was arrested for lewd conduct at a Tri-Cities mall. It was Ullah he called to bail him out of jail, because he was too embarrassed to call his own family, Ullah said.

The family was very distraught at Friday's events, Ullah said, based on a conversation he had with Haq's father after his son's arrest.

Haq apparently moved back and forth between Tri-Cities and Seattle while he was looking for employment. At one point, he told Neilsen, the friend with whom he lived for a few months in 2004, that he was working as a security guard at a Seattle area department store. Neilsen said he'd lost touch with Haq until about six weeks ago when he got an e-mail from Haq, saying his friend had started work at a Home Depot store in Everett.

He said it seemed odd that someone with a degree in engineering had taken an unskilled job. It seemed to him that Haq had trouble keeping steady employment and that he often lacked focus in his career.

Neilsen said he thinks Haq's issues with family, his religion and even his social life just compounded. He said he believed his friend wanted desperately to fit into mainstream U.S. society. But he felt like an outcast in his own family.

Neilsen, a fellow engineer, said he was deeply saddened at Friday's news.

"I've had conversations with him; he'd come over and we'd have a cigar in my back yard and have a nice talk. And all of a sudden, it's like 'What happened? What happened to you?'."



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â??Lone Individual'

New York Sun Editorial
August 1, 2006


The smoke had barely cleared in Seattle, where one Naveed Afzal Haq, a 30-year-old Muslim, killed one woman and shot five others Friday after taking a 13-year old hostage and forcing his way into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, when the effort began to tamp down the significance of the event. "The authorities said they did not think the suspect was acting as part of a terrorist group," said the New York Times, which quoted the FBI's top counterterrorism official in Seattle, David Gomez, as saying, "â??We believe at this point that it's just a lone individual."

Something similar happened when an Egyptian immigrant, Heshem Mohamed Hadayet, opened fire at the El Al counter at Los Angeles International Airport on July 4, 2002, killing two and wounding seven. An FBI official, Richard Garcia, was quoted at the time as saying, "So far we have no indication of any type of prejudice against any particular organization or nationality." FBI officials emphasized to the Los Angeles Times that Hadayet "had no known connection with Islamic terrorist organizations." The newspaper reported, "U.S. officials said it appeared to be an isolated incident unrelated to international terror."

The same sort of thing happened in New York when Rashid Baz, a Lebanese-born Muslim who opened fire on a van full of Yeshiva students on the Brooklyn Bridge on March 1, 1994, killing Ari Halberstam, a 16-year-old rabbinical student. The FBI initially, and erroneously, characterized the incident as "road rage." When, on February 24, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal, a Palestinian Arab, opened fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing one and wounding six, the New York Times reported, "the Mayor said the gunman's motive was unknown, and he cautioned against drawing any conclusions about terrorism or the man's Palestinian background."

People are starting to see through this pattern. Ari Halberstam's mother, Dvorah, called us about it yesterday, and Michelle Malkin had a broadcast on the Web site Hotair.com. No one wants to propagate bias or jump to conclusions. But whose eyes are closed here and who is jumping to conclusions? How many â??lone' individuals will have to open fire in how many American cities before the authorities abandon the reflex to assert that these are â??lone' individuals or isolated incidents and open their eyes to the possibility that they are part of a war in which understanding the enemy is a prerequisite for victory?


Most of you guys dont understand the enemy.

IF YOUR NOT MAD YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

The word Jihad comes to mind.


Put the emotions aside and think.

more info on the shooter.






Haq allegedly shot woman, then chased her up stairs, killed her
By Mike Carter, Natalie Singer and Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporters

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Naveed Afzal Haq was charged with nine felonies in the Jewish Federation shootings.



GREG GILBERT / THE SEATTLE TIMES

King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng announces charges against Naveed Afzal Haq.


When a gunman opened fire on women at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle last Friday, he announced the shootings were intended to make a statement.

Prosecutors who charged Naveed Afzal Haq on Wednesday say he did: Hate.

Haq, 30, was charged with nine felonies, including aggravated first-degree murder, five counts of attempted murder, kidnapping, burglary and malicious harassment, the state's hate-crime law.

"Make no mistake, this was a hate crime," King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng said Wednesday as he announced the charges during a news conference.

The charges provide chilling details of the shooting spree in which one woman was killed and five others were wounded. Prosecutors allege that Haq shot Pamela Waechter in the chest and then followed the wounded woman as she fled up some stairs. At the top, Haq allegedly reached over the railing and shot her again, killing her.

Maleng has 30 days from Haq's Aug. 10 arraignment to decide whether to pursue the death penalty. Aggravated first-degree murder is punishable by either death or life in prison without the possibility of release.

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The charges detail a number of anti-Semitic statements Haq allegedly made to other victims and to police dispatchers.

"These are Jews," he told 911 dispatchers in a recorded conversation. "I want these Jews to get out.

"I'm tired of getting pushed around, and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East," Haq reportedly said.

Maleng said Haq had identified himself as an "American Muslim," although friends have said he is a convert to Christianity. His family is deeply involved in Islam in the Tri-Cities area.

Making a statement

The charges say the shooting began shortly after Haq forced his way into the federation offices by sticking a pistol in the back of a 14-year-old girl who was visiting her aunt. He ordered her to open the security door, according to the charges. Once inside, Haq allegedly said, "I'm only doing this for a statement."

According to the papers, Haq followed the girl upstairs to a reception area and, when they reached the desk of receptionist Layla Bush, Haq asked to see the manager. The 14-year-old girl continued walking and went into a nearby restroom, locking herself in a stall.

What ensued was mayhem. Witnesses say Haq "readied his gun" â?? he was carrying two, as well as a knife, prosecutors say â?? and shot Carol Goldman in the knee as she attempted to call 911. "Haq continued to shoot, hitting [Layla] Bush in the abdomen and left shoulder and [Cheryl] Stumbo in the abdomen," charging papers say.

Moving through the office, the papers say, he shot Christina Rexroad in the abdomen and wounded Waechter in the chest. She clutched at the wound and ran up some stairs. Haq chased her down and killed her, the charges allege.

Employee Dayna Klein, the charges say, heard the commotion but wasn't sure what was going on. She walked out of her office and met the gunman face-to-face. He shot her in the arm "that she had a moment earlier put up to protect her unborn child."

Klein, the complaint says, crumpled to the floor and crawled to her desk. Haq had allegedly commanded that "nobody better call 911," but Klein did it anyway.

According to the charges, she handed the phone to Haq, who told dispatchers he was holding a gun to her head and announced Klein was a hostage, then began to rant about the Jews, Israel and the U.S. role in the war in Iraq and the Middle East. Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske has said Klein was a hero for defying the gunman.

"Haq said that the Muslims are very upset at you [the U.S.] sending bombs to Israel and very upset that you [U.S.] stay in Iraq," the complaint states. "Haq reiterated that he just wanting (sic) to make a point and was tired of everyone not listening to our point of view."
He demanded to be connected to CNN or other media. When dispatchers said it couldn't be done, Haq agreed to surrender, charging papers say.

He walked outside, where he was arrested by Seattle police.

Attack on community

In announcing the charges against Haq, Maleng called the shooting "heinous" and "one of the most serious hate crimes we've ever had in our community."

"The attack on these women was an attack on the Jewish community, not only in Seattle, but throughout our nation and the world," he said.

Haq was also charged with first-degree kidnapping for allegedly holding a gun to the back of the 14-year-old girl and first-degree burglary for allegedly breaking and entering the building, which was armed with a security system.

When asked Wednesday about Haq's reported history of mental illness and how it could factor into a case of first-degree murder, Maleng said "there is compelling evidence of premeditation" in the crimes. "There are many people who cope with mental illness" but who can still be held accountable for crimes, he said.

Though he said there is no evidence the shooting itself was an act of terrorism, Maleng said it is inexorably linked to political events in the Middle East and to the war on terror worldwide.

"It is the seeds from which the war on terror springs," he said. "The world has gotten to be a smaller place. We feel, here at home, the tensions of military conflict on the other side of the globe."

Updates on the victims

On Wednesday, a spokeswoman at Harborview Medical Center announced that Rexroad, 29, has been transferred from the intensive-care unit to a semi-private room. Rexroad, Stumbo, 43, and Goldman, 35, were listed in satisfactory condition.

Bush, 23, remained in serious condition in the ICU. Klein, 37, was released from the hospital Tuesday.

Michael Rexroad of Lake Stevens, Christina Rexroad's father-in-law, believes the death penalty is justifiable in the case.

"It was premeditated. Let the punishment fit the crime," Rexroad said. "He knew exactly what he was doing. He barged in and just started shooting. Whether the women were Jews, gentiles, Christians, it really didn't matter."

Haq is being held in the King County Jail without bail, after his original bail of $50 million was revoked. He moved to Seattle from the Tri-Cities area in 2004 in hopes of pursuing an engineering career. Instead, he ended up getting fired from the only job he could land, as a telemarketer.

In March, Haq was accused of exposing himself to a young woman at a Kennewick mall and was facing charges. His attorney in that case says he has struggled with bipolar disorder.

Jewish Federation leaders said Wednesday that they support the charges filed and are hoping for a "fair and speedy trial."

"We will be watching the prosecution closely, making sure each woman's energy and spirit is in the courtroom every day," said Robin Boehler, chair of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle.

More anti-Muslim propaganda! Hey...didn't the Nazis put out propaganda against the communists and Jews????

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I'll bet that guys getting all kinds of praise from muslims around the world.

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no I dont think so, Islam does not approve this kind of behaviour...In fact in arabic Islam means peace..
He only gave a bad name to Islam.....

No true muslim in heart would shoot out innocent people cause he is angry at Israel...

he may be a jewish person or some guy supported by jews to make muslims look bad and raise hate in Christian community against muslims..

U gotta always think the moto of that person, why would he do such thing knowing that he is gonna get arrested and get in lots of trouble..

But u can buy people to make this kind of actions,,, money is the best motivator..

When u read this kind of news think deeper, there is always another side of the story...

A lunatic is a lunatic wether he holds a bible koran or lord of the rings.

In the name of my Lord (sic)

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm

Flashback time...Not too many muslims will name their kids Buford---lol

SEATTLE - Five families with children who were shot or traumatized in a shooting at a Jewish center in California in 1999 have filed a $15 million claim against Washington state because the shooter was a Washington parolee.

The claim, potentially the precursor for a lawsuit, was filed Friday against the state Department of Corrections, which was then responsible for supervising Buford O. Furrow Jr., an avowed white supremacist with a history of mental illness.

Furrow, now 44 and serving a life sentence at the federal prison in Marion, Ill., had been out of prison for three months and was on probation in Washington at the time of the shooting spree Aug. 10, 1999 at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, Calif.

According to the claim, the state agency should have monitored Furrow sufficiently to prevent him from accumulating the weapons he used, failed to obtain his psychiatric records and assess his mental health, and should have given more attention to court records of his close ties to hate groups.

The Furrow claim seeks $3 million for each child - Joshua Stepakoff, now 13, Benjamin Kadish, now 12, and James Zidell, 13, all of whom were hit by gunfire, and Joshua Kadish, 16, and Nathan Powers, 11, who were described as hard-hit psychologically.

"For us to be able to protect our family, we have to depend on our government," Alan Stepakoff, 53, father of Joshua, told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer by telephone. "I'm hoping that this will make the government ... hold up that trust."

An agency spokeswoman would not immediately comment on the legal action, saying agency officials had not yet reviewed the claim. The state has 60 days to respond before plaintiffs can file the case as a lawsuit.

Michael E. Withey, a lawyer for the families, said the statute of limitations involving minors in such cases is within three years of when they turn 18.

"By filing this claim ... we hope to make sure this never happens again," Withey said.

Stepakoff said his son needed counseling after being hit by two bullets, one barely missing his spine and the other tearing through his leg. The sound of helicopters, a reminder of the police response, would reduce him to tears. Entering eighth grade, he writes often about the experience for class assignments.

"It's hard to know what kind of kid he would be like today or what our family would be like if we hadn't had these events," Stepakoff said.

A lawsuit filed by victims against the manufacturers of the guns Furrow used was dismissed last year under legislation passed by Congress to exempt gun makers from liability in firearms-related crimes. The lead plaintiff was Lilian Ileto, the mother of Joseph Ileto, a postal worker Furrow fatally shot shortly after leaving the Jewish center.

Before the shootings, Furrow had served eight months in prison, as well as time in a mental hospital, after he threatened a mental health worker with a knife. He had no prior criminal convictions.

He told police he was a white supremacist who had been experiencing homicidal thoughts but was classified by prison officials as a moderate risk requiring midlevel supervision when he was released, records show.

In the wake of the shootings, then-Corrections Secretary Joseph Lehman said in a department memorandum and in an interview with the CBS Television show "60 Minutes" that an internal investigation showed warning signs that should have alerted Furrow's probation officer, Patrick Gosney.

"We were not aware of the extent of Furrow's involvement with hate groups," Lehman said.

Had department officials taken Furrow's white supremacy ties into consideration, he would have been classified as a maximum risk, according to the recently filed claim.

A department report quoted Gosney as saying he knew of Furrow's white supremacist orientation but not that he was involved with the Aryan Nations or any other specific group.

Withey said such evidence was readily at hand.

"Not only were there red flags, they were in their own files," the lawyer said. "It's like being told that Washington state allows its community corrections officers to be bamboozled by neo-Nazi, gun-toting nuts."

For example, Withey said, one of the mental health workers whom Furrow attacked told a corrections officer for a presentencing report that Furrow's wallet contained an Aryan Nations membership card and other white supremacist material.

Furrow also was briefly married to Debra Mathews, the widow of Robert Jay Mathews, founder of the neo-Nazi group The Order, a violent offshoot of the Aryan nations. Robert Mathews died in a gunfight with federal agents on Whidbey Island in 1984.

say Cahous Clay............ Mohamad Ali

One before fucked up Islam, One after


Here is some more Information

Seattle shooting victim a convert, leader
Rabbi calls Pamela Waechter 'an inspiration'
Associated Press
July 31, 2006


SEATTLE â?? The woman killed when a man opened fire at a Jewish center converted to Judaism when she was married, then became more active in the Jewish community than her husband.

Pamela Waechter, 58, rose from secretary to become president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue from 1988-90.

Bill Waechter, who remained friends with her after their divorce, recalled loud, shouting meetings of the temple's board that took place in their home, while he was in the other room watching television.

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"I'd hear her give her opinion, and everybody would shut up and listen," Waechter told the Seattle Times. "It was amazing how she would command the attention of all these old guys."

Police say Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday afternoon and began shooting, killing Waechter and wounding five other women. He was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder.

A Muslim from the Tri-Cities area, Haq told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel.

On Sunday, between 100 and 150 Jewish leaders and teachers met with city officials and police at the Jewish Community Center on Mercer Island to discuss mutual support and security, said Robin Boehler, lay leader of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Another meeting on security is planned next month, she said.

Similar concerns were being raised around the country. In Pittsburgh, Mayor Bob O'Connor ordered increased police protection for Jewish facilities.

Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah said Waechter's death is a loss to the Jewish community, not just his synagogue.

"I think of her as an inspiration," Mirel said. "I know there will not be a day for the rest of my life I will not think of her."

Pam Waechter grew up in Minneapolis as a Lutheran, the daughter of a businessman. She and her husband moved to Seattle in 1979. After raising their two children, Pam Waechter graduated from the University of Washington with a degree in nutrition.

Before joining the staff at the federation, where most recently she was director of the annual fundraising campaign, Pamela Waechter worked for four years at Jewish Family Service, where she managed a food bank and served as an emergency services caseworker and volunteer coordinator, according to the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle's Web site.

In her eight years at the federation, Waechter's jobs included outreach coordinator, director of special events, and various fundraising posts, the Web site said.

In both her paid and volunteer work, she was known as a mediator, always bringing a calm, balanced approach to problems.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Pam stepped in to protect other people," said Marshall Brumer, a past president of Temple B'nai Torah in Bellevue. "That's the kind of person she was."

Friends recalled her sense of humor. "She had this great droll wit," said David Martens, who knew her for decades. "She was just a lovely, beautiful woman."



THis GUy needs to be tried and SHOT.................Shooting pregnant women... I would kill him with my bare Hands. Im that fucking pissed EG.


It happened down the fucking street from my HOUSE EG..........Killing ion the Name OF Islam.............


EG please.............you cant see it you are as blind as a BAT. NO blinder than bat.

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ITS CALLED JIHAD...........GET IT THROUGH YOUR LEFT WING HEADS

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Even crazier than the actual event is that it was barely reported on here in Washington state. If you blinked, you definitely missed it.

Guess it wasn't politically correct enough.

PC is going to Fucking kill us