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01-31-2005, 02:57 AM
meek mike

this email pissed me off

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Originally Posted by buddha

Who really gives a fuck?

This could have said it all.

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If that one top guy for their religion says that their imaginary almighty friend doesnt like it they cant either.

Because I'm a Christian I write this. Why can't people like yourself be more tolerant of others beliefs. I mean come on man, have any of the Christians here said something about what you worship or don't worship. I haven't ready anything like that. But people like yourself feel it's ok to dis people of faith. You should have stopped with your first sentence cause at least then you could have seemed like an intelegent guy. Why did you feel the need to dis people with faith? For real WHY?

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Now thats some shit my laws are being controlled by what a guy says another unknown unseen person said to him.

Did you even go to school. Even second graders know that the laws are controlled by congress not some religious person. Remember church and state seperate. Come on.

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Thats somthing to think about not what words are put where but how much these massive groups of dullisional people change your everyday life.

You need school friend.

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One more thing when the united states voted for making marijauna illegal im sure the vote was swayed by whatever the pope said.

You smoke the stuff but you don't know jack about it do you. Research why it's illegal. I'm sorry I forgot who I was talking to let me help you.

Click below my sentence:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi...faq1.shtml#2-1

Hopefully you read and learn something.

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Originally Posted by buddha

Fuck your god he did this.

But wait you don't believe in my God. But some how he came and did this. I rarely do this but sometimes it's needed:

FUCK YOU BUDDHA!!!!

My God made weed for man kind. Man kind AKA: ASLINGER and FRIENDS took it away.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
01-31-2005, 09:22 AM
buddha

this email pissed me off

Well mike im usually not so blatant in what i think but that post just really brought out my good side. Well lets get started shall we? Oh first i would like to say that i did go to school and actually graduated 1 year early... maybe thats cause im a fucking moron. But school has nothing to do with knowing if theres a god common sense is what is needed to see the truth.

Why did i insult your faith? well the thing is i wasnt really trying to insult anyone i was just saying exaclty what it is to me. If someone is claiming to know this person and you cant see hear or sense this person in anyway whatsoever what would u call that person?

And then i find it funny that after this statement you insult me. I guess thats just how religious people are, contradicting.
So ill ask u the same question did u even go to school? Even second graders know that second graders dont know what the gov is about. But im sure that was just a feable attempt to add more of a sting to your insult. Seriously that wasnt very smart to say either ok so let me get this straight the congress controls the gov. What happened to voting what happend to that 86% of americans believe in god? We have a peoples government what the majority of people want is what goes. That is what i was getting at. come on.

Massive groups of dullisional people change your everyday life.... So very true and very sad. Lets put it this way do u know what a gang is? Just a bunch of people who have each others backs with a common belief. Fuck me do u have a better definition for religion. I know youll have a defense against but i know u can see my point. If theres a few poeple pushing for somthing others will join and as long as people are pushing it, it will get bigger. Chrsitains had 2000 years. With that amount of time i could get alot of people to join any group. Charles Manson could have been the next jesus given enough time.

Gotta admit that last burn was a good one. Thanks for the site i actually know quite alot about cannabis and could probably match wits with you on the botany and horticulture side any day.
Anyway once again you didnt seem to read what i wrote u just put an answer againts it because what i said was against god. Did u read the site u sent me i did and this is what i thought was particularly amusing....

"there was a very popular movement called Prohibition, which made alcohol illegal. This was motivated mainly by a Puritan religious ethic left over from the first European settlers."

The masses control the laws. Back then it was puritans. Today catholics are changing, molding the world to fit what this god wants when what this god wants changes every couple hundred years. You know what im talking about the cardinals sit down and decide what the bible was REALLY trying to say. Maybe snip out what doesnt sound good, change a word here and there. What i was trying to help you open your eyes to is that the pope controls how people vote in our country he has a HUGE influence i would know since my mom wont vote untill she hears the popes view on any major subjects that might disturb "the almighty one". Wich brings me to this.

Fuck your god he did this. Your god is the one who made my mom a fucking raving lunatic who forced me to join a catholic school and leave all my friends and get confirmed when i didnt want to. Just a few examples of how your god affected me. Yes your god did this to millions of people around the world lives are affected because of peoples inability to let go of this imaginary friend. Im not trying to insult you thats just what it is to me. To you its a being to follow to the grave... eh to me its sad.

Fuck you buddha! (laughter) i dont care because i havent dedicated my life to that word just to relize it means nothing. Then continue to grasp in the dark because that word is the only thing ive ever known. Another good point.. my mother wanted to become a nun... so she knows her religion. I almost cried when i was having a conversation with her about faith when i asked a few questions and just watching her try so hard to make reality fit into her fake reality was terrible. I dont talk with my mom about god ever anymore because its not fair for me to tourment her with the truth that she cant accept. Its apart of her now god is apart of her. God is what she uses to cope instead of being real and looking at problems with sense, she gets on her knees and asks some one else to fix her problems. And so do thousands of other people all around the world everyday. I see it more of a disorder then a religion. So yes one more time imagine me screaming this in your face FUCK YOUR GOD HE DID THIS!

Now wait before you explode with grief because i have disgraced your faith so much. I would also like to say that people believing in god isnt a bad thing it makes people want to be "good" and set up charities and all that. But it also advocates denying many things that could make this place a better one if so many under ONE werent against it. I just dont like the fact my world is affected by your god, your faith. Im not a slave to a god that doesnt exists.
01-31-2005, 09:31 AM
buddha

this email pissed me off

Shit and how the hell can you say that god made weed for man. Smoking does bodily harm. End of story you already broke a commandment. But ill keep going.. doing it is against the law would god really want you to break the law? Another it makes you want to over indulge why would god want you doing somthing that harms your body and makes you want to break more of his rules. OH i forgot people can make up whatever the fuck they want to be their religion as long as they have a god and a few people behind it.
01-31-2005, 04:52 PM
GHoSToKeR

this email pissed me off

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Originally Posted by meek mike

Even second graders know that the laws are controlled by congress not some religious person. Remember church and state seperate.

Mike, come on, bro.. You're certainly intelligent enough to know that, especially in America, Church and State are not seperate.

Firstly, you call yourselves 'One Nation Under God'.

In the recent Inauguration of Bush, the word 'God' was used many times.

In the Inauguration they even had a Christian saying a prayer to Jesus.

George Bush Sr has gone on record saying that atheists should not be considered citizens, and should not be given the same rights as theists. If Daddy thinks that, then what does GW think?

Come on, you know Church and State arent seperate, not in the US, not nowhere.

The legalisation of stem-cell research and abortions are being blocked by governments all over the world, and dont tell me its not because of religious reasons. If Bush wasnt a Christian would he have the same opinion of Cannabis smokers, pro-abortionists, and such? All over the world, governments are making and breaking laws, and those decisions are, on the whole, affected by the majority religion of that government.

Its ridiculous to claim that Church and State are seperate.
02-01-2005, 05:36 AM
meek mike

this email pissed me off

Buddha-

First I would like to appoligize for my rude comment last night you knwo the whole fuck you part. I work long days 16 hours a day and last night I wasn't in the best of moods so when I wrote I was already pissed off and I guess my anger got vented towards you because of the whole fuck your God comment. I shouldn't have reacted like that but I did so I ask for forgiveness. But I do like a good debate so I will rebutal your post.

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Well lets get started shall we?

Man after my own heart.

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Oh first i would like to say that i did go to school and actually graduated 1 year early...

I apoligize for that comment. I know your an intellegent person and to hear that you graduated a year in advance make me a little hesatent about this debate. But congrats for jumping ahead in life. You deserve everything that comes to you for your hard work.

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maybe thats cause im a fucking moron.

I don't think you are and I'm sorry if I gave that impression.

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But school has nothing to do with knowing if theres a god common sense is what is needed to see the truth.

Your right school has nothing to do with that but.... if you can't prove that God doesn't exist it's not a truth that he doesn't. Common sense tells you that just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

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Why did i insult your faith?

That is a good question I was wondering that myself. Or did you mean how. If you meant how it's beacuse you flat out said fuck your God. Thats why I flipped out like I did.

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well the thing is i wasnt really trying to insult anyone i was just saying exaclty what it is to me.

I didn't mean to kill that kid while driving. I meant to go straight home but I guess I didn't. Your excuse doesn't fly with me. Later when I get to your mother part of your post I will show you why you did mean to insult people of faith. It is your opinion but unlike what I did you where sneaky about your insults. At least I'm blunt about mine.

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If someone is claiming to know this person and you cant see hear or sense this person in anyway whatsoever what would u call that person?

I liked how you put that one. It makes my job in this debate/rebutel very easy. I can't see Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't sense Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't hear Sum Young Gal in Asia but I know she's there so I'd have to answer your question with Over There.

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And then i find it funny that after this statement you insult me. I guess thats just how religious people are, contradicting.

How am I contradicting myself. I never said I wouldn't insult you. What I did say was

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I mean come on man, have any of the Christians here said something about what you worship or don't worship.

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So ill ask u the same question did u even go to school?

Yes, but I didn't study or pay attention to much. Graduated with a 2.1 gpa. I suck at schooling. I'm more of a learn by experiance type.

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Even second graders know that second graders dont know what the gov is about. But im sure that was just a feable attempt to add more of a sting to your insult.

Your right I was writting out of anger. I apoligize.

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Seriously that wasnt very smart to say either ok so let me get this straight the congress controls the gov. What happened to voting what happend to that 86% of americans believe in god? We have a peoples government what the majority of people want is what goes. That is what i was getting at. come on.

Your right again. I apoligize. I was not in the right mind set last night. Didn't smoke all day thats why. Sorry. But one thing. I'd feel safe to say that most of Americans don't care much about if weed is leagel or not but it's still illegal isn't it. So not everything the people want goes through. One more thing look at legeal abortion. People of faith are against it but it's still legal isn't it. I think my point trumps your but it's very very close.

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Massive groups of dullisional people change your everyday life.... So very true and very sad.

Why not be tolerant un like I was and just say "massive groups of people with faith change your everyday life." speaking like that could cool down alot of tempers. But I can't say anything cause I do it myself. Except I say things like "you people" or "people like you" etc....

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Lets put it this way do u know what a gang is?

Yes, I've been a member of two. One in Phx and a fake ass one in KY.

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Just a bunch of people who have each others backs with a common belief.

Your def. is not true. I have know many gang members that didn't hold the same beleifs as the other members thats why I say the one I was in in KY was a fake ass gang. They only wanted to make money not watch each others backs. Although I was the forth in a B and E and they didn't rat me out when they couldn't get away from the cop cars like I did. Well one of them did but a jack ass member rated him out and not me.

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Fuck me do u have a better definition for religion. I know youll have a defense against but i know u can see my point.

I do see your point so I will not rebutal this statement.

Ok this is going to be long so I'm going to skip some of it. Just and FYI.

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Gotta admit that last burn was a good one. Thanks for the site i actually know quite alot about cannabis and could probably match wits with you on the botany and horticulture side any day.

Thanks, I knew that was a good one when it popped in my head. I did read teh part about prohabition but it was before I got angry about your post so I didn't think of it before posting. So that was a good find and good point you got on me.

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"there was a very popular movement called Prohibition, which made alcohol illegal. This was motivated mainly by a Puritan religious ethic left over from the first European settlers."

That was a good one. Great job.

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What i was trying to help you open your eyes to is that the pope controls how people vote in our country he has a HUGE influence i would know since my mom wont vote untill she hears the popes view on any major subjects that might disturb "the almighty one".

To my knowledge there is only one Jesus faith group that follows or even cares what the pope has to say and that the catholics. So even though I see your point it doesn't really apply because there are more people that don't care what the pope has to say then there are people that do care.

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Fuck your god he did this. Your god is the one who made my mom a fucking raving lunatic who forced me to join a catholic school and leave all my friends and get confirmed when i didnt want to.

I know people who really do have a raving lunatic for a mother. For real mental ward mother and they have more respect and sempathy then you do towards your mother. Just because your mother believe something you don't you admit to antaganizing (sp?) her. You mother cares more about you then you know and you call her a

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a fucking raving lunatic

You should go and kiss your mom right know and tell her how much you love her no matter how you feel about her personal religous beliefs.

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eh to me its sad.

I could say the same about you. I think it's sad that some people don't have a mother or father and you take yours for granted because your mother believes in God and you don't. I find that really sad.

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Fuck you buddha! (laughter) i dont care because i havent dedicated my life to that word just to relize it means nothing.

I'm sorry I said that.

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I almost cried when i was having a conversation with her about faith when i asked a few questions and just watching her try so hard to make reality fit into her fake reality was terrible. I dont talk with my mom about god ever anymore because its not fair for me to tourment her with the truth that she cant accept.

So have you found a way to prove God doesn't exist? You haven't, I guess that doesn't mean your beliefs are the truth. Is it fare for you to say she can't accept the truth when you haven't any truths or proof of your truths.

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God is what she uses to cope instead of being real and looking at problems with sense, she gets on her knees and asks some one else to fix her problems.

Even though I don't know your mother I don't think she ask God to fix the problem. I think she asks God to help her deal with the problem in the right way. At least thats wht I do when facing money problems, work problems, marriage problems, kid problems. It's good to admit you can't handle everything cause if you feel you can handle everything the fall or failure it becomes much greater and much harder to get over.

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And so do thousands of other people all around the world everyday.

No doubt they do, but what you think they are doing most aren't. Cause most understand that God helps out but he doesn't just fix things. What leasons of life would we learn if he did that?

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I see it more of a disorder then a religion. So yes one more time imagine me screaming this in your face FUCK YOUR GOD HE DID THIS!

I'm not in a bad mood today so it doesn't bother me.

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I would also like to say that people believing in god isnt a bad thing it makes people want to be "good" and set up charities and all that.

No it's just a funny thing to you that you feel ok to make fun poke at and be untolerant of if they are of the faith.

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But it also advocates denying many things that could make this place a better one

What does it deny?

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I just dont like the fact my world is affected by your god, your faith. Im not a slave to a god that doesnt exists.

I do and don't see how it affects you. I see Christianity being targeted in America. I hear millions of people using the name of my God as a curse word. I see history being taken down in capital because it goes against what someone thinks and believes in. I see others religions being taught in the school while Christianity is highly banned in most schools. I see teachers being fired because they say something about the Christian faith why aithists, agnostic, new agers, etc can freely talk and not fear being fired.

Like mothers say "everything in moderation" but like the new america says "everything in moderation except Christianity".

Be tolerant of others beliefs don't dis them or there God because you don't believe the same. Don't call people dillusional, lunitics, etc because they believe something other then you. Very simple. Debate, rebutal but do it with out being a sneaky with your insults.

Rev. Micahel T
Soldier for Christ
02-01-2005, 05:41 AM
meek mike

this email pissed me off

Ghost-

You right.

The line between church and state is way to thin to call a line sometimes.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
02-01-2005, 10:13 AM
GHoSToKeR

this email pissed me off

oh man, im so glad your reply to me wasnt as long as your reply to buddha.. ive gotta go to work in an hour, i wouldnt have been able to read it all lol :p
02-02-2005, 09:10 AM
buddha

this email pissed me off

Well mike your the shit. Im glad you chose not to continue with the pointless insults because i doubt i would have been the one to stop first. Im still rather immmature but im young so im allowed to be. I would also like to aopologize its seems we just both came to post on bad days. I just spent too much time around this person who just didnt even know what or why he believed he just believed in god as a back up, you know the person, he believes he could do whatever he wanted without remorse then simply ask forgivness and live forever as long as he goes to church. This person put no thought into his faith at all just seemed to follow it as a fad as many christians seem to do today. Im sure its not the only religion that has people like this but this one ive seen first hand. Its often hard for me to comprehend how people cant see what i see but people think the same thing of me. I guess thats why life is so crazy. Also a sign to me why god doesnt exists.

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Your right school has nothing to do with that but.... if you can't prove that God doesn't exist it's not a truth that he doesn't. Common sense tells you that just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

I actually believe theres proof a god doesnt exists its just somthing im still working on.

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I didn't mean to kill that kid while driving. I meant to go straight home but I guess I didn't. Your excuse doesn't fly with me. Later when I get to your mother part of your post I will show you why you did mean to insult people of faith. It is your opinion but unlike what I did you where sneaky about your insults. At least I'm blunt about mine.

Saying fuck your god i can see as offensive. To me though if you say fuck what i believe no emotions come up in me because i am not attached to my faith like you are you love your god your faith basically i just know mine. And i wasnt trying to be sneaky about my insults i tried to make most obvious.

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I liked how you put that one. It makes my job in this debate/rebutel very easy. I can't see Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't sense Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't hear Sum Young Gal in Asia but I know she's there so I'd have to answer your question with Over There.

I dont like your some young asain girl anology. I do like an asain girl but.... if this girl was really apart of this universe actually apart of eveything in this univerese she would be able to be sensed by some means. This is a moot point though. I would just like to say that scientists have broken down the very building blocks of this universe and now know what it is composed of they now think they might be made of particles even smaller than nutrinos(proton,electron,neutron) but unless the next smallest particles are a white haired glowing man this is almost proof enough god doesnt exists. Hes in everything right how could we break evetrything down without finding him. Well fuck that is also up for debate as some could say hes apart of our soul somthing that cant be sensed by our worldly sesnses and the soul could also be up for debate so this this can wait for a whole other thread.

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How am I contradicting myself. I never said I wouldn't insult you. What I did say was

Well what i meant by saying you were being contradictory was that christians arent allowed to be rude to their brother but your faith explains this well in with sins. I dont believe i should feel ive broken any rules or feel bad for hurt feelings when it sosmthing that i do naturally when insulted myslef. Another resaon i dont understand your faith why would god want us to not do so many things that just come natural almost by instinct not free will. But i do not like starting pointless arguments since its simply not productive.

No people of faith have never ridiculed what my beliefs are at least not you or anyone here so i didnt have any reason to speak as bluntly as i did. i just dont get offended by words they mean nothing to me. Now im not saying if some one calls me a pussy bitch and says i fight like a girl in front of a hottie im with im not saying i wont completly shatter his skull. Its that people cant say things like your stupid or fuck that this and another thing. i guess im trying to say the only way some ones words are going to get a reaction out of me is if its a challenge a straight up call out or just somthing really stupid. Hearing that god exists does bother me though because to me its just another boundry people put between ourselves. The song imagine by the beatles descirbes these thoughts well. i like the version by a perfect circle. Which oddly enough brings up another reason i dont believe, if there was a god an entity that was apart of all of us and everything and this being was our father and creator how wouldnt he be able to at least be able to get the point through to us that he is the one and only. The devil may be able to use our free will to tempt us towards sins but certainly he cant be strong enough to blind us from our creator who mind you can do EVERYTHING which is a word our minds can not even grasp. I can understand him not being able to sway us from sin but not being able to let us know he is actually there. just doesnt fit together.

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Yes, but I didn't study or pay attention to much. Graduated with a 2.1 gpa. I suck at schooling. I'm more of a learn by experiance type.

Im nothing to be intimidated by i think i graduated with a 1.8 probably not that low but terrible. I actually graduated early because i got sent to a prison/reform school in mexico for smoking weed. Where the school was independant self paced. But im in college now with a 4.0 so its all good.

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I'd feel safe to say that most of Americans don't care much about if weed is leagel or not but it's still illegal isn't it. So not everything the people want goes through. One more thing look at legeal abortion. People of faith are against it but it's still legal isn't it.

Yours totally trumps mine but an ernormous amount of people ive ever met who are really againsts marijauna believe in god. With abortion... its probably legal because alot of people who do believe in god are all (sinning) getting pregnant and wanting abortions. And we all know quite a few of todays believers in america dont really stick to what they believe at all or even try very hard to. Not that just people who believe in god are having casual sex but certainly they are not excluded. And sex is already legal making abortion seem kinda ok to younger generations especially mine. Kinda like if hemp was already legal it would most likely help with the legalization of sensimilla.

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Why not be tolerant

Well thats how i really see people i guess dillusional is a little harsh but i really do see people who believe in god to have some sort problem with accepting reality and therefore buildings these boundries wich just brings trouble to every one. <--- (how i see that it affects me) they arent in the right state of mind, waiting for signs from a god when really the way they should come to conclusions is through good ol brain power. But this goes into a whole different theory i have on god and how one came about. I think god could also just be a way for people to thuroughly think things through.. to meditate or pray when it involves god. So they see this relaxing feeling you get during meditation as a feeling of being near god and then you get answers suddenly when really it was just relaxation and your own brain. And from there get used to this process as talking with god because thats what it was introduced to most people as.
[QUOTE=meek mike]I have know many gang members that didn't hold the same beleifs as the other members thats why I say the one I was in in KY was a fake ass gang. They only wanted to make money not watch each others backs.[/QOUTE]

Beliefs was the wrong word to use. Just a common cause money was theirs in some cases gangs do have same beliefs but in cases like this the money was the common belief and if someone got in between the money or what they had their eyes on they would team up to get it. In the church case of catholics joining together and making whole groups to worship together and in the old days stomp out other religions. Exact same things gangs do now its just on a more subtle scale of poeople trying to convert others its less violent. Funny thought if religions started out how gangs are now maybe in a couple thousand years cryp and blood will be religions. Gangs even do have defferent sects such as the west side longos and east side longos could be against each other when really they came from the same place.

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group that follows or even cares what the pope

True the number of people is small these days but it still proves my point that people will just listen without more thoughts of their own first because if they disagree its hell. I mean thats how all religions are setup if you disagree in anyway your fucked enternally sounds like a good way to trap people to me.

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Just because your mother believe something you don't you admit to antaganizing (sp?) her.

Seriosuly my mom is crazy thats why i got sent to mexico and explains many other unfortunate events that have occured in my life. Not just because she believes in god but because of events that have happend to her in her life but i believe her view of god is what really caused trouble for me. Such as mexico incident... i had been caught smoking weed numerous times she even told me herself she had no idea what to do but then one day she heard some verse in the bible that pointed to sending me to a prison in mexico. Come on 95% of the kids who got sent to this place all had felnoy charges i had a misdmenor for parphenalia that my mom reported on me. she also sold my car while i was in mexico because of a sign.

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You should go and kiss your mom right know and tell her how much you love her no matter how you feel about her personal religous beliefs.

I hate my mom. I dont hate her because of her faith i hate her for being such a bad mother and putting me through such emotional and physical anguish. I do respect her as a my mother though i will never tell her that i hate her because she did bring me into this world and at least kept me alive and ill even admit teach me a few things. So telling her how i really feel or what my real thoughts on many things are would just cause her uneeded pain for her when saying what i really think brings me no reward anyway.

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I think it's sad that some people don't have a mother or father and you take yours for granted because your mother believes in God and you don't.

Hating my mom is far deeper than religion. She was a good example of how misplaced faith can affect others, many others and how your god personally affects me even though i dont even believe in him. Thats how saying f your god isnt a direct insult in my eyes its what feelings i have towards your god who i dont even believe in but still affects me. god does have an entity on this earth even if there isnt a divine one his entity is in each individual who believes and then a combination of all believers.

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So have you found a way to prove God doesn't exist? You haven't, I guess that doesn't mean your beliefs are the truth. Is it fare for you to say she can't accept the truth when you haven't any truths or proof of your truths.

Someday i know the proof will be proof somthing new is proven everyday just a matter of time in my eyes. And i know that at least i put more thought into my beliefs while my mother has always believed always undoubtfull. Thats how she was raised she was pretty much taught to believe in god. Thats why most people cant put up a good defense on what they believe if one at all.

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Originally Posted by meek mike

Even though I don't know your mother I don't think she ask God to fix the problem. I think she asks God to help her deal with the problem in the right way.

I still dont think that people should be taking random coinsidence phrases as a sign from an all knowing power as a go ahead on somthing you havent put thurough thought into. I guess thats why they call it faith. But thats also why it bothers me so much its cool by me to have a gut feeling to do somthing but there are alot fo people who dont they just follow these signs.

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No doubt they do, but what you think they are doing most aren't. Cause most understand that God helps out but he doesn't just fix things. What leasons of life would we learn if he did that?

Even so i dont like being around people who just believe somthing will happen or work or come true just on faith and not real systematic break down and solving of the problem. But on this subject i still think god mgiht just be apart of peoples subconcious that they feel is god but really them coming to their own conclusions as i said before. i say this because i have many tried many types of maditating and all have basically the same effects on the mind and body.

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No it's just a funny thing to you that you feel ok to make fun poke at and be untolerant of if they are of the faith.

Didnt really see where you were going with this not tied in with the quote anyway. Im just saying all religions do have their good sides are most are made with good cause but still add these barriers and differences while changing the way people think and come to conclusions.

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What does it deny?

Everything i like to do perhaps? Evereything that is fun and good to me. Evereything that makes me happy. Now i completely agree with the seven deadly sins they say gluttony is bad but i love to stuff myself i just think i dont go too far and gain 400 lbs to where i have to fork lifted off my couch for a bath im fine. Lust is one of my favorite sins it just cant take over to where u jump into bed with anyone and get diseases and then spread them to every one else. i see the seven deadly sins as good guidelines as to what not over indulge in but indulge in as long as it doesnt bring down your own or anyone else quality of life. Wow i just found a perfect way to say what iv been trying to. People who believe in god work more for the life after this instead of working for this life now. If we were all on the same team i think the world could be better for all. Shit religions seem only to be bringing war these days. What happened to the good old days when they said tehy were gonna start feeding the hungry?

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I see Christianity being targeted in America

I know because religions are a seperating factor between people. And yes its unfair whats happening right now because the government is just trying to please people but thats how it is when people have these stupid little things to fight over such as race religion and continent. If people relized that this life is what we have they might decide to start working harder to make it a better world and live a better life than assuming theres somthing after and suicide bombers never would be heard of again. Just IMAGINE listen to that song even if u know what it is listen to it again and actually try to imagine.
02-02-2005, 09:18 AM
buddha

this email pissed me off

I didnt even check over this much it took long enough to write so im sure its fucked up in a few places hope u can still understand me.
02-05-2005, 05:58 AM
meek mike

this email pissed me off

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Well mike your the shit.

Thank you, I feel the same way towards you. It's few and fare between the people that are like us. We disagree with each others view points but we are tolerant of each others views just as long as we are not mindless people that just follow what some want them to follow.

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Im still rather immmature but im young so im allowed to be.

Your holding your own on the maturaty scale.

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I would also like to aopologize its seems we just both came to post on bad days.

It's odd to me at times when I hear things like that. As you know I am a spiritual person. I even put at the bottom of all my posts Soldier for Christ. I see things as spiritual battles. When I hear you had a bad day as well to me it seems like we were set up by someone or somethings to see how we would react and if we would in deed battle. We did but all the insults and bad reactions we quickly turned around the next post throwing that whole trap layed by someone or something right out the window.

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you know the person, he believes he could do whatever he wanted without remorse then simply ask forgivness and live forever as long as he goes to church.

I have meet many people like that. In fact for a moment in my life I felt the same. If I didn't come across this verse I might still be in that mind set. The verse I refer to:

Galatians 5:13 (The Message)

It is absolutely clear that God has called you to a free life. Just make sure that you don't use this freedom as an excuse to do whatever you want to do. Rather, use your freedom to serve one another in love; that's how freedom grows

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I dont like your some young asain girl anology. I do like an asain girl but.... if this girl was really apart of this universe actually apart of eveything in this univerese she would be able to be sensed by some means.

Your right it was a poor analogy. I didn't think about the whole God in everything aspect before writting my anology.

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This is a moot point though. I would just like to say that scientists have broken down the very building blocks of this universe and now know what it is composed of they now think they might be made of particles even smaller than nutrinos(proton,electron,neutron) but unless the next smallest particles are a white haired glowing man this is almost proof enough god doesnt exists.

Your right they have looked deep into close to everything. Even though I don't agree with the writters view on the topic I do believe they have found a God gene in people. Again I don't agree with his view so I put up the article very hesetently so don't use to much against me cause I haven't even read all of it:

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http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101041025/

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Well fuck that is also up for debate as some could say hes apart of our soul somthing that cant be sensed by our worldly sesnses and the soul could also be up for debate so this this can wait for a whole other thread.

I was going to mention the soul but I can't even prove it exists as I can't God so I agree thats a whole other debate I'd rather not get into.

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Well what i meant by saying you were being contradictory was that christians arent allowed to be rude to their brother but your faith explains this well in with sins.

What you wrote is a slight truth. We as Christians shouldn't be rude cause it gives us a bad name when they find out your Christian but there are no rules like don't be rude, always talk nice, etc. The Bible tells us to Love our neighbor and thats what we should do but being rude isn't mentioned. I do apoligize if I was rude though.

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I dont believe i should feel ive broken any rules or feel bad for hurt feelings when it sosmthing that i do naturally when insulted myslef.

I agree it come natural to me to be a smart ass. It's very hard to stop. But there are no rules saying we can't. It just makes our cause/religion look bad. Just like all those Christians with Jesus bumper stickers. I can't stand it when I see one on a car that just cut me off then gave me the bird. It just gives Christians a bad name because they have that logo that shows they are Christian.

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Another resaon i dont understand your faith why would god want us to not do so many things that just come natural almost by instinct not free will.

The thing here is everyone is convicted of different things. I curse alot, I don't feel guilty for doing it. My father doesn't cause but when he does he feels guilty. There are no set rules for Christians to follw since Christ died and freed us from all the old rules and laws of the old testament. One of the verses I use to talk to other Christians about my cannabis ministry is:

Romans 14:16 (New International Version)

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.

Everyone is convicted differently. I believe cannabis is good most other Christiasn view it as evil but I point out to them that everyone is convicted different and they are speaking bad about something I hold in high regard.

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i just dont get offended by words they mean nothing to me. Now im not saying if some one calls me a pussy bitch and says i fight like a girl in front of a hottie im with im not saying i wont completly shatter his skull.

Same boat.

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Which oddly enough brings up another reason i dont believe, if there was a god an entity that was apart of all of us and everything and this being was our father and creator how wouldnt he be able to at least be able to get the point through to us that he is the one and only.

I love the forrest. I love cannabis. Both help me feel God's presence. When I'm high in the forrest "forget about it". What if the way he wants to get people to see the point is through people like myself. One that will talk normally (or at least close to normally) with out bringing up all the thou shalt and so and so begat this guy and he begat that guy etc. What if all us Christians are the way God is trying to open and show who, what, and why
he is. The song imagine I'm not to firmilar with but I'll look into it. For a second the song "What if God was one of us" was popping in my head but I know the beatles wouldn't do something that horrible. That whole song I can only think ok yell in my head "He was one of us, He did walk around like us. His name was and is Jesus." Of course thats just me.

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The devil may be able to use our free will to tempt us towards sins but certainly he cant be strong enough to blind us from our creator who mind you can do EVERYTHING which is a word our minds can not even grasp.

YOur right satan isn't strong enough, but he has had enough times to set up the perfect arena to battle in. Look at everything around us. Then look back into the history of everything. The church has had a bad name for along time. If I was satan and wanted to bring God down a notch in his creations eyes the church would be the first place I'd send my menions. You know kill them from inside out. The way I see it my proof of the satan and God battle is this:

What other name of God (any religion) is being used as a curse word?

It's only the Christian God Jesus Christ. I mean come on even people of my faith use it daily. Everytime I hear it I just look up and then drop down yelling "he isn't coming yet is he" that drops a jaw every now and then.

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Well thats how i really see people i guess dillusional is a little harsh but i really do see people who believe in god to have some sort problem with accepting reality and therefore buildings these boundries wich just brings trouble to every one.

I admit that I do build boundry. Of course I don't see much wrong with boundries. Accapting reality I think is a must. In fact I think it would be wrong to try and make a false reality. For example I don't like how my dad views things. I tell him he lives in a bubble cause all he see's is church things. Being a pastor I think puts you in a bubble well at least certain pastors are in that bubble. All they do is Church on Sunday, mon-sat they are visiting church members, fixing the church, going to hospitles, etc. They spend ZERO time in the real world where thier congragation lives in 24/7.

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So they see this relaxing feeling you get during meditation as a feeling of being near god and then you get answers suddenly when really it was just relaxation and your own brain. And from there get used to this process as talking with god because thats what it was introduced to most people as.

For me I do listen to that voice when I'm medatating. I believe God lives in all of us. I believe God is apart of our self-conscience. No one knows where the conscience came from or how it knows right or wrong so to me the only explainable thing is it's the Holy Spirit. It has NEVER told me to do something wrong it's only let me know what is right and wrong. I choice because I have free will. I don't choose the right one all the time even thou I know what I should be doing.

I'm sorry to hear what your mom has done to you conserning weed, school, etc. To it's just another way evil fucks with us Christians. It makes some of us fanatics and gives everyone they know a bad example of what a Christian should be. Making my job as a minister very hard.

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telling her how i really feel or what my real thoughts on many things are would just cause her uneeded pain for her when saying what i really think brings me no reward anyway.

I'm 27, I first told my dad how I felt six years ago. The first conversation was very scary for me cause the last time I talked with my dad about everything (cannabis) he told me I'd be disowned. I let him have it for not being there for me while growing up, for always making church first in our family rather then our family first, for making very vacation I went on a church experiance. From camp outs to conventions everything was God/Chruch growing up for me. I realized I would never be the full me if I didn't get all my thought and feeling about my family off my chest. I wouldn't be the thing I am today if I didn't first let it all go and start a new relationship as father and adult son. It does cause strife but it smooths over into something else. Mutual respect.

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Someday i know the proof will be proof somthing new is proven everyday just a matter of time in my eyes. And i know that at least i put more thought into my beliefs while my mother has always believed always undoubtfull. Thats how she was raised she was pretty much taught to believe in god. Thats why most people cant put up a good defense on what they believe if one at all.

I don't think that will ever happen but wishful thinking is always good. I was taught my religion. I examined my religion and had to reteach myself cause I had been taught others convictions. I'm glad I did cause if I didn't I would have never know God make weed for us and we can enjoy it cause we cannabis users are very thankful for it.

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Even so i dont like being around people who just believe somthing will happen or work or come true just on faith and not real systematic break down and solving of the problem.

You would hate to play poker against me then. I'm always haveing faith the next card will be mine. I've even prayed it would but most of the time it's not.

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But on this subject i still think god mgiht just be apart of peoples subconcious that they feel is god but really them coming to their own conclusions as i said before.

I understand your point and I would hav most likey ageed but there was a day many years ago that I didn't come to any conclution or any gut feeling but I was prepared cause of something my conscience said. I was smoking one day in my bedroom cause I had six other roommates and they were all out of weed and had been dipping in my stash (whole other story) anyways out of the blue my conscience said "Be prepared" I had no clue what I thought that for but later I learned what I was supposed to be prepared about. On eof my roommates was a child melester and we had a child living in my house. The little boy said he had touched him and myself I would have killed the guy if it wasn't for the out of the blue "Be prepared" of course I could have been prepared with the gloves, ax, pick, baggies, etc. But I was prepared mentally cause of that warning.

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Now i completely agree with the seven deadly sins

No seven deadly sins in my bible the only seven things I found were:

Proverbs 6:16-19 (New International Version)

There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

I don't know about the chatholic Bible it might be in there but the movie SEVEN wasn't true cause I never found anything about seven deadly sins in my BIble.

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People who believe in god work more for the life after this instead of working for this life now.

I see that and I have choosen not to live that way. I accept the freedom God gave and I run with it.

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what happened to the good old days when they said tehy were gonna start feeding the hungry?

I've been wondering that for years. Atcually three years since the last time I went to a church building.

It's been a great conversation with you. We should try to make our comments a little smaller so others might join in but if they don't I'm enjoing myself.

Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ

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