Do you believe in God and Satan?

No i dont. simple.

you remember katrina? 911? other examples im too lazy to cite?

if god were real and nice and all the bull shit why the hell would he let that shit happen? why would he let those innocent people die?

hes testing you/us? people need to go through harsh times to discover who they really are?

i call bullshit on all that. i dont buy it one bit. i do believe that shit happens though, and how you deal with it decides what kid of person you are.

~however~ i do believe that everyone has a right to believe and practice what they wish. i can respect others opinions and how they chose to lead their lives, as long as they respect mine.

:Edit: I dont mean to sound harsh, its just swearing is basically a part of my vocabular lol, and being high kinda magnifies it, forgive me if ive offended anyone.

No I don't believe in god Or satan....Anyways if god created satan,did god then create evil? If so Why?.....mmmm

At the moment no...
but I'm open minded to changes and new experiances...

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Originally Posted by DubStar

No I don't believe in god Or satan....Anyways if god created satan,did god then create evil? If so Why?.....mmmm

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The excuse I hear a lot from Christians is that evil is necessary for us to have free will. Of course, they fail to realize this means there would be no such thing as free will in Heaven.

Oneironaut,

All you're doing is questioning God. You don't have the reputation that he has for us to believe you over him. What makes you think that your words have more wisdom than his? You think that you have "outsmarted" the bible. From my point of view, far from it. But like I stated in another thread, I'm not here to convince you, cause you will be convinced when your eyes see him. Now you can say what you like, but you won't prove me wrong until after you have died.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Oneironaut,

All you're doing is questioning God. You don't have the reputation that he has for us to believe you over him.

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Umm, well for one unlike your god, I exist. And secondly, I try to base my conclusions about reality on observation and logic. If you see a logical hole in my ideas, please point it out so I can reassess my ideas.

Truth is not dependent on reputation, but on factual accuracy.

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What makes you think that your words have more wisdom than his? You think that you have "outsmarted" the bible. From my point of view, far from it.

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Anybody can outsmart the Bible. I really don't see what's so deep and profound about it. It's really disgusting and offensive, and I can't see why any rational being would put their faith in a book that promotes the oppression of women, the brutal execution of gays and Sabbath workers, slavery, inaction as a response to injustice, and the demon theory of disease. Society has evolved past the Bible. It's time to rely on ourselves for determining how to live our own lives, instead of the superstitious nonsense of some ancient sexist racist slave owners whose idea of a good time was to burn animals because they thought the magical sky wizard liked the smell of it.

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But like I stated in another thread, I'm not here to convince you, cause you will be convinced when your eyes see him.

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Exactly. I can't be convinced of the existence of something until I have sufficient evidence to affirm that this thing does in fact exist. I can't just close my eyes and say "OK, God is real" anymore than I can just close my eyes and say "OK, unicorns are real". So if God refuses to provide me with sufficient evidence of his existence, that's his fault and if he wants to punish me for his own wrongdoing, then fuck him. I don't need fucking dictators telling me how to think and live anyways; I'd gladly take the punishment and do what I think is right than follow the dictates of the cosmic Führer so I can get on his good side.

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Now you can say what you like, but you won't prove me wrong until after you have died.

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Sorry, but when I'm dead my brain won't work so I won't be able to experience anything, and neither will you. That's the one down side to atheism; there's no "we told you so" at the end. :p

"What makes you think that your words have more wisdom than his?"

I wouldn't believe Oneirnaut over God either. Only problem is God is staying pretty mum.

Of course, over the years, there's been a lot of people more than willing to tell you what God has to say. The Pope, etc...on down to posters on this board. But with some reflection on the facts, it's starting to look like their sources are a little shakey.

I don't think anybody will be proving anything wrong after they're dead though. Let's face it, we've had a lot of dead people for quite some time now and none of them have really proven anything.

So at least Oneirnaut is making some really good arguments for his point of view. Try as I might, I'm not hearing any from the other side. Nothing that sounds reasonable anyway.

Pass That Shit, you take an awfully convenient side on this. How could anyone possibly prove you wrong if you won't listen to logic and the "only way" to make you believe otherwise is to die?

(ok this post already sounds terribly insulting. I think I'll take this opportunity to write up a little disclaimer:

THIS IS MY OPINION, AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IM NOT WRONG, BUT NEITHER ARE YOU. WHETHER IT SOUNDS LIKE IT OR NOT, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND THE OPINIONS OF ALL PEOPLE. I BELIEVE LOVE AND COMPASSION TRANSCEND RELIGION AND THAT TOLERANCE IS ESSENTIAL TO PEACE ON EARTH. ok, that ought to do ;) )

I think it's silly to place any one being/creature/thing/god over humans. We are here... now... and that's a fact. If we have free will then what we're doing is our choice and is thus entirely unaffected by any God.

Now this is not to say that I denounce all Christian teachings. Far from it. But I believe that those teachings (such as love thy brother, dont steal, have compassion for all beings, etc. et all.) can and do exist outside of a worldview which is constrained by the will of God. These are also teachings which should pretty much be self-evident and concrete.

I, myself, subscribe to a self-filtered version of Buddhism. However I don't like to associate myself with any religion in particular because my beliefs are shaped by my own personal, tangible experiences and my subjective interpretation of that which is presented to me in the world.

Being a primarily logical and reason-based thinker, I believe that empiracal information is essential to understanding the world we live in. Now, I admit that there is definitely room for speculation, theorizing, even leaps of faith but that these are tools which are necessary to allow us to view the world from all sides and then discover new truths.

No, God and Satan do not exist.



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Respek,
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Hell no I don't believe in the Christian god.

The whole concept of satan and hell, are so unbelievable to me, but believe what you want.