Sheen Challenges Official 9/11 Fable on National TV, w/video

Charlie Sheen? Haha, as if he's a credible investigator here. I think I'll trust the scientists and firefighters on this one, but if we must play the celebrity game, we've got Penn & Teller on our side. http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepi...pisodeid=s3/ct

I used to buy this stuff back when I was only reading one side of the debate. But as I actually started investigating what skeptics had to say, I realized it's just about as grounded in objective evidence as the moon hoax conspiracy theory. I hate the government as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to make up lies about it. I have enough real reasons to hate it.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Charlie Sheen? Haha, as if he's a credible investigator here. I think I'll trust the scientists and firefighters on this one, but if we must play the celebrity game, we've got Penn & Teller on our side. http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepi...pisodeid=s3/ct

I used to buy this stuff back when I was only reading one side of the debate. But as I actually started investigating what skeptics had to say, I realized it's just about as grounded in objective evidence as the moon hoax conspiracy theory. I hate the government as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to make up lies about it. I have enough real reasons to hate it.

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WoW do you fell the same way about the firemen that were in the twintowers that said they heard bombs going off

We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."

"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."

"Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.


Two WTC impacts. Three explosions reported.


One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device - he thinks, he speculates - was probably planted in the building. ... But the bottom line is that he, Albert Turi, said that he probably lost a great many men in those secondary explosions, and he said that there were literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people in those towers when the explosions took place."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html

became President!
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Well, I guess loser is a little strong, Sheen was in some successful movies (Wall Street, Platoon), and I don't think he got any loans from the bin Ladins to support his acting career.
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Of course, it goes without saying, that the only actors qualified to speak out or get involved in politics are Republicans of limited range (Ben Stein, Jack Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegar, Ronald Reagan).
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Sheen has the limited range thing down, though.
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From YOUR link, here is a news report that shows that they knew the buildings would collapse - Mayor Giuliani was at the base of the World Trade Center ten minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

In the following 9/11 ABC News live interview Giuliani states he was warned of the collapses:
â??I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.â?� [/FONT] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html,



Perhaps Iâ??ve said this many times, but it bears repeating. While leaving lower Manhattan on the subway, on the morning of 9/11/01, I was told by another straphanger, who happened to be an architect, that these buildings were designed to, and would, collapse straight down if struck by a large aircraft, or faced with a similar emergency. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV. The government, and the airlines, should have had the cabin doors extremely protected and locked on all flights, as does El Al Airwas. This, to me, was the biggest mistake, of all. Flights should never be diverted due to hijackers' threats. Israel has not had a successful hijacking since their planes have been equipped with better doors on the cockpits - which are always locked. They have had other security measures in place for years, including proiling. It works.



Unfriendly skies are no match for El Al

By Vivienne Walt, USA TODAY

Once you board, up to five armed undercover agents will travel with you in strategic aisle seats, ready for attack. Furthermore, like many Israelis, cabin crews are former soldiers in the Israeli military who have received combat training. The cockpit door, of reinforced steel, is locked from the inside before passengers board and is opened only after everyone has disembarked at their destination. No matter what's going on in the rest of the plane, it is never opened during flight.
Our pilots go to the bathroom," says Klieman, without confirming whether bathrooms are inside the cockpit.
Perhaps surprisingly, El Al's pilots are not armed. "I hear the American pilots want to have arms now, which I think is a bad idea," Tal says. "They could go outside the cockpit and hurt people. You cannot fly a plane and carry arms."[/FONT]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/.../elal-usat.htm

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Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli

you know what, stop calling us "sheeps" because we don't believe your america hating bullshit. if you hate our government so much, GET THE FUCK OUT. you fucking conspiracy theorists need to get new fucking hobbys.

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By hobbies, do you mean joining an earth army? We don't believe in violence where we are from. We find your world and way of life unevolved, barbaric, and has no place in the greater Galactic Community of Souls. If you do not stop, it will be your doom. It is always a tragedy for a civilization to collapse by its own accord.

Indeed they would like to leave the USA due to its treachery!! But then again, if they left you NSA people wouldn't have anyone to put in jail, and thus keep you out of work!!

You know actually every country on Earth is corrupt, because humans are evil by instinct. The USA just tries to conceal it more then others! The US government and the Elite got what they wanted on 9/11. Such a gullible people Amerikans are, and unfortunately stupid. I would question the collective wisdom of your leader if I were you.

And most of your conspiracy theories are true!!

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

From YOUR link, here is a news report that shows that they knew the buildings would collapse - Mayor Giuliani was at the base of the World Trade Center ten minutes before the collapse of WTC 2.

In the following 9/11 ABC News live interview Giuliani states he was warned of the collapses:
â??I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.â?� [/FONT] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html,



Perhaps Iâ??ve said this many times, but it bears repeating. While leaving lower Manhattan on the subway, on the morning of 9/11/01, I was told by another straphanger, who happened to be an architect, that these buildings were designed to, and would, collapse straight down if struck by a large aircraft, or faced with a similar emergency. This is exactly what happened when I arrived home and turned on the TV. The government, and the airlines, should have had the cabin doors extremely protected and locked on all flights, as does El Al Airwas. This, to me, was the biggest mistake, of all. Flights should never be diverted due to hijackers' threats. Israel has not had a successful hijacking since their planes have been equipped with better doors on the cockpits - which are always locked. They have had other security measures in place for years, including proiling. It works.



Unfriendly skies are no match for El Al

By Vivienne Walt, USA TODAY

Once you board, up to five armed undercover agents will travel with you in strategic aisle seats, ready for attack. Furthermore, like many Israelis, cabin crews are former soldiers in the Israeli military who have received combat training. The cockpit door, of reinforced steel, is locked from the inside before passengers board and is opened only after everyone has disembarked at their destination. No matter what's going on in the rest of the plane, it is never opened during flight.
Our pilots go to the bathroom," says Klieman, without confirming whether bathrooms are inside the cockpit.
Perhaps surprisingly, El Al's pilots are not armed. "I hear the American pilots want to have arms now, which I think is a bad idea," Tal says. "They could go outside the cockpit and hurt people. You cannot fly a plane and carry arms."[/FONT]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/.../elal-usat.htm

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as we all witness when the plane hit the 2nd tower a hugh gulf of fire was raging out, the jet fuel burnt up on impact, after a while you could see people in the impact area, and firefighters have said that the fires were almost out, & if thats the case why did the tower that was hit last the first to go down. And who warned Giuliani why didnt they warned the firefighters that were in the building,
Firefighters in the impact area of WTC 2 reported no inferno or failing structure immediately before the building's collapse
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_9-11_index.html

Man i sure would like to believe the government story but for some reason i cant..If only i had a time machine

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as we all witness when the plane hit the 2nd tower a hugh gulf of fire was raging out, the jet fuel burnt up on impact, after a while you could see people in the impact area, and firefighters have said that the fires were almost out, & if thats the case why did the tower that was hit last the first to go down. And who warned Giuliani why didnt they warned the firefighters that were in the building,
Firefighters in the impact area of WTC 2 reported no inferno or failing structure immediately before the building's collapse
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_9-11_index.html
Man i sure would like to believe the government story but for some reason i cant..If only i had a time machine

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As hard as it is for us to comprehend, firefighters are sworn to give their lives, if necessary, to save people in danger.

Chaplains were giving the Catholic ones Last Rites at the scene - because they knew that it was a suicide mission. They volunteered to do the rescue - theses are the bravest people in the world.

If we ever catch bin laden, he should be handed over to a firefighter, ANY firefighter in the world that wants to take him out, for a fight to the death. I guaranfuckingtee you that bin laden would be dead meat.

There are no braver people in the universe than firefighters - any police officer worth his/her salt will tell you that if they were looking for somebody to watch their back, they wouldn't pick another cop - they'd pick a firefighter.

I saw many of those men daily, in the firehouse across the street from the WTC complex. They are no longer alive - along with 2500 other people including firefighters, cops and rescue workers from other areas.

This is not something that I take lightly - I was there before it happened, in 1993 when they bombed it the first time, very close on 9/11, and since.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

As hard as it is for us to comprehend, firefighters are sworn to give their lives, if necessary, to save people in danger.

Chaplains were giving the Catholic ones Last Rites at the scene - because they knew that it was a suicide mission. They volunteered to do the rescue - theses are the bravest people in the world.

If we ever catch bin laden, he should be handed over to a firefighter, ANY firefighter in the world that wants to take him out, for a fight to the death. I guaranfuckingtee you that bin laden would be dead meat.

There are no braver people in the universe than firefighters - any police officer worth his/her salt will tell you that if they were looking for somebody to watch their back, they wouldn't pick another cop - they'd pick a firefighter.

I saw many of those men daily, in the firehouse across the street from the WTC complex. They are no longer alive - along with 2500 other people including firefighters, cops and rescue workers from other areas.

This is not something that I take lightly - I was there before it happened, in 1993 when they bombed it the first time, very close on 9/11, and since.

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You kids still are not paying attention. I'll have to repeat it again...

9/11 WAS USED TO BRING ABOUT A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP IN AMERIKA AND TO CREATE A NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

Me: "But I didn't see a plane crash into the Pentagon Fuhrer Bush!"
Bush: "Uh uh duh Happy Birthday!! I mean shut up you little freedom loving shit! How dare you question my authority as dictator of Amerika!! Yea I plotted 9/11 and I'd do it again! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

One more thing: When the winds were high, the WTC towers always swayed. Most large buildings do this.

I happen to know this, because I worked in 2 WTC years (actually decades) ago. This should give you some indication that they were not indescrutable. If the fucking WIND could cause them to move, then it's not hard to picture what a huge airliner would do to it.



P.S. The latest solo album by Donald Fagen (founding member of the group Steely Dan), pictured below, is largely a metaphor for 9/11, it's aftermath, and American society since then. I think that this is his best solo work, and may be his last solo album.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

One more thing: When the winds were high, the towers swayed. Most large buildings do this.

I happen to know this, because I worked in 2 WTC years ago. This should give you some indication that they were not indescrutable. If the fucking WIND could cause them to move, then it's not hard to picture what a huge airliner would do to it.

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Oh please this is total bullshit!!!! The towers would have survived an impact of a regular 757. It was the planned detonations that really brought down the towers!! Remember building 7 too and how they had to just pull it? Hmmmm???? And the other NSA guy "knew someone" who took pictures of the plane crashing into the Pentagon!

God you guys make it too easy for me to expose, I almost feel sorry for you!