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Originally Posted by mont974x4
Not once did I say the God screwed it up. lol Besides, God did not give us sin, man did with the fall of Adam and Eve.
Umm, excuse me, but what the fuck did I do to deserve sin? Adam and Eve, if they existed, died thousands of years ago. No rational being would hold me responsible for their acts, or punish me for something they did.
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A Christian is not bound to the civil or cermonial law of the Old Testament. Jesus fullfilled the law as the ultimate scarifice. However, the underlying principles do still apply.
Ah yes, the good old underlying principles, like blatant sexism:
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Originally Posted by Genesis 3:16
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Yup, that's right, men are supposed to "rule over" women, and women have to endure the pain of childbirth because of something Eve did thousands of years before anyone alive today was born. If you want to be an honest Christian, you not only have to be bigoted against gays, but also against women, for they have committed the evil sin of being the same gender as a mythical character who took an apple from a talking snake. I can't believe people swallow this crap.
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Originally Posted by mont974x4
Nope, that's due to sin as I mentioned re: Adam and Eve
Who invented the concept of sin in the first place? God, right? If God is all-powerful, why couldn't he create a Garden of Eden that didn't have evil snakes or a Tree of Knowledge? (By the way, what's so bad about a woman having knowledge?) He could have created a perfect humanity which was innately good and never gave into evil. Christians often say that evil is necessary to appreciate the good in life. Well, couldn't God make it so that everybody can appreciate good without having evil? I mean, if he is indeed all-powerful, he could have that arranged. He could have easily used his infinite powers to create a universe in which everybody had free will but nobody ever had to suffer. But he didn't. Which means, in short, he fucked up. Big time.
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Maybe God's just a big kid with a magnifying glass, and just as much of a little bastard?
Anybody see this fundamentalist movement on cnn?
When Adam and Eve took from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they were trying to be like God and have His knowledge. God didn't want robots and that's why He gave us free will. Would life be easier if He made us robots? Sure.
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Originally Posted by Oneironaut
The Bible tells you exactly how to handle that. Right next to the part where it tells you it's a sin. Didn't you read it?
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
If Christians don't condone killing the gays, they should stop publishing that in their Bibles. And if they admit that the contents of the Bible are not true and not relevant to life in modern society, then what's the point in looking to it for answers?
The purpose of leviticus was to give the people of God their laws for the time. These laws don't apply to us now a days, but they are good guidelines as far as whats right and wrong. It's even the same with the 10 commandments, God gave these laws to the israelites, and Jesus did away with the old covenant when he lived on this earth. I'm not saying that homosexuality is an ok thing now since a punishment wasn't assigned for these times, but the punishment for such things are in the hands of man's law, if there be any punishment at all.
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I quess all the muslims killed in iraq is because of islams acceptance of homosexuality. being gay isn't a sin, being a bigot is. I hope one of these scum dies so I can protest at their funeral.
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Originally Posted by mont974x4
When Adam and Eve took from the tree of knowledge of good and evil ....
But why have the tree in the first place? Why not just have norml apple trees? It just seems like an all knowing being would have seen that comming.
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Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
But why have the tree in the first place? Why not just have norml apple trees? It just seems like an all knowing being would have seen that comming.
It's a childish story that can't really hold up against logic. I'm really surprised that so many grown adults still believe it.
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Originally Posted by mont974x4
When Adam and Eve took from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they were trying to be like God and have His knowledge.
What's so bad about that? Knowledge is good. Ignorance is bad. How can you be held responsible to a moral code if you are denied access to knowledge about good and evil?
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God didn't want robots and that's why He gave us free will. Would life be easier if He made us robots? Sure.
But God knew the whole Garden of Eden thing would screw up. He must have seen it coming, and yet he put that tree there. If the frickin tree wasn't there, humanity could have lived with free will in utopia for all eternity, no evil or anything, just like it was in the beginning. God should have built a giant evil-protecting shield around the Garden so the fallen angel couldn't get in.
If God agrees that evil is a bad thing, why doesn't he banish it from human affairs? Why doesn't he just bend the laws of logic so that murder and rape are good things to do? That way there would never be any evil. Or is God no match for the laws of logic?
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
It's a childish story that can't really hold up against logic. I'm really surprised that so many grown adults still believe it.
That's a little harsh. It's an allegory afterall. And a lot can be learned from it if it's interpreted as such and not merely as history. I mean, the serpent never actually lies, and there's no mention of the fruit being apples. Common misconceptions though, have you ever actually read it?
In today's world I'd say we're better served by Plato's allegory of the cave, with the main lesson being that people like watching dancing shadows on the wall and would rather not have their eyes opened... What do they do to the people who try?
Crucify them of course.
Don't get worked into a religious frenzy Oneironaut, I'm speaking allegorically, afterall.
ps> firefly was pretty cool. Like live action Cowboy Bebop.
