Black Lights

*sigh* ok.

Firstly, your response to my quote defeats the point, I do not question Ozone's disinfecting and de-odorising power I was just saying smell is not carried by bacteria, bacteria produce chemicals which smell. If it is just bacteria which produce smell, why bother with ozone why not just use a cheaper easier disinfectent to kill bacteria if its just them which produce the smell?

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Originally Posted by karmaxul

Further more, ozone is at least 10 times stronger than chlorine as a disinfectant. Chlorine reacts with meat forming highly toxic and carcinogen compounds called THMs or tri-halomethanes - rendering meats lesser quality products. THMs was also implicated as carcinogens in developing kidney, bladder, and colon cancers. Chlorine also results in the production of chloroform, carbon tetrachloride, chloromethane besides THMs. On the other hand, ozone does not even leave any trace of residual product upon its oxidative reaction.

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What the fuck are you going on about? chlorine reacts with meat? did i question this? is this anything to do with blacklights and ozone? NO.

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Originally Posted by karmaxul

The primary character used to classify viruses from bacteria is the kind of nucleic acid that constitutes the virus genome wether it is DNA or RNA, single stranded or double stranded. Nucleic acid like found in bacteria only a mutant (A cell microorganism that manifests new characteristics due to a change in its genetic material) form.

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Oh.. my.. god.. you actually know nothing. VIRUSES CAN HAVE DNA OR RNA. RNA viruses (eg retroviruses like HIV) have a genome in RNA - correct. DNA viruses (eg many bacteriophages) have a DNA genome.

Viruses are different from bacteria because they have no developed nuclus, are a fraction of the size, completely different (intracellular) mode of infection. you are WRONG WRONG WRONG I can give you a textbook reference or if you really want to waste my time, a journal paper. (Madigan, M.T. "Brock biology of microorganisms" Tenth edition, Pearson education, 2004)


DONT TRY TO EXPLAIN THINGS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. I dont fully understand plant biology as it is just a hobby but i'm a molecular biologist by profession (not a student) so I will prove you wrong if you are.

What about calcium being a cure for smallpox? you failed to comment on that. Smallpox is NOT a virus and calcium does not kill viruses, antiviral agents such as interferon-gamma do. If calcium killed viruses that easily why not just give it to HIV+ patients instead of antiretroviral drugs.

WEAKENED VIRUSES DO NOT MAKE VACCINES - genetically modified viruses with the virulence excluded from its genome make vaccines - basic genetic modification you are wrong - do you want me to back it up with a paper/textbook article?

Sorry for the aggression I just despise people who spread bullshit or try to explain things they dont understand themselves.

Also what the fuck have those images got to do with anything? I know how microbes grow I've made enough growth curves in my time and I know ozone is toxic to bacteria (and most other things) that was not the point in question.

anyway the bottom line is KARMAXEL - STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THINGS YOU DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND.

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Have a good day buddy

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Mycoplasma A mycoplasma is not a bacteria or virus; Rather, a mycoplasma is a mollicute with no cell-wall and is characterized as a virus-like infectious agent, somewhere in-between a virus and bacteria in complexity.

Mycoplasmas are unicellular, procaryotic disease-causing organisms of pleomorphic structure with no cell wall. In vitro they grow on special media and characteristically form "fried egg" shaped colonies. Like viruses, they are filtrable but are much larger. Transmission is affected by leafhoppers, planthoppers and psyllid vectors as well as by grafting and dodder.

Mycoplasmas are wall-less procaryotes, which can be pathogens of man, animal and plants.

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"Viruses are different from bacteria because they have no developed nuclus, are a fraction of the size, completely different (intracellular) mode of infection. you are WRONG WRONG WRONG I can give you a textbook reference or if you really want to waste my time, a journal paper. (Madigan, M.T. "Brock biology of microorganisms" Tenth edition, Pearson education, 2004) "

Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand

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Ive only got two black light tubes now, heres some goodies tho: http://www.starmgc.com/blcklt.html

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Keep in mind, the black lights are for novelty and to provide additional wavelengths of light that traditional grow lights miss, not to replace standard lighting systems. Its like some bling bling for yo light spectrum

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Mycoplasma A mycoplasma is not a bacteria or virus; Rather, a mycoplasma is a mollicute with no cell-wall and is characterized as a virus-like infectious agent, somewhere in-between a virus and bacteria in complexity.

Mycoplasmas are unicellular, procaryotic disease-causing organisms of pleomorphic structure with no cell wall. In vitro they grow on special media and characteristically form "fried egg" shaped colonies. Like viruses, they are filtrable but are much larger. Transmission is affected by leafhoppers, planthoppers and psyllid vectors as well as by grafting and dodder.

Mycoplasmas are wall-less procaryotes, which can be pathogens of man, animal and plants.

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??? what does this have to do with anything?

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Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand

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It generally one large genomic piece of DNA packaged into a chromosome and lots of small pieces of DNA exist (plasmids) in the cell as well so therefore they often have more than one strand of DNA.
Even so what are you saying? I know the differences between eukarya and prokarya, you're arguments getting more and more vague and off the point. Please comment on how calcium work as an antiviral agent?

"Scientists at Wageningen Center for Food Sciences in the Netherlands have found that men on a calcium-rich diet have greater resistance to salmonella and E. coli infections.

Researchers suggest that the positive effect of calcium is most likely due to the way the mineral boosts protective intestinal bacteria, especially lactobacilli.

Low-fat milk and calcium supplements may help bones, but the new study suggests calcium may also decrease the effects of traveler's diarrhea. Expect calcium to show up more often as an added ingredient in functional foods."


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"The influence of microbes on the precipitation and dissolution of minerals has been known for a long time. The case of calcium oxalate is particularly interesting because calcium-oxalate is present in many biological systems and plays an important role in biogeochemical cycles and in some humans diseases, such as kidney stones. Despite the poor solubility of metal-oxalate complexes and the high oxidation degree of oxalate, about 40 bacteria species are known to dissolve and use Ca-oxalate as a carbon source.

Aerobic degradation of oxalates leads to the formation of carbonate ions, which will react with calcium released during the consumption of calcium oxalate by bacteria. The transformation of oxalate into carbonate results in a pH increase which allows the calcium carbonate precipitation. During our study of the oxalate-carbonate cycle, we investigated the production of calcium carbonate by oxalate-degrading bacteria. Some strains produce mainly calcite, whereas other strains preferentially produce vaterite a polymorph of calcium carbonate. It seems that exopolysaccharides (EPS) and some types of homo- or hetero-polypeptides are strongly linked to the differential calcium carbonate crystallization.

Vaterite samples similar to those produced by our cultured bacteria have recently been found in nature for the first time. This recent discovery combined with our results emphasizes the critical role of microorganisms in carbonate precipitation by their direct influence on local pH and therefore by controlling the conditions underwhich carbonate precipitates"

Seems true enough. ::thumbsup:

sorry double post: ignore this

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"Scientists at Wageningen Center for Food Sciences in the Netherlands have found that men on a calcium-rich diet have greater resistance to salmonella and E. coli infections.

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I'd be interested to see the reference but.. karmaxel was trying to explain the anti-VIRAL ability of calcium - obviously we know coli and salmonella are baceria.

Do you have a scientific reference for that article? sounds scientifically competant (unlike some people). But anyway, as I said the original disagreement was concerning the anti-viral properties of calcium. Thanks for your logical input.

Oh and also karmaxel, I forgot to mention fundamental innaccuracy in one of your points:

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Prokaryote A bacterial cell lacking a true nucleus; its DNA is usually in one long strand

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Ever heard of Archae? extremophiles? methanogens? No archae are bacteria but they are prokaryotic. Therefore your definition of a prokaryote is also wrong.