About those LED lights

Actually scientists use LEDs for plant growing studies because they are the most effective way to isolate specific wavelengths. LEDs are most likely going to be the future for growing, and lighting in general, and they use so much less electricity that they actually end up being quite affordable in the long run, and no big electricity bill keeps the other heat off of you (the law I mean). And they ONLY emit the EXACT wavelenghts that plants use, and nothing else. The Solaroasis LED grow bars are actually quite affordable compared to other LED grow lights, as the other LEDs are not mass manufactured for the general public, but are made only to order for the scientific community.

And about heat, think about 6 watts of LEDs equaling at least 100 watts of HID. 6 watts will produce almost no heat, plain and simple. The LED is the superior light, as long as the proper technology is used to assure that it effectively promotes plant growth. And Solaroasis appears to have achieved this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by smoknjoe

Were talkin red and blue LED's with state of the art technology.

---

The color of the light has nothing to do with it, the heat output remains the same. Your link does not work.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crispyfried

and they use so much less electricity that they actually end up being quite affordable in the long run

---

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. LEDs use MORE electricity, they produce LESS light, and they create MORE heat. This is why they are worthless for growing marijuana. Of course the 2 watt LED lights you wasted your money on use less electricity, that's because they put out WAY less light. You could say that 150 watt HPS uses way less electricity than a 1000 watt HPS, but that's just because it's making way, way less light. LEDs are the same. 150 watts of LED will put out MUCH less light than a 150 watt HPS. A 2 watt LED puts out almost no light in comparison with a 150 watt HPS. It does use less electricity, but it won't grow anything either.

LED grow lights are only useful for old ladies trying to grow houseplants in their bedroom. They simply will not work for marijuana which requires TONS of light to produce anything useful.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crispyfried

And about heat, think about 6 watts of LEDs equaling at least 100 watts of HID. 6 watts will produce almost no heat, plain and simple.

---

That is absolutely, 100% false. 6 watts of LED does NOT come even close to producing the amount of light from 100 watts of HID. Yes, 6 watts of LED produces next to no heat, but that's because it produces next to no light. If you had a 6 watt HID it wouldn't make any heat either, and it would put out a hell of alot more light.

You will not grow any amount of smokeable marijuana using only 6 watts, I guarantee it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigBlock

That is absolutely, 100% false. 6 watts of LED does NOT come even close to producing the amount of light from 100 watts of HID. Yes, 6 watts of LED produces next to no heat, but that's because it produces next to no light. If you had a 6 watt HID it wouldn't make any heat either, and it would put out a hell of alot more light.

You will not grow any amount of smokeable marijuana using only 6 watts, I guarantee it.

---

Well according to solaroasis thier 6 watt bar does equal 100 watts HID. Since they're the ones with the patent and a contract with NASA I'm going to belive them at the moment. They patented their technology just last year, and I presume that their LED lights are more effective than older LED technology.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
There's a ton of shit "developed by NASA" because NASA can afford to do a lot of research. Just because it was developed by them doesn't mean shit.

I'm not taking sides, but Block sounds like he knows his shit. Especially if he's a lighting engineer. He has nothing to gain from proving his point.

Well I don't mean any disrespect towards BigBlock but I hope he's wrong for my sake ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigBlock

The color of the light has nothing to do with it, the heat output remains the same.

---

The color of the light has EVERYTHING to do with it. The heat output is much less, because you are using less LEDs, while retaining the same amount of ABSORBABLE light output.

For example, the plant will absorb the SAME amount of light from 300 watts of white LEDs as it will from 45 watts of blue LEDs. (numbers are made up to make the point).

Read the article (a working link is posted earlier in this thread) and read Crispy's last posts again, and if you still dont understand, well then I give up.

My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.

peace man.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crispyfried

Well according to solaroasis thier 6 watt bar does equal 100 watts HID.

---

That is a baldface lie, plain and simple. If that was the case everybody would be using LEDs in their house for lighting and paying almost nothing every month for electricity. Guess what...they don't. Patents don't mean shit. There are TONS of patents for completely useless items that don't even work. Just search the US patent office, it's laughable what some people take the time to patent.

Solaroasis is using the same LEDs as the rest of the world. The most efficient LEDs right now are about 50 lumens per watt. HID puts out around 140 lumens per watt. Your 6 watt light puts out MAYBE 300 lumens. About as much as a good flashlight. If you used a 6 watt CFL you'd have about 360 lumens, and it would have cost less than $5. If a 6 watt HPS existed, you'd have 840 lumens.

I'm not going to waste any more time arguing about it, you'll find out very quickly that you threw your money away. 6 watts of LED will grow nothing. One day, when LED efficiency is way up, and costs are way down, they might be useful for growing. That day is not today.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. I dare you.

Ayo BigBlock!!! I'm callin you out..

You taunt with your unproven background and such and try to belittle... You should only do that when ur info is on point, tsk tsk

We're not talkin about those LEDs, these LEDs are specially manufactured.. Just like fluorescent lights and blue-spectrum cfls, its special..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigBlock

More lumens = more light for the plant. Period. LEDs produce less light, and more heat, than any other source of light short of incandescent. They are WORTHLESS for growing compared to HID and fluorescents. You get more heat and less light. That is not how you grow good marijuana. Light penetration is worse than fluorescent.

---

ACtually you're wrong.. Its the spectrum that counts.. You can give a plant the specific peices of the spectrum in bulbs (blue and red) and the plant will grow much stronger.. consider it "light-nutes" [ SEE PIC #1 ATTACHED]
Thats also why you have a Full Spectrum CFL or Incandescent, etc.. Nowadays ppl are focusing on the light color spectrum.. maybe you should too..

I seriously hope ur checkin out these links...
http://www.solaroasis.com/grow_advantages.htm

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigBlock

The color of the light has nothing to do with it, the heat output remains the same. Your link does not work.

---

Actually it does.. See these are special LEDs that output the color at the specific wavelength on the light spectrum that the plants can recieve. So these leds do work, they've been tested on plants.. http://www.ledgrowlights.com has proof, pictures upon pictures..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BigBlock

LEDs use MORE electricity, they produce LESS light, and they create MORE heat. This is why they are worthless for growing marijuana.

---

A red spectrum bulb holds 180 LEDs, at a total of 10watts, 120 volts. 5.5 in wide x 4 in. deep... As oppposed to a 150w HID..
http://ledgrowlights.com/red_light_specs.pdf check the specs yourself.. where are you getting your information?? maybe you might want to reconsider your material?


Case Closed..

Crispyfried, stay in touch, I wanna buy a set..