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Howdy Breukelen,
Shame on you for trying to turn this thread into a rant against Christianity..and therefore,against our troops,many of whom,are Christian. Those of you,who hate,loathe and despise,Christians,Christianity,God and Jesus Christ,all act as if every Christian Church in America,has it's own dungeon with a full complement of torture devices.
Y'all also act as if the muslims never do anything wrong,you look the other way-when they torture and behead people..you do know-that torture and beheading,is considered an honorable practice by muslims and arabs,especially currently,don't you ? Christians haven't used torture in quite some time now,and will never go back to those days again,yet you and others like you,act as if torture is still the official practice at the Vatican.
As for the baby-killer phrase that y'all like so much,I've been called a baby-killer several times recently,simply for being a veteran. I have never killed any babies or murdered them with abortion,whereas,y'all murdered over 40 million babies and counting.
Have a good one ....
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Breukelen,
Shame on you for trying to turn this thread into a rant against Christianity..
"Shame on" ME? I was simply pointing out the bloody record of Christianity, AND I also pointed out that they are not alone in that area. .
....and therefore,against our troops,many of whom,are Christian. Those of you,who hate,loathe and despise,Christians,Christianity,God and Jesus Christ,all act as if every Christian Church in America,has it's own dungeon with a full complement of torture devices.
To be critical of a crackpot idea like christianity is within my rights as an American- no matter WHO happens to think differently. I am not the one that is saying that people are going to burn for eternity for simply thinking a certain way. That's YOUR department.
Y'all also act as if the muslims never do anything wrong,you look the other way-when they torture and behead people..you do know-that torture and beheading,is considered an honorable practice by muslims and arabs,especially currently,don't you ?
Where have you been for all these months? I've placed enough anti-Muslim stuff on this board to last for YEARS! You have absolutely nothing to back-up this ridiculous accusation with. About the only explanation may be that your computer does not support graphics - I've had TONS of cartoons and pictures of Bin Laden, al Quada, Muslims, as well as anti-fundamentalism, images and thumnails. If they aren't being displayed on your computer, I can't help it. What the hell do you think, that I blame bush for the attacks of 9/11 - which I was an eyewitness to in Lower NYC? I posted that story about five times on threads that YOU were also writing on.
Christians haven't used torture in quite some time now,and will never go back to those days again,yet you and others like you,act as if torture is still the official practice at the Vatican.
The are waiting for the day that they can go back to the dark ages. In the meantime, they support as many bad things as possible.
As for the baby-killer phrase that y'all like so much....
What the FUCK are you talking about? I NEVER said, or insinuated that I agreed with, any such thing about the U.S. soldiers.
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I've been called a baby-killer several times recently,simply for being a veteran. I have never killed any babies or murdered them with abortion,whereas,y'all murdered over 40 million babies and counting.
If you've been called a "baby killer", I didn??t 't see it on this board, or I would have slammed the person that said it. And as for your description of abortion as "baby killing", may I remind you that the crime rate has dropped DRASTICALLY since 20 or so years after Roe vs. Wade.
Have a good one ....
Thanks, but I don't think you mean it. Just because you cannot come up with appropriate responses to rational thinking, you take the easy way out by just making things up about people that you differ with. It's sad, but true.
Just for the record, although I have expressed this here before, I would like to reiterate that I am NOT opposed to using extreme methods of persuasion on terrorists to obtain information.
Whether you know it or not, there ARE conservative, patriotic people like myself, who are non-religous.
The old Pagans' Winter Solstice celebrations are 50 times older than christianity and it's ritualistic imitations of ancient holidays. Don't expect everybody to accept your religion - it's not going to happen. I was born with an extremely hard head, and if 10 years in brutal, working-class, Brooklyn Catholic Schools couldn't scare me into believing in their BULLSHIT, nothing can, or ever will.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Psycho4Bud wrote, "I would think one of their biggest fears is to come home to a public portraying them as woman and child killers. The way that the U.S. public welcomed the Vietnam War Vets home was disgraceful"
While they didn't get a ticker-tape parade down Fifth Avenue, I don't remember any incidents toward a vet that could be described as "disgraceful". About the only thing my ex-soldier friends were a little ticked-off about was the term "Crazed VietNam Veteran", which was used by the media to describe the occasional incident that happened well after the war was over. The images shown in the "Rambo" film didn't help.
The American public didn't portray them as "women and child killers". Not even the most radical anti-war organizations ever did that. The main focus of the anti-war movement was to bring the boys home, not insult or otherwise hurt them. I hope that the current anti-war movement is even more mindful of the soldiers' situations than those of the past.
In Febrary 1971 when I returned home, besides the lame questions of how many babies did I have to kill and how many villages did I help burn down, I had a little incident on a NYC bus. Wearing my Marine uniform with my ribbons from Vietnam (including my Purple Heart), the bus driver said that I could get on the bus for free, but I had to sit in the back of the bus. He didn't want me to cause any trouble.
http://www.capveterans.com/
And this never happened???
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[QUOTE=Psycho4Bud]In Febrary 1971 when I returned home, besides the lame questions of how many babies did I have to kill and how many villages did I help burn down, I had a little incident on a NYC bus. Wearing my Marine uniform with my ribbons from Vietnam (including my Purple Heart), the bus driver said that I could get on the bus for free, but I had to sit in the back of the bus. He didn't want me to cause any trouble.
http://www.capveterans.com/
Out of respect for the majority of military people that do not engage in that behavior, I didn??t bring up the fact that some American soldiers in Vietnam DID commit atrocities and war crimes
An "underground" comic, DEVIANT SLICE FUNNIES (The Print Mint, 1972), had a Time Magazine parody (below) on the back cover, drawn by cartoonist Greg Irons, which I still have. War is ANYTHING but ??funny?, as this drawing shows. It??s very graphic, but is more in keeping with the anti-war movement's goal of "bring the boys home" of the time, and more important, than an unfortunate random incident of monument destruction that is mentioned by the vet in your reference.
If we hadn't demanded an end to it, Nixon would probably have continued it until many more were killed or wounded.
There were 10 million Americans under arms during the [Vietnam] war. Of the 2.7 million Americans served in the Vietnam war, 300,000 were wounded in action, and 75,000 were disabled. Of the casualties listed on The Wall, approximately 1,300 remain missing in action. "The average age was 19, America's youngest combatants." Note: http://www.war-stories.com/dab-poss-body-count-1965.htm
Over 58,000 Americans were killed, and we still do not know why.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
In Febrary 1971 when I returned home, besides the lame questions of how many babies did I have to kill and how many villages did I help burn down, I had a little incident on a NYC bus. Wearing my Marine uniform with my ribbons from Vietnam (including my Purple Heart), the bus driver said that I could get on the bus for free, but I had to sit in the back of the bus. He didn't want me to cause any trouble.
http://www.capveterans.com/
Out of respect for the majority of military people that do not engage in that behavior, I didn??t bring up the fact that some American soldiers in Vietnam DID commit atrocities and war crimes
This is really getting off topic but I don't understand what your trying to get at here. Was it right for some disrespectful assholes to put down these soldiers when they returned home? This is the type of crap that our people overseas DON'T need when they return.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
This is really getting off topic but I don't understand what your trying to get at here. Was it right for some disrespectful assholes to put down these soldiers when they returned home? This is the type of crap that our people overseas DON'T need when they return.
Discussing a war like the one in Vietnam is not ??off-topic? on this thread.
Those were crazy times, and the misguided enthusiasm of a few young miscreants was occasionally channeled into bombing ROTC centers, banks, and other misdeeds like the one you mentioned. I could also have mentioned the killing of four college students, by the National Guard, who were protesting the war at Kent State, Ohio. Or, the Chicago police riots at the Democratic National Convention protests of 1968, where it was a miracle that nobody was killed.
How about Nixon's "enemies lists", or the companies that were profiteering from the Vietnam War?
That war was a disgrace, even though it did not start out that way. After years of needless deaths and injuries, all we wanted was for the troops to be sent home alive ?? not in a body bag, stretcher or wheelchair. If anybody STILL thinks that we shouldn??t have withdrawn the troops, they are entitled to that opinion.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Discussing a war like the one in Vietnam is not ??off-topic? on this thread.
Those were crazy times, and the misguided enthusiasm of a few young miscreants was occasionally channeled into bombing ROTC centers, banks, and other misdeeds like the one you mentioned. I could also have mentioned the killing of four college students, by the National Guard, who were protesting the war at Kent State, Ohio. Or, the Chicago police riots at the Democratic National Convention protests of 1968, where it was a miracle that nobody was killed.
How about Nixon's "enemies lists", or the companies that were profiteering from the Vietnam War?
That war was a disgrace, even though it did not start out that way. After years of needless deaths and injuries, all we wanted was for the troops to be sent home alive ?? not in a body bag, stretcher or wheelchair. If anybody STILL thinks that we shouldn??t have withdrawn the troops, they are entitled to that opinion.
I didn't agree with the Vietnam war either. All we were doing was picking up the pieces that the French left. But I still say, when those troops came home they deserved respect for doing what they had to do. :thumbsup:
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Howdy Breukelen,
Well apparently,an apology is in order,I apologize for mis-stating yer position..I also reacted in a knee-jerk fashion and that was wrong too. Thanx for clarifying where ya stand..I'll try to remember better,next time.
I would like to clarify a couple things too..I don't go around telling folks that they are going to Hell,if they don't change their ways or believe as I do..I just don't think it's right to actually tell folks that..because it presumes that one knows how God will judge any given person..maybe saying,"you may go to Hell if.." is a better response.
As for Christianity supporting all things bad,yer talkin like me..when I say "liberals,atheists,muslims and secularists,are responsible for everything bad and the support thereof"..and that ain't right either..I just say that mostly out of frustration..even though I know that I'm wrong to characterize everyone as being the same..my bad.
I really do wish that you "Have a good one..", I want you to have a good day and hopefully,a good toke too:thumbsup: I wish also,that everyone can be as least as blessed as I and my gal..we have a roof over our heads,food in the fridge and we share unconditional love..and if we're really lucky,we have something good to toke.
So..Have a good one !
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Breukelen,
Well apparently,an apology is in order,I apologize for mis-stating yer position..I also reacted in a knee-jerk fashion and that was wrong too. Thanx for clarifying where ya stand..I'll try to remember better,next time.
I would like to clarify a couple things too..I don't go around telling folks that they are going to Hell,if they don't change their ways or believe as I do..I just don't think it's right to actually tell folks that..because it presumes that one knows how God will judge any given person..maybe saying,"you may go to Hell if.." is a better response.
As for Christianity supporting all things bad,yer talkin like me..when I say "liberals,atheists,muslims and secularists,are responsible for everything bad and the support thereof"..and that ain't right either..I just say that mostly out of frustration..even though I know that I'm wrong to characterize everyone as being the same..my bad
I really do wish that you "Have a good one..", I want you to have a good day and hopefully,a good toke too:thumbsup: I wish also,that everyone can be as least as blessed as I and my gal..we have a roof over our heads,food in the fridge and we share unconditional love..and if we're really lucky,we have something good to toke.
So..Have a good one !
No problem, and I'm glad to hear that! :thumbsup:
You bet I'm going to have a good one. The NYC Transit strike is on, I'm unable to commute to work, and I'll have to find a way to pass the time today and it might, just maybe, involve using a lighter. :rasta:
Have a good one!
