U.S. Will ...IN....for.......years.

I want to move because I don't like how this government is running the country. Social security can't be garountee'd to anyone born past 1950, yet they are still charging it, still giving it to hoardes of people who have not paid into the system at all, and a whole bunch of useless people who just don't want to work. Don't you know someone who is scamming the system, or know someone who knows someone who is related too someone who is getting checks for lying effectively to noncaring government workers. I also know people who genuinely need help that don't qualify because they aren't a minority and have a job.
(I have first hand experience with this, my pro-rated based on income mental health fee is $100 a visit, 50$ for meds and two visits a month required...I can't afford to be normal)
I look around and it seems like the government is trying for a nation of ignorant outlaws. So many laws every day and new ones being passed all the time. Using law to dictate morality, all this fucking corruption and not listening to people who actually live here. I'm tired of it.
They want family values but pay you to have children and just give you more money for every child you have. It's like the more irresponsible and shitty you are the more the government will cover your ass and support you. So these women have more kids to make more money and those kids learn that the government will take care of you and you don't have to actually do anything, at least for a while, and maybe never if you can lie good enough. Then those kids have kids and they have more than middle class families have, because the government will give them more money for more kids and generations of families with many children live off the system. Now you know they aren't being taught good morals and values by parents who scam the system or have kids to get money and stuff, and these people have more kids than most it is not odd to see them with 3-4 kids, all about 4 years apart so the welfare wouldn't cut off. The only other people who can afford to have that many kids are the very wealthy.
So the middle class is being bred out.
There will be lots of rich spoiled kids getting everything, and a fuckload of criminals and hustlers around to take my middle class stuff I work my ass off to get.
yes I want the fuck out.

Amen sister.

I too want to leave. Been around too long and seen everything go downhill.

I also have had my experience with the system and it's like "sink or swim" every man and woman for themselves. If you have problems, well, sorry.

We spend billions on war and we don't take care of our own.

There is the way it should be and the way it is, and the way it is it should not be.

Way back when I was a high school student, I had a history teacher who also collected coins. He made an interesting observation-- as far as he could tell, no government had lasted more than 50 years (and most were far less) after debasing their smallest coin. The US debased the penny in 1982. We are about due for a revolution. Ready for it? :eek:

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Originally Posted by motahead

We spend billions on war and we don't take care of our own.

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yeah europe's the opposite of that statement (more or less), but its running into trouble due to its generous welfare state, for as the population ages we cant afford the tax needed to provide every last person with education and medicare. i study this kind of shit in uni, and it looks like we're gonna have to start following the american system to a certain degree, which will be shit. for decades we enjoyed a standard of living like no other, but its going to change eventually if our economies wish to remain competitive...(ah well it was good while it lasted).

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

And eight more U.S. soldiers died today.

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Yeah, except the combat fatalities in Iraq are lower than peacetime casualties state side...

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Originally Posted by Buck268

Yeah, except the combat fatalities in Iraq are lower than peacetime casualties state side...

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You are correct
Todays dead 2079. I am greatly saddened for their loss of life far from the homeland and ideals of American.


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

http://cryptome.net/dead/dead-gallery.htm

Check out their pictures, these are friends of ours. They went for bullshit and died for oil. No WMD, no Osama, no 911, just oil. Overthrew a government peremtive for no valid reason. Oh we owe those widows some due, and we owe our boys for putting them in harms way for bullshit and fraud.

We owe them and our children freedom and liberty from fraud, lies and corporate governance. Tell your corporate government to become a representative Republic.

poor soliders, i bet you most of them have no idea how they got there. fucked up place thats about it... bouth arguments on the right wing side are pritty vapid, if they have wmds then the united states needs to invade them right? what about the WMDs the usa has? what about england? and every one else with the nuke, bio warfare, air warfare, new war machines every thing? fucken strange if you ask me, they want some countrys to put down there weapons and they wont do it them selfs... the population of the united states is not a target, why does it matter that they defend the rest of the world agaist its self. i guess the hole idea of international war excapes me :D. how do we get from saying my gods better than your god to... your a vilont people so we the more civilized folks now have to break your head in? or even the curent problem.. you have an expendable and explotable resorce, so we will distroy your country, cluster bomb your citys and all that jazz so we can save 30 cents, oh wait we now controll all the oil Sooo lets up the price 60cents. If any one asks its those dam insurgents who are targeting solders and not the oil they care little about. the oil has no idologic difrence, its just oil, but these people forced to police the ocupied streets are more open to debate, even though they come from our poorest and least privlaged most crapped on group. dam those iraqys for being scared, dam them for not having any WMDs, and Dam them for resisting this ocupication.

if you know any one in the millitary urge them to through down there weapons and refuse to fight a court marshal is better than killing any one. I dont know who would fight if no one wanted to fight.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

This war is starting to have so many similarities with Vietnam.. It won't be long before people stop asking for the war to end and start demanding. But what does Bush or his administration care? He's out of the White House pretty soon, anyway.. Whoever takes his place can clear up the mess.

What do you think the chances are of a Democratic president next election? I'm not in the US, but whatever America do can help or hinder the rest of the world, so it's good to have someone we can all trust, you know?

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One HUGE difference between the war in Iraq and the Vietnam War....there is no draft as of this time. One of the big reasons folks from the 60's and early 70's were up in arms, protesting, and raising hell was that rich kids who had powerful parents in government or big business could hide their own kids from the draft by getting them exemptions and placed in the national guard. That KEPT them from being sent to war. Now the reservists go to war INSTEAD of the regular army in many cases.

But the fact is that every single person fighting in Iraq, Afghnanistan, and any place in the world CHOSE to join the military. Most joined AFTER 9-11, so they knew the risks involved.

Kids my age back during the Vietnam War had no choice whatsoever whether or not they joined. Oh, they could burn their draft card and risk being put in prison. Or they could flee the country and be labeled draft dodgers and cowards the rest of their lives, possibly never being allowed to reenter the country. But realistically, most kids knew that when that invitation from LBJ and Nixon came in the mail, inviting them to join in the fun of Southeast Asia......they were going to go.

So while the media likes to hype the Iraq War as comparable to Vietnam, it is very different. Yes, we're very bogged down there and likely will be for many years to come. But we don't see tens of thousands of unwilling soldiers being forced to go fight like we did 30 years ago.

One last thought....if you think you can trust ANY politician, you are very naiive. ANYBODY who gets powerful enough to be elected president has so many skeletons in his/her closet and owes so many people for putting them in that position that the job cannot be obtained without corruption.

George Washington was correct, in my opinion. Political parties will be a major cause of the downfall of our republic.

Onward!

Hey onwardthroughthefog,

Haven't seen you post in a while.. Did you disappear or have I just not seen you? Hmm, anyway..

You're right, the are alot of differences between this war and Vietnam, but there are also a large number of similarities, i'm sure you'd agree and i'm sure you know what those similarities are.

I don't really trust any politician. In the past i've gone so far as to say that all politicians are crooked or corrupt, but of course this isn't the case; there are many politicians who truely do want to make a difference, but when put in a position of power they have to submit to the system we have established, and this is what inevitably leads to corruption and the like.

We've all heard the expression 'the lesser of two evils'. However cliche and over used that expression may be I feel that, in this case, it is extremely pertinent. Though each political party in the US (and in the UK, though we have more than two parties to choose from) is doubt as much a bad choice as the other, I think that there would still be benifits to choosing one over the other. I tend to ignore the policies of most parties because they have ideas, ideas, ideas, but putting those ideas into practice is, more often than not, impracticle and some might may impossible. But regarding issues such as drug legislation - an apt example, since it is something we all care about - choosing one party over the other could make a huge difference.

With the war on Iraq, even if a more liberal party were put into power, your troops would still not be immediately withdrawn - it's not like the new president could wave a magic wand and make Iraq okay again. It would still be a long, drawn out process (though i'm sure any liberal administration would hurry the process along much faster than the Bush administration is willing to). But when it comes to something like Cannabis I feel that, if a Republican were in the White House again after Bush, we would be taking another step backwards.

I might sound neive by saying that I would vote for a party simply based on their stance on issues such as drug reform but I feel that, in the system we are currently a slave to, no party can make much of a difference anywhere else, or at least nowhere that truely matters.

-GHoST-

Ghost, I'd do the same. I'd, actually, register if there was a pro-marijuana candidate on the ballot. I just want society to fall on its ass and see what a fool it has been. I want all the bigwigs to eat their conservative crust stains off of their underwear. Anyone who won't listen to the proof these "angellic" scientists have uncovered deserve to be put in jail, I don't give a shit what kind of life they lead. I've encountered many ignorant and arrogant people who say that they will delete e-mails that will prove them wrong because they don't care, and they say they don't care. But they will still place me in the lowest category of life by saying that I'm a druggie.

I am no druggie.

I don't even take aspirin, because of the side effects.

edit: I am angry. Sorry.