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Okay listen to yourselves are you saying that if you walked by a walmart in that same situation and noone was around that you wouldnt run, steal just a few things, like all the dough outta one of the registers etc? I'm poor, maybe its just all you rich fuckers who think thats bad. I think its bad to steal from places like local bussiness but big ass chains like that? Fuck I'd be looting my heart out.
i think people stealing food or water should be treated fairly,people stealing DVD players and the like should be shot and if i know the south like i think i do,they will be.
For them, it's a time of need not a time of want...you NEED food,water and clothes...not a fucking t.v or a dvd player.. or even the cash out of the register.
Looting = Taking what you need to survive
Robbery = Taking what you need to get your rocks off.
Shame on you for stealing the shit you don't need
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Originally Posted by Phresher than it Got
Yes, those people who are left with nothing and steal food or other essentials cannot be totally blamed. I might do the same thing.
But people are also stealing much more valuable things, which I think is appaling no matter what the circumstance is, especially when they're looting other homes There is no excuse. Sure, they're poor, and our society is unfair, and capitalism sucks, but once we start forgiving them based on their socio-economic status, then we start running down a slippery slope. Remember, some people who have lost everything but did not steal anything. Are they somehow divorced from their society? No. Some people are innately more greedy than others.
some people employ the same argument against killers and child molesters. "oh, they were brought up in poverty, or they were molested themselves. Lets be lenient on them" No. A lot of people grow up and have shitty lives, and they dont resort to committing violent crimes.
Hear Hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
exactly, its these scumbags that have no right to live,these are the bottom feeders of society, these are the crack heads, that at the first sign of a natural disaster get a hard on and run to there local wallmart, but wallmart can take a bit off looting, its the small family owned shops, its not enough that there stores almost get completly destroyed, but all off there merchandise also has to be stolen, it sickens me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
I agree with you 100% there! I saw the same thing on the news last night, and said the exact same thing. My roomates aren't ones for, serious discussion, but that is what I thought to myself. People are dying, and what, they are going to sell a TV or DVD player for money or something? 80% of your city is underwater you fuckin idiots, it's useless!Quote:
Originally Posted by ImStonedNILikeIt
They'd rather have material things than save lives, and their own lives for that matter. Disgusting if you ask me. It's too bad about N.O.'s, but com'on, get your heads out of asses and focus on the main problem. :o
Lol i found this funny:
NEW ORLEANS - With law officers and National Guardsmen focused on saving lives, looters around the city spent another day brazenly ransacking stores for food, clothing, appliances â?? and guns.
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Thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass of a pharmacy. The crowd stormed the store, carrying out so much ice, water and food that it dropped from their arms as they ran. The street was littered with packages of ramen noodles and other items.
WTF Ramen Noodles SOMESONES GOT THE MUNCHIES!
First of all I want to thank all who was intelligent enough to take the time and state what you think about this. I was just angered by the whole thing,and figured I should post my rant.
Is this paragraphed enough for you dear or did I need to speak in ebonics for you?
Ah, so quick to jugde on proper grammer, and paragraphs. I'm sorry you're not literate enough to read the things I have said. You stated it once, you don't need to state it again. I get the point.Now shut the fuck up, and cry in your own self misery somewhere else dear.Quote:
That is what it looks like to me. I am sorry but i am not going to read a massive, solid block of text. I plan on using my eyes when i am 60 ya know.
I agree that some people are looting for food/water. I don't really see a problem for that. But everything else really there is no point too.But oh well.I'm in a different state, and there really isn't much I can do except donate.
Well thanks again to those who have posted there thoughts on this. :)
I'm not advocating being lenient on people who commit anti-social acts that harm others. I'm just saying, we should really be finding ways to attack such issues at their roots, where the problems begin, rather than just trying to punish the symptoms. It's not about letting people off the hook because of the socio-economic conditions which drive them to crime, it's about long term solutions where we try to fix those socio-economic conditions and get to the real underlying causes of crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
Crime is a social phenomenon; it only makes sense to look at the social trends which might be causing it, and try to change things at that level. That's the only really effective way to fight crime, but the dominant philosophy nowadays is to just punish every individual who is driven to crime that we can catch, and think that is the only proper way to "fight crime". If there is too much crime, we must punish more people harder and longer, they reason. But instead of just blaming it all on some unfixable flaw in human nature, we really need to look critically at what we can do to encourage those social conditions where people don't feel obligated to commit anti-social acts.
This is not intended to be a replacement for the idea of punishing people who commit anti-social acts; it is a supplement to it, and one which would reduce the need for such punishment by reducing the number of offenses. So far police have been trying to fight crime by focusing all of their efforts on repressing the symptoms rather than fighting the disease, and it has gotten them nowhere. You can't make people stop stealing stuff just by punishing more thieves more harshly. You can only do it by eliminating their desire to steal. In a socialist society, where the means of production and the means of living are commonly owned by all who contribute to the community, nobody needs to steal just to stay alive, like millions of people under capitalism who can't get a job because they're homeless and can't get a home because they're jobless. By reorganizing the industrial capacity of our society towards actually satisfying the various needs of the populace, far fewer people will feel the urge to take what they need from their neighbors.
Any attempt to effectively fight thievery which does not recognize the importance of demolishing capitalism and the huge gulf between the rich and poor it creates is bound to fail. An economic system based on the atomization of individuals, competition, greed, and maintaining a large pool of lower-class workers to slave away for the bourgeois elite can only propagate thievery and can never stop it. Socialism is no overnight short-term solution, but it's what we need to be striving for nevertheless.