From a Republican.....

Blue, that was awesome.

I would also like to point out that while Torog never supports his claims with any solid backing of logic.

He continually supports his beleifes with attacks on personal character of his opponents, in an attept to discredit and intimidate with the simple use of anger.

I dont know of any conditions that I have felt the need to require before voteing. But a political party that wasnt attached to the already intrenched facist regimes of the so called republican and democratic parties, would be a great place to start placeing conditions.

Also just a little background on the republican party.

Before the creation of the republican party in the US, there were no political parties, only the documents that our founding fathers drafted.

The republican party was created by Abraham Lincholn when he was makeing a push to abolish slavery. Which at the time had nothing to do with freeing slaves.

the souths provisions for slaves in the south allowed that the southern gov could count each slave as three fifths of a man.

The reason slavery was abolished was to keep the south from counting all its slaves as citizens and then were able to take over the congress. The amount of congressmen you have to your state is dependant on the amount of people in your state.

if the South was allowed to count its slaves, it would have put the north in dire political straights. The republican party was created to go after this effect solely.

This is not the history we are taught in school, we are taught that old Abe hated slavery, Which is not the truth. He also made provisions for slaves to return to Africa when they were set free. His plan was to send them all back. Thats a hardcore racist stand point at all the biggest sheet parties.

We are taught that Abe thought all men should all be treated equally, yet he contended that blacks were not worthy of haveing rights.

Peace.

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Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go F*CK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.

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Howdy Blue Cat,

You rage: "Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them."

Lord have mercy ! With the exception of a few countries,the UN is almost entirely anti-Israel and anti-US,Syria headed the board on human rights,of course they will issue sanctions against Israel. Sadly,there are Jews who've bought into the propaganda of the muslim jihadists,and side with the jihadists in the belief that Israel is acting more like a terrorist than a democratic country..they are wrong and will eventually have their throat's slit,by the very muslims they side with. The UN,is worthless,corrupt and run by the enemies of Freedom..it should be moved to Paris or Geneva.

You continue to rage:
"You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth. "

Have I ever said that I hate mexicans ? No..I haven't ,but I do despise those mexicans who are criminals and come to America to prey on law-abiding citizens. Some of my most cherished relatives,are mexican and they are all attending college,as we speak,they are very intelligent and are making good grades.

Thanx to the leadership of President Bush,and the hard work of our soldiers,we've liberated 2 countries from brutal dictatorships and formed democratic goverments in the process of elections and legislation..well over 50 million folks freed..that would have never happened under a democrapper prez,all of those folks,would still be languishing under brutal goverments,both of which,previously expressed the desire and intent,of attacking the US and our allies,specifically,Israel.

I don't listen to Rush or watch Hannity,I do watch O'Reilly alot and I don't agree with everything he says,either. However,I have a sneaking suspicion,that you swallow every lie,spewed by the Left..no matter how ridiculous or un-true..or hateful.

You reach the spit-flyin point,with the rest of your lamentations,such as:


"He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief. "

Bush is restoring the military,after 8 years under a CnC,that could not be trusted,and enjoyed recieving blow-jobs,while he talked to the field commanders in Bosnia. Obviously,you've forgotten that the 9/11 attack,was an act of war against America,if it had been done to Russia,China or Israel..there'd be alot more than 100k civilians dead,but being America..we waged a surgical war,and attempted to avoid civilian casualties.

"Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself."

Here's where you contradict yourself...you claim that we've stolen the oil money from Iraq,yet we're not using it yet,to help defray costs.

"There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians."

I think that those causualty figures are low..in WW2,that many folks and soldiers,easily died in a single day of combat,we've done a good job,to keep em that low. The other error you make,is that you believe that all Iraqi 'civilians',were innocent victims,when in fact,there were many combatants using them for human shields and disguised to look like civilians..you're being naive.

"Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception."

It took years,to rebuild the infrastructure of countries devastated in WW2,Japan..is a great success story in that regard,as well as europe..remember the Marshall plan ?

You continue to rage:


"MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS."

Bush is concerned about Osama,but Osama has pretty much made himself a secondary priority,because he's in hiding and cannot act,in an active way,on the front lines..like Zarqawi is doing..believe me,Osama will be captured or killed,there are whole teams of special forces working on that,even as we speak.

"He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies."

The Geneva conventions are for sldiers in uniform,not terrorits in civilian clothes,that don't swear allegiance to any country or military.

"He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit."

Once again,I'll remind you,that it was Klintoon,that devestated the militray,as is the wont of every democrapper prez..and America,was attacked on 9/11/01,we are at war..all budgets are secondary to our national defense needs.

"Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report."

That was simply a stupid thing to have done.

"Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman. "

Bush is a busy man,and Indonesia,is full of the enemies of freedom..to err on the side of Life..is the only right thing to do. I have a feeling,that you're a big supporter of euthanasia and abortion.

"Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA."

The 'research ' that you speak of,seeks to destroy Life and borders on the blasphemous..you are totally wrong about the technology transfer,that was all Klintoon's doing,and he should have been impeached for that.

"You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go F*CK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues? "

Everyone,deserves to make as much money as they are willing to work for,and I did think that Cheney went too far,but I can't blame his exasperation..as it must be 10 times worse,in the Capitol,working with illogical,emotional and contrary,opponents. Bush has admitted and apologized for his dui's,and he served honorably..the National Guard,is a part of our military,too.

"Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen."

We didn't lie..we told the truth..Kerry,threw his medals back at the White House and consorted with the North Koreans,just like Hanoi Jane..add his statements in '71 , before Congress..and you got yerself..a lying traitor. Kerry was in combat for one reason,to get his combat medals and service,so that he could qualify for Pentagon duty..he was on the career path,that many Lt's take,and Lt's like him..were sometimes fragged by their own troops.

You continue to lament:

"Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains..."

I think that was done by democrappers,who really are the traitors..and work non-stop,in their efforts to smear Bush.

"Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. ....."

Because of the MSM's portrayal of the war,painting it as a meat-grinder and quagmire,sadly,leftist propaganda,is working to some extent,in regards to destroying the will and resolve,of Americans to fight the enemies of Freedom. Also,there really are,just a few good men/women left,the rest are emasculated by feminazi's,such as yourself..other than your son,have you ever met a real man before ? Do you even know what one is..being surrounded by metrosexuals and emasculated males and all..? I have tried to git my daughter to sign up,but she doesn't want to ..especially after hearing nothing but bad news all the time,from the Left..it's still a work in progress.

As for being a 'contractor',a contractor in the oil patch,is usually someone who provides support services..like roustabouts or location building..all of which,require substantial capitol that I don't have and would not qualify for. I would love to git back in the oil patch,they just recently raised floor-hand wages to 19$ an hour ! But there's alot of things that I want to do,but can't..because I'm 100% disabled.


"Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point."

Bush has restored my confidence in regards to having a president in the White House,that ain't gittin blow-jobs in the Oval Office,or while on the phone with his field commanders. He's put national security first,as is the primary duty of any president,but when it comes to democrappers..their first priority is social engineering..which should be last on the list of priorities. He's brought Christian agenda's to the forefront,and he's waging an offensive war against terrorists and the States that support them..rather than seeking appeasement and surrender,as the democrappers desire. That's just a short list. I voted for Bush,in 2000,because I knew that he would reverse what Klintoon had done,which was weaken the military and destroy morale,and I wanted a decent man in the White House..not a lying,cheating traitor,like Klintoon.

Have a good one....

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And while we are at it Torog, lets talk about that homophobic streak you have....

Ever wonder why so many Christian Conservatives turn out to be gay....

They use their religious beliefs to try and stifle their urges...

You said you were in the navy didn't you Torog?

My it must be lonely out there on that big ship full of men....

Me thinks you doth protest too much...Torog

You have a good day.

Cat

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Howdy Blue Cat,

My religious belief,is that homosexuality,is a sin..that ain't got nothing to do with fear..do you believe that muslims are homophobic,because homosexuality is banned,out-lawed and punished severely ? I doubt it..because in your eye's,muslims can do no wrong,and are in fact-heroic for standing up to America.

I have never known any conservative Christians that were gay or even acted gay. I don't need to stifle any urges with religious beliefs or otherwise,because I'm not a slave to my desires and urges,like gays and liberals are.

Yup...I was in the Navy,and I even tried out for the SEAL's,but my eyesight was too poor to qualify,and I didn't meet any gay sailors either..but my company and our sister company,did run off all the gays hanging around the strip by the base.

I find that your charges of me being homophobic,a pitiful and childish tactic..you can stomp yer feet and throw a hissy fit all you want..but I'm sure that you will have no peace of mind,as long as the adults are in charge,in the White House,thank God.

Have a good one....

I must agree with the sad decline of our leadership. I don't believe the government adhears to the nation's voice. Politicians lead themselves to victory and leave the nation's voice unheard. Organized religion dominiates majority of political decisions. In my opinion, the voice of the church outrules the voice of the nation. This is America and herein resides many religions. Religious beliefs are every individual's preception or interpretation of the literature they choose to read. Whether that literature is the Bible, Koran, Kabalah, or Yoga, it's still what we glean from the lietature and interpret ourselves. In sumation, each of us are unique in our beliefs and thoughts. We should be allotted the freedom to remain unique. I enjoy this post and appreciate the time taken to express itself boldly.

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Howdy Blue Cat,

My religious belief,is that homosexuality,is a sin..that ain't got nothing to do with fear..do you believe that muslims are homophobic,because homosexuality is banned,out-lawed and punished severely ? I doubt it..because in your eye's,muslims can do no wrong,and are in fact-heroic for standing up to America.

I have never known any conservative Christians that were gay or even acted gay. I don't need to stifle any urges with religious beliefs or otherwise,because I'm not a slave to my desires and urges,like gays and liberals are.

Yup...I was in the Navy,and I even tried out for the SEAL's,but my eyesight was too poor to qualify,and I didn't meet any gay sailors either..but my company and our sister company,did run off all the gays hanging around the strip by the base.

I find that your charges of me being homophobic,a pitiful and childish tactic..you can stomp yer feet and throw a hissy fit all you want..but I'm sure that you will have no peace of mind,as long as the adults are in charge,in the White House,thank God.

Have a good one....

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Did you go to Church today Torog?

Did you pray for the homos to rot in hell?

Or perhaps you prayed in suport of ours troops?

Or that Jesus Christ will come and judge the wicked?

With all the different views in this country do you really think that not even a single Homosexual Christian Conservative exists?

BTW Conservative is a political term and being a Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing conservative ideals.

Being Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing Christian ideals either, last time I check the only requirtement to being a christian is to beleive in him.

With every positive prayer you are told to mimic in mass, it carries with it the opposite to that message.

Go ahead, keep washing that brain out of your head.

Your relationship with god is yours and yours along, religion is a word tagged to give a face to an organization that creates man made rules in order to make you feel fear from going to "hell".

You are full of anger, and you placate it by hateing someone else.

If they didnt tell you to hate Homo's you would hate someone else. But of course you need that endorsement from the church first.

Cant go hateing on your own free will.

Peace.

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Did you go to Church today Torog?

Did you pray for the homos to rot in hell?

Or perhaps you prayed in suport of ours troops?

Or that Jesus Christ will come and judge the wicked?

With all the different views in this country do you really think that not even a single Homosexual Christian Conservative exists?

BTW Conservative is a political term and being a Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing conservative ideals.

Being Homosexual does not exclude you from haveing Christian ideals either, last time I check the only requirtement to being a christian is to beleive in him.

With every positive prayer you are told to mimic in mass, it carries with it the opposite to that message.

Go ahead, keep washing that brain out of your head.

Your relationship with god is yours and yours along, religion is a word tagged to give a face to an organization that creates man made rules in order to make you feel fear from going to "hell".

You are full of anger, and you placate it by hateing someone else.

If they didnt tell you to hate Homo's you would hate someone else. But of course you need that endorsement from the church first.

Cant go hateing on your own free will.

Peace.

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Howdy Marlboroman,

You ask: " Did you go to Church today ?"

Yup..I hewed a log..and God and His Son,Jesus Christ..was there...Praises be to God..the Kingdom of Heaven..is within my heart.

I never pray for God to hurt anyone,I only ask that He bring the wicked to justice..and help those in need,who need His help.

I always pray in support of our troops and I pray that God gives Bush the wisdom to lead them well and that Good will triumph over Evil.

My anger,if any,is directed towards the sin,not the sinner. I don't reckon,that it's possible for you to understand that concept,and I don't understand why not,because you claim to be much more intelligent than me and all the folks in fly-over country,that your anger is directed towards.

I don't recieve direction,instruction or guidance..on who is on the daily 'hate' list..that's your fabrication. I find,that it is you and your ilk,that is full of anger,and that you recieve frequent updates on whom to hate,from your liberal,elitist, propaganda masters.

Do you and Blue Cat,go to the Democratic Underground website,and git yer daily list of whom to hate..complete with talking points,everyday ? Every time you visit the DU site,yer washin out yer brain..can't you see that ?

Blue Cat,is so filled with snobbery and hate,she's retreated from debate with me..like much of the Left,she's full of hate and cowardice,and is a classic example of the harm that liberal teachers like her,do to their students. Thank God,she didn't do what alot of liberals do,and abort her son..because the world would have one less freedom fighter in it..I wonder what the other 40 million murdered children,would have done for the world..?

Have a good one....

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Howdy Marlboroman,

You ask: " Did you go to Church today ?"

Yup..I hewed a log..and God and His Son,Jesus Christ..was there...Praises be to God..the Kingdom of Heaven..is within my heart.

I never pray for God to hurt anyone,I only ask that He bring the wicked to justice..and help those in need,who need His help.

I always pray in support of our troops and I pray that God gives Bush the wisdom to lead them well and that Good will triumph over Evil.

My anger,if any,is directed towards the sin,not the sinner. I don't reckon,that it's possible for you to understand that concept,and I don't understand why not,because you claim to be much more intelligent than me and all the folks in fly-over country,that your anger is directed towards.

I don't recieve direction,instruction or guidance..on who is on the daily 'hate' list..that's your fabrication. I find,that it is you and your ilk,that is full of anger,and that you recieve frequent updates on whom to hate,from your liberal,elitist, propaganda masters.

Do you and Blue Cat,go to the Democratic Underground website,and git yer daily list of whom to hate..complete with talking points,everyday ? Every time you visit the DU site,yer washin out yer brain..can't you see that ?

Blue Cat,is so filled with snobbery and hate,she's retreated from debate with me..like much of the Left,she's full of hate and cowardice,and is a classic example of the harm that liberal teachers like her,do to their students. Thank God,she didn't do what alot of liberals do,and abort her son..because the world would have one less freedom fighter in it..I wonder what the other 40 million murdered children,would have done for the world..?

Have a good one....

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Howdy Torog,

You speak so much of cowwardice hate and snobbery but yet every post you proudly display your hatefult and spiteful anti-democrat propaganda. An old man in a wheelchair shamefully trying to make up for "evil" and anti-american sentiment, your emasculating of john kerry in his campaign to withdraw troops from iraq (yeh he's a real pussy for not screaming "march" huh torog?, a picture of more propaganda with the finger dipped in ink bullshit nice "election" that's a sham as far as anyone can see and your racist poster of whoopi in the bathtub like the republican party is so fuckin pure and innocent. and you call US snobs? you and your false christian movement rallying followers and damning them to hell if they dont do otherwise.

hahaha.

trying to undermine the election now huh?too funny.

i bet the 8 and half million iraqis disagree with you.i bet you wouldnt vote here in a hard rain.but thats good.

you should go to the middle east instead of running your mouth.i know torog lived there.??

shutup amsterdam. you never make any good points

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Howdy Torog,

You speak so much of cowwardice hate and snobbery but yet every post you proudly display your hatefult and spiteful anti-democrat propaganda. An old man in a wheelchair shamefully trying to make up for "evil" and anti-american sentiment, your emasculating of john kerry in his campaign to withdraw troops from iraq (yeh he's a real pussy for not screaming "march" huh torog?, a picture of more propaganda with the finger dipped in ink bullshit nice "election" that's a sham as far as anyone can see and your racist poster of whoopi in the bathtub like the republican party is so f*ckin pure and innocent. and you call US snobs? you and your false christian movement rallying followers and damning them to hell if they dont do otherwise.

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Howdy nicholas,

First off..let's git this straight...the old man in the wheelchair ain't trying to make up for any evil,except that of the by-standers,who are ungrateful for their hard-fought,hard-won freedoms,that they take for granted. The only ones who should be ashamed,are the idiots sittin on the curb..I salute my fellow veteran,for standing for the Colors,even though he's wheel-chair bound.

Secondly,I rarely ever tell anyone that they are going to Hell and be damned..when I do,it's because of their own actions,not because of their beliefs or lack thereof. Christians in America,are rallying because they finally realize,that we are deep into a Culture War...and the very heart and ideals that made America the greatest country in the world ever,are in serious danger from secular humanists,liberal elitists and amoral relativists..America,is in danger of falling from Grace.

Have a good one....