New here - New CFL Grower - Already having issues with seedlings. Please help!

I didn't read the entire thread, but do yourself a favor.. dump the miracle grow. I'd recommend getting some brand of soilless mix that already has perlite and such in it. Sunshine Mix #4, ProEarth, etc.. This is neutral with no nutrients in it. Once you have this, repot your seedlings.. just be gentle in the process. One of the big advantages to soilless mix is you can basically rinse it out during the grow keeping things nice. For pH, run it around 6.0 in veg and take it down to 5.5 once you go into flower. You are right on nutrients for now.. not needed until the seedling is 3-4 weeks and has at least 2 sets of good leaves. Once you do start adding nutrients, try to mix them much weaker than recommended on the bottles. If you can get a meter to measure pH and ppm, do. For ppm's I go with a range of 200 ppm (in early veg) to a max of about 550 ppm in flower. This is much weaker than other folks, but hey it works. Anyway, good luck! Farmer Rich

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Originally Posted by polishpollack

I have to disagree with low_rdr, sorry pilgrim, but I think what's going on here is low nitrogen. The first structures, the cots, are yellow along with the first leaves yellow and what is needed here is a small shot of nitrogen. I think your ingoing water pH is a little low. If that's out of the tap, I'd be surprised. Anyway, get some distilled water from the store and you can use inexpensive fert like Schultz brand you can get pretty much anywhere that fert is sold. It's strange because MG is known for putting out hot fert soils, but I guess their organic soil isn't so hot. Just a few drops of the Schultz 10-15-10 in a gallon of distilled water will make the difference. I don't think it's fert burn because there is a lot of yellowing like the nitrogen is too low. So give some fert. If you want a better fert, go to a hydro shop and get something like dynagro 7-9-5. Just follow the directions on the bottle. Keep us posted here on how things go. don't water/fert too much, just enough to keep the soil wet for now.

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I have FF Big Bloom, Grow Big and Tiger Bloom. Would a little bit of either of those work?


Those pics were from this morning. Here's an update today when I came home....

Plant #1 (in order from top to bottom above)
This one is my healthiest one, I think. The leaves aren't curling, the burns on the tips are starting to subside a bit and it is still looking green. New leaves coming in strong.
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Plant #2
This one looks OK. The new leaves coming in are shooting upward and are growing in length, but not width like Plant #1. The old leaves also still showing the effects of the MG nute burn, but are they getting yellower? I think they are a bit...
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Plant #3
This one doesn't look so good. It is growing sideways and kind of flopping to the side. This one is showing the effects of nute burn really bad. However, the new leaves that are coming in are green, but they are twisted and growing crooked, too. I'm not sure what to do with this guy. :confused:
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Help appreciated as always!

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Originally Posted by Farmer Rich

I didn't read the entire thread, but do yourself a favor.. dump the miracle grow. I'd recommend getting some brand of soilless mix that already has perlite and such in it. Sunshine Mix #4, ProEarth, etc.. This is neutral with no nutrients in it. Once you have this, repot your seedlings.. just be gentle in the process. One of the big advantages to soilless mix is you can basically rinse it out during the grow keeping things nice. For pH, run it around 6.0 in veg and take it down to 5.5 once you go into flower. You are right on nutrients for now.. not needed until the seedling is 3-4 weeks and has at least 2 sets of good leaves. Once you do start adding nutrients, try to mix them much weaker than recommended on the bottles. If you can get a meter to measure pH and ppm, do. For ppm's I go with a range of 200 ppm (in early veg) to a max of about 550 ppm in flower. This is much weaker than other folks, but hey it works. Anyway, good luck! Farmer Rich

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Yeah I did a transfer a couple of posts ago. Check it out!

Good that you repotted. Regarding your question above for nutes.. I wouldn't at this point.. just water, but don't over do it. The strong will recover and survive.. Knowing your new to this, start thinking in weeks instead of hours or days. They will take a little while to recover. Since these are so new, as a safety plan, you may want to pop a couple of more seeds.

Im gonna agree with farmer sorry I haven't responded I think your seeing old issues farmer saying think in weeks is a good plan its not gonna heal over night the unhealthy ones damage might have been worse than you originally thought sometimes they will continue to worsen even after conditions are fixed up to acceptable and only time will show you if its gonna turn it around but on the same note being new your gonna have problems and alot of work will be needed on problem diagnosis even for all the wizards out there!! So you don't wanna assume its an old problem and let it go until you find out it was a new problem n ur plants dead!! I think your perfect its good to be a little paranoid, a little extra tlc will only help teach you jist as long as you don't love it to death, I'd keep watching the sick one for new problems spots marks etc stick with regular watering letting your soil dry 1/3 of the depth of the pot between waterings and see how they look in a few more days.. and in soil 5.8 is low you wanna be around 6.5 and your water for watering should be no more than a few points off from your run off as to not shock the plants...

And o gee!! Thanks everyone this guys getting pummeled with help!! And I can't ever even get a single response on my problems!!!?? Come on people I'm having my own issues with can someone help me out too!!???

Here's where I am right now:

I went and bought FFoF and FF Light Warrior. I transplanted plant #1 and plant #2 into the new light warrior soil and added a bit more perlite for "fluffiness" and breathability. I also transplanted the new seedlings I had popping through into the light warrior. I also have 2 more germs that I started yesterday, which are also in light warrior. Therefore, I have a total of six plants going right now. As for the sick-looking plant #3, I ended its life yesterday. Sad story.....Anyway moving on. The first two plants I started are still showing better signs. The first leaves still show the nute burn from the older soil and possibly stress as these have gone through a lot. The one thing I did notice is that the new leaves coming in are growing in green and looking good, so I am not giving up on them. I have them both planted to the leaves so if new roots want to grow, they can do so. The two new seedlings are looking nice and green and I have not seen the other two yet, but let's hope that those two are going to grow strong and fast now that I have them in the proper soil.

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Looks like they're coming back, good job! Give them some time now.. just as you think it's going slow, they seem to kick in.

Farmer Rich

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And o gee!! Thanks everyone this guys getting pummeled with help!! And I can't ever even get a single response on my problems!!!?? Come on people I'm having my own issues with can someone help me out too!!???

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Did you ever get the help you were looking for?

Farmer Rich

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Did you ever get the help you were looking for?

Farmer Rich

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No... check out my thread, new problem, could use a hand.. and excuse my excessive typing I'm just thorough lol I'm thinking its a Ph problem causing all my issues but check it out!!