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I do believe that MM centers do provide a service to folks that need them. I am not against free enterprise for anybody, however I am against patients confidentiality being thrown to the wind so the centers can provide their service. Yes, I do understand that the centers are in a jam when it comes to state vs. federal laws and that will only be settled by time I suppose. My whole argument comes from the feeling I get that since the mmc's are taking a big risk that the patients privacy should not matter. Bullshit! You argue that cameras are everywhere, and for the most part that is true, But when you go to an establishment that has cameras you are not required to taped from the time you APPROACH the establishment, throughout your time while in the place, then you certainly do not put your ID card down next to your items you are purchasing to have a video record of your purchase. Tell me where that happens? My issue is not that I am worried the man is coming down on me for buying my medicine, my issue is the erosion of my privacy and that should be a concern to all. I suppose if I had invested money into the mmc side of things I would be lobbying hard for any type of regulation to help my business be successfull and I do believe that is what is happenning here. The comments that are coming out show where mmcs hearts are. We, the patients are being treated like criminals when we have the legal right to participate in the procurement and ingestion of our medicine. Why should we be " okay " with being treated as criminals. The town I live in has banned mmcs and while I personally do not have a dog in the fight, I do believe it is wrong for a select group of individuals to decide amongst themselves to ban another individual from opening a legitimate business because they don't think it would be a good thing to have that kind of store in our town. But the same individuals at the same time approved alcohol taste testing at the liquor stores in town. Again, the patients are being treated as though we are doing something wrong and must be kept on a leash with more rules and the potential to be monitored in a real time instance. Like I said, I do believe that the centers do serve a good purpose, I just hate to see the centers allowing the rights of patients to be eroded away for their profit.

I believe most of the Nazi rules enforced at Organicann in Santa Rosa are a direct result of rules created by the city allowing them to continue to operate in the city of Santa Rosa. I believe the clubs are doing whatever they have to do to be able to continue to do business. However I have gone to other clubs in Santa Rosa who do not have the same strict set of rules. It is possible that Organicann is trying to go beyond the city regs to keep the locals off their backs. Messing with patients rights to a degree that is not necessary.

Once I got my license I conceded that the local, state and federal law enforcement agencies are privy to that information and may very well come back to use it against me one day. This is why I resisted getting my license for years and years even through a few droughts when going to the club and making a donation to receive some buds was very tempting. It took the choppers hovering over my plants and visibly counting them that prompted me to get the license.

Once you have the license whether you go to the club or not does not make any difference. You are already on the list. All it takes is another attorney general like Asscrotch and your rights are trampled. He sent Tommy Chong to jail for glass pipes.

Agree, once I got my redcard I was on the list too. It took me quite awhile to make that decision to get on the list and truthfully I only did it to keep my name out of the local paper for my family's sake should I run up against the law, at least I felt that with the confidientality of the registry that I was afforded some degree of protection. I have since had second thoughts. Regardless, that is not my reason for asking the question to begin with. It is all about the erosion of our ( yes ALL of OUR ) rights.

When I go to my Dr. and it is suggested that I try a medication that may help my condition and that happens to be a controlled substance and I go to the pharmacy to obtain the prescription, I am not treated like a criminal to get the medication. Period. There may be cameras, but they are for the security of the pharmacy in case of robbery etc..., not to capture my transaction in case I should decide to go out and sell my prescription. They don't give a rats ass about me, it is for their protection to identify someone that takes from them. Do you think big pharma would stand by and let their customers be treated like criminals for buying their products. Hell no they would not, nor would the liquor industry stand for similar regulations. They would flobby the hell out of the government to protect the PRIVACY of their customers. But the MMC's seem to be willing to throw away whatever of their patients rights so they can continue to operate and make money. I don't have a problem with them or anyone else making money, that is the name of the game, just don't trample on the rights of your customers to do it! If it is this way for MMJ then let's make it this way for any product that you must have a prescription for or be a certain age to obtain. I wonder if the elected officials would be so happy to have their transactions videotaped, OH WAIT did we not just see how one of them acted when he was on camera negotiating with a MMC owner, then tore up his amendment when he was caught on VIDEO. Guess they would not care too much for their privacy to be stripped away either, and that happenned in a public forum. It is all about your rights being taken away from you so that others may profit.

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Originally Posted by Colodonmed

You argue that cameras are everywhere, and for the most part that is true, But when you go to an establishment that has cameras you are not required to taped from the time you APPROACH the establishment, throughout your time while in the place, then you certainly do not put your ID card down next to your items you are purchasing to have a video record of your purchase. Tell me where that happens?

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Bought any Claritin-D lately for you allergies? Yeah, it happened there. Not only do they have a video record at the pharmacy, they also have sent that transaction to a central database that every other pharmacy in the state is linked into.

Again I'm not saying that I endorse it, I'm just saying it's already being done. Honestly, I hate this shit more than most. But it is what it is, and still better than a non med state.

BTW, it's not the evil dispensaries pushing for this. I hate when people throw that crap out there. It's the state requiring it. Why do you even remotely consider that a dispensary would want this? That statement defies logic.

Have you noticed how many dispensaries are closing their doors due to the "profits" ?

I don't consider my license as anything more than an argument if I end up having to go to court. It will just make the lawyers job a little easier.

I did get profiled in Santa Rosa driving my truck down the highway with an old tarp covering a big load of camp gear. A local cop pulled us over and said he smelled marijuana. He took my daughter who was driving aside and asked her if we had weed. She told him that we had 1/8 in the cab. He had a dog in his car so she figured he smelled it and copped to the eigth being in the cab even though it was more like an ounce. He asked if she had a license and if I had a license and if we could produce them. She said yes and that we could produce them. The cop asked her if he could look under the tarp and she started to take it off so he said that it was OK and asked to talk to me. She told me real quick that she said we had an eigth so when he asked I told him we had an eigth and I don't know how he could smell such a small amount driving down the freeway. He asked me if he could look under the tarp and I started taking it off. He stopped me and said we were too willing to let him look and we could go. He never asked to see the eigth in the cab or our licenses. We had about 2 lbs under the tarp.

So I think having the license was of value in that particular case.

It is so sad that we give up our rights so easily. Just watch the movie 1984 or read the book to see how bad having cameras everywhere can be. Pretty soon you won't be able to pick your nose or scratch your ass without having it all on camera. Big brother is not just coming he is being welcomed with open arms.

SOCOMMJ, thanks for the response. I hope you believe me when I state this...We are on the same side here. I hope your center thrives, I hope you are able to provide for your family and your employees families. I hope that you will continue to provide a quality product for your customer base, that is what it is all about. That is what is so great about this country and I don't want to see it TAKEN from any of us. I did not know about the claritin -d, and if that is true then we ALL should be up in arms over that as well. And I do believe you when you say you hate this shit more than most. I can understand that when you pour everything into your business and it is threatened, I do understand and wish you the dest. But I do disagree with you on the point you make " BTW it's not the evil dispensaries pushing for this ", as I am aware of lobbyists that work for different sides of the issue. Maybe your center does not retain the services of a lobbying group, but it is OBVIOUS that some mmcs do and they have them fighting tooth and nail for regulation that ultimatley is going to trample all of our rights, not just mine, but ALL. There does need to be regulation, there does not need to be a total disregard for a patients privacy. By the way, the centers that are for this in my opinion have the real goal of controlling this market and I would venture to state that they don't give a crap about your center, I believe it is their goal to put their competition ( you ) out of business just as fast as they possibly can. They want it all, they do not want the caregiver model, they don't want patients to be able to grow their own, they want to control it and revel in it. Why out of the clear blue does the state DOR now want any patient that is growing their own medicine to now declare where they are growing. Why?

To just shrug your shoulders and say " the cameras are everywhere " or whatever and just accept the invasion of privacy is not ok with me. Like I said, we are on the same side here, I want patients to have unrestricted access to the medicine that helps so many people, but I don't feel that giving away our rights to get it is acceptable, period. The mmcs that want to stomp on my privacy to survive can kiss my ass.

And no I really have not noticed how many dispensaries are closing the doors due to their profits, I suppose many more will close due to the proposed legislation because I think that quite a few patients are going to stop acquiring their medicine if the new law passes and privacy is out the window. The ones that survive will most likely in my opinion be the ones with the monetary power to keep paying their lobby groups to fine tune the law for THEM and them alone.

I really truly hope your center is one that can stay open, I have never read on any forums anything negative about your center that I recall, and you seem to come across at least to me on most of your postings that you DO CARE about US, and for that I say thank you!!

Very well said.Many of us feel the same as you do.This thread got a little bit hi jacked .It would be interesting to see what percent felt the way we do

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Originally Posted by porone

Very well said.Many of us feel the same as you do.This thread got a little bit hi jacked .It would be interesting to see what percent felt the way we do

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Thank you Porone, I too am curious about the numbers.

I've weighed in on other threads, but yea, I'm done with the commercial model due to the regs already in place, and the ones they are trying to pass.

Article IV all the way.

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

Where do you go that doesn't have cameras?

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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ

Every time you go to Wal-Mart to buy Tampons and Cheetos you are on video.

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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ

Bought any Claritin-D lately for you allergies? Yeah, it happened there. Not only do they have a video record at the pharmacy, they also have sent that transaction to a central database that every other pharmacy in the state is linked into.

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These are not wal mart cameras. They are VEGAS QUALITY ZOOM IN SEE EVERYTHING CAMERAS. Your purchases will be tracked and databased. They will know how much and how often you buy. If a red flag goes up, who do you think comes to see you.

Claritin-D is not a schedule 1 drug. A change of the presidency or mood and the DEA dog gets unleashed. Who do you think they will have on a SILVER PLATTER?

The failure of MMCs to protect patients will be one more nail in the coffin that will put most out of business. No one I know is renewing his or her card again. I know a dozen MMCs that are gone and a couple dozen more that will be gone in a few months.

Josh Stanley and his lobbyist thugs are coming after caregivers now with their zoning laws etc. If I were you, I would distance myself from any database.