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Summing up what you are saying in my mind, the law is unconstitutional from the beginning, passed under false pretenses to aid corporations in the chemical, paper, petroleum, and pharmaceutical industries. A total usurpation of individual rights that are inalienable given under the 1st Amendment. I'll buy that. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

We all know that state legalization is just the first step and is the easiest step. federally its still a long journey. But it could all be made so much easier if we just make our governors and legislatures to obey both the federal constitution and our state constitution. There is nothing illegal about growing and selling this product as long as it doesn't cross state lines. The feds have no constitutional jurisdiction, but that never stops them because we have yet to have a governor or a state attorney to obey his oath that they gave when they were elected to these offices. The 10th Amendment allows states to do whatever they want within there state boundaries as long as they don't violate the constitution or bill of rights. See anything in the constitution or bill of rights that says hemp is illegal? No, because its outside the boundaries of the constitution and is there for given to the people and the states to decide.
All it requires is our governor to obey her oath of office.
Look at whats to Obamacare. Its being struck down because it violates the constitution. You had 25 or 30 state attorneys that stepped forward and stated they would have to fight this on constitutional grounds. Even in our own state where the governor tried to order the attorney to stop the lawsuit.

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Originally Posted by BurningLizard

We are not legalizing anything, we are decriminalizing Cannabis by simply cutting the laws out of the books. Reversing prohibition. Giving cannabis the legal status of my front lawn (if your over 18).

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Repealing UCSA in respects to the substance Cannabis L. Sativa in Wa. ? Is not decriminalizing anything.;)

You will see.:D

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Originally Posted by gypski

Summing up what you are saying in my mind, the law is unconstitutional from the beginning, passed under false pretenses to aid corporations in the chemical, paper, petroleum, and pharmaceutical industries. A total usurpation of individual rights that are inalienable given under the 1st Amendment. I'll buy that. :thumbsup:

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Thats it. The feds have no jurisdiction. They keep trying to claim that right through the constitutions commerce clause, but that does not stand a constitutional challenge. The commerce clause is specific. Its only for moderating commodities that cross state lines and it was never designed to regulate anything. It was to arbitrate difficulties between 2 or more states to allow free commerce.
Its really a mess and our best hope is for a financial collapse of the country so that we can go back and fix these issues. As long as multi national corporations are spending billions of dollars on buying our congressmen it will never change.
Greed is god and the only God in AMerica.

I'm with ya. That is what they used to deny Raich. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

Thats it. The feds have no jurisdiction. They keep trying to claim that right through the constitutions commerce clause, but that does not stand a constitutional challenge. The commerce clause is specific. Its only for moderating commodities that cross state lines and it was never designed to regulate anything. It was to arbitrate difficulties between 2 or more states to allow free commerce.
Its really a mess and our best hope is for a financial collapse of the country so that we can go back and fix these issues. As long as multi national corporations are spending billions of dollars on buying our congressmen it will never change.
Greed is god and the only God in AMerica.

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Originally Posted by gypski

I'm with ya. That is what they used to deny Raich. :thumbsup:

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The actual kernel to raich was dronabinaol..i.e. marinol.. A SYNTHETIC COMPOUND

They just used the excuse of the commerce clause to cover their deceit. Seems common in politics...

Tis one scheme and artifice they think they got away with.. we shall see in the coming years how that worked out for them.:D

And as we're slowly finding out is the commerce clause does not apply to all these issues. We now have states that have legalized large caliber rifles, and silencers and other things because they know the feds have no legal authority to legislate these things based on the commerce clause. The ATF is a completely illegal, unconstitutional organization.
I wish the 10th Amendment drive would have started decades ago because I fear we're running out of time.
Being a Libertarian for over 30 years the Constitution and Bill of Rights have always had an important meaning to me because that is the platform on which Libertarianism resides. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the law of the land. If its not in there then its left up to the individual states or people to deal with.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

And as we're slowly finding out is the commerce clause does not apply to all these issues. We now have states that have legalized large caliber rifles, and silencers and other things because they know the feds have no legal authority to legislate these things based on the commerce clause. The ATF is a completely illegal, unconstitutional organization.
I wish the 10th Amendment drive would have started decades ago because I fear we're running out of time.
Being a Libertarian for over 30 years the Constitution and Bill of Rights have always had an important meaning to me because that is the platform on which Libertarianism resides. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the law of the land. If its not in there then its left up to the individual states or people to deal with.

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My mothers family came here from a foreign land to embrace the U.S. Const... so I feel your depth.

Back on track now..

I would love to see us all benefit from Honest services from our government in our initiative [ legislative body rights] to respect the laws of the people, since they carry our name on their sleeves. and in their WALLETS!! Not to mention their mortgages.

Has anyone ever considered a state tax act ? lol.

Didn't we go through the same type of prohibition under 1937 tax act ? Only federal like? Now we are going to especially vote in a state one... with the guise of it is a different color painted with a different brush??:wtf:

I want clarity before I sign my name to anything... Contract law folks, contract law. A public contract at that, between US and THEM.. us being we the people in which our trustee' owe loyalty to US.. not their self-serving interests.

Them, the trio... The Supreme Court of Wa. dba The state of Wa....;)

I would always be in favor of a sales tax system over an income tax system Just because sales taxes are voluntary, income taxes are not. I would feel the same way about a national sales tax. Shut down the income tax system and go to sales tax and I wouldn't care if the tax rate was at 50%, i would still prefer the sales tax because its voluntary.

Okay, are you going to sign the petition or not, James? Stop making things so complicated. We need to work on this one step at a time. Wisconsin is fighting their governor right now, and people are watching closely. They will also be watching the feds really closing when we get this passed. Let's quit bitching and quoting law and spend some of that energy to get this on the ballot and get is passed. Join us, or get out of the way, cuz we are going for broke (most of us already are, lol). This is as good a place to start as any, and we have the backing and we are gonna do it. We'll fight the feds when we are done.