Legal MJ in Colorado!

decriminalization is the only way to go.

legalization in all its forms will end up making the average "joe pot grower" a white collar criminal or some other criminal. It will end up ending a culture.

I'm sure the farm implements are already patented. You all bitch and moan about mites and powdery mildew and dispensaries that don't "care".

If you think the combine cowboy harvesting your "marleys" gives a fuck about some stoner/patient. You think genetically engineered BIG BUD will be good medicine? Oh yeah hand me a hit of that "round up ready" kush.......... cough, cough.


scenario: 1/4 section of "medical marijuana" out on the plains has an infestation of powdery mildew. do you think that farmer will throw his hands up and say 'oh well"? Fuck no. He will dump anything legal on that medicine to save his crop. ......mmmmm, now that's good medicine.


I still say that when pot is legalized and not decriminalized, only outlaws will have the KB's

In my humble opinion we need Decriminalization, like Pseudo Legalization.

My reason for that is we need the government to keep the hands of OUR herb and not turn it into another government controlled commodity/crop!!

A large amount of Cali medical growers I know were very happy that Prop19 didn't pass for various reason but mainly for my above comment.

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Originally Posted by HarvestHouse

decriminalization is the only way to go.

legalization in all its forms will end up making the average "joe pot grower" a white collar criminal or some other criminal. It will end up ending a culture.

I'm sure the farm implements are already patented. You all bitch and moan about mites and powdery mildew and dispensaries that don't "care".

If you think the combine cowboy harvesting your "marleys" gives a fuck about some stoner/patient. You think genetically engineered BIG BUD will be good medicine? Oh yeah hand me a hit of that "round up ready" kush.......... cough, cough.


scenario: 1/4 section of "medical marijuana" out on the plains has an infestation of powdery mildew. do you think that farmer will throw his hands up and say 'oh well"? Fuck no. He will dump anything legal on that medicine to save his crop. ......mmmmm, now that's good medicine.


I still say that when pot is legalized and not decriminalized, only outlaws will have the KB's

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Another Great Post HH.....:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin

If you truly believe this is how the real world works you are sadly mistaken and I can only surmise you are fresh out of school with little real life experience. Obviously you learned very little from 1284 and have no problem with money influencing law. I will take decriminalization any day over corporate control. No way in hell did I and many others pay the price the last three decades fighting for and using a product just to enrich a few that have up until recently fought to keep it illegal, and yes I have the battle scars to prove it. Do you?

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I started growing in '93 and have had issues with the law twice. That is why I believe ending the drug war is more important than anything. I do not believe ending the drug war can happen unless it is legal. If it is legal, large corporations will be able to farm it just like any other crop.

Also, Zed... stop putting words in my mouth and assuming you know me or anything about me. The fact you think I'm ok with having money influence law and 1284 is insulting and ridiculous. The fact is I support a position that would directly have a negative impact on my income... because I think it is the right thing to do. I think you believe what you do for mostly selfish reasons.

Another FACT. If it is legal and grown large scale there's nothing to stop small scale quality producers.... and if you can't hang you're going to get left out. I think a lot of people are afraid they won't be able to produce a high enough quality product in a competitive marketplace and this influences their position.

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Originally Posted by HarvestHouse

I'm sure the farm implements are already patented. You all bitch and moan about mites and powdery mildew and dispensaries that don't "care".

If you think the combine cowboy harvesting your "marleys" gives a fuck about some stoner/patient. You think genetically engineered BIG BUD will be good medicine? Oh yeah hand me a hit of that "round up ready" kush.......... cough, cough.


scenario: 1/4 section of "medical marijuana" out on the plains has an infestation of powdery mildew. do you think that farmer will throw his hands up and say 'oh well"? Fuck no. He will dump anything legal on that medicine to save his crop. ......mmmmm, now that's good medicine.

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And who's forcing people to buy PM infested bud or bud that has pesticides applied inappropriately?

The FACT is, it's a huge problem right NOW!

The FACT is, from what I've seen we NEED the DOR to regulate grows because there is so much fungus-infested and pesticide-contaminated bud being produced right NOW, and being sold to PATIENTS in DISPENSARIES.

While there are plenty of good growers and good MMCs there are also plenty of profiteers who have no problem selling bad product to patients, and when it is legal they will have to find a new occupation because they will be forced out of the cannabis biz.

If you guys think things are good as they are right now you need to get your head out of the sand.

in no way do I think things are great in Denver. I know for a fact that there are TONS of dangerous/moldy pot in Denver. Hence the plethora of BHO products. I sell pot in a community that I've lived in since the late 90's. I don't go in any shops down below so maybe things are worse than I realize. I can't imagine commercial ag grown pot being safer in reality.

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Originally Posted by HarvestHouse

legalization in all its forms will end up making the average "joe pot grower" a white collar criminal or some other criminal. It will end up ending a culture.

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If it is truly legal, as in it is no longer a crime to cultivate or possess, then there is no way to turn any grower into a criminal. very simple. It only works if there is full legalization though. Adding limitations such as plant counts, limiting the space or age are all things that will create a black market and thus create criminals out of ordinary people.

We have yet to see a true legalization bill anywhere in america. Cali's bill was decriminalization under the guise of legalization, not true legalization.

Dorje speaks for me. No reason to post.

When the election gets closer, I will surely maintain the Traitor's List. Hopefully, we can get it stickied so no patient who reads this board will mistakenly purchase from a caregiver or MMC who opposes legalization. I vote not only in the ballot box, but with my wallet and every other patient should do the same; on this issue and on others. Commercial growers who vote for continued persecution of marijuana users should be publicly held up as the hypocritical assholes they are. Period. I think we should make a list of caregivers and dispensaries who are fighting legalization and then give the list to prisoners who are currently incarcerated for using or selling marijuana. Maybe if some of these owners and managers could read the stories of the real victims of the drug war it would convince them to change their minds. Maybe not.

We've seen commercial growers fight against public regulation for themselves - they were quite active on both sides of the 1284 debate. Now we will see which of them are willing to fight for the right of every adult Coloradan to grow and use marijuana. The MMJ industry should be as strong a support for legalization as MMJ patients are. I want to see donations. I want to see benefit events. Most of all, I want to see the petition in the front office of every dispensary in the state. Folks, this issue is going to show us which commercial operators are our friends, and which ones are only pretending to be in order to get our money.

(Can you see the holy roller glow in my eyes? MJ legalization is the closest I get to religious zeal. If we shut our mouths and let the naysayers walk all over us, marijuana will never be legal, and the blatant injustice of incarcerating innocent pot users will continue. We have a chance to strike a blow for justice in the ballot box, and I for one will work hard to make sure it's a heavy one.)

Legalization will come (eventually,but not in 2012, unfortunately) incrementally or not at all, no matter what we want. It is the nature of our present political system. As to all the complaints about regulation rather than a complete lack thereof, you are at least 70 years too late. Not that I disagree, but since the New Deal and the Supreme Court decisions thereunder that basically invalidated the 9th and 10th amendments, that's a dead letter. Tilt away, all of you Dons Quixote, welcome to my world.

HighPopalorum------> I'm not fighting legalization. I want pot growing everywhere....... but I won't support legislation/initiatives that empower big biz and the man . keep your list. fuck you. when the real list of who did what is written, remember that I was the first to sell top shelf pot for $200-250 max. since april. Given away over a thousand clones of Cherry Lime and other clones. Sold as low as 100 an oz, Given away pounds to needy Nederland folks. I'm building a purpose building to grow in out of pocket........ and still committed to keeping my prices at $250 max.

1284 was bullshit. the next serving they give us will be shit to. If you don't mind eating shit, go ahead, take what's being served.

It's the peoples plant, I've bent over backwards for it, given up all of my non-able to be made "kosher" grows, given up ALL of my privacy, all my money, and working my ass off to provide the folks good medicine at real prices. I have dozens of elite clones in house now, free non-propriatary cuts to all patients.

I think I'm one of the good ones. If you come into my shop with out enough cash, I bet you walk out of Harvest House with what you need.

High Popa'whatever, what have you done. What are you doing to help.

boycott me, protest me. I bet you just look like an asshole in front of my shop........ with the new handicapped ramp we just put in.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: HH