Males, Females, and early recognition

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Now I have had one instance of the red not showing. It was recent. I picked a 'female' seed by the criteria stated, and it is almost done flowering at this writing. So, it seems the butt end of the seed may be even more accurate. This plant has never shown any of the red at all throughout it's life.

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Many have seen in my grow log that I am attempting to prove this theory. I have attempted to label the sex of 4 seedlings at day 6 using Washougal's criteria. This has resulted in 2 hard ID's with one plant clearly indicating male and one clearly female with a solid red main stalk. The other two are not so clear, but I have noticed something and wonder if others can confirm this from pictures of their early plants. In all but the big fast growing green one that we think is male, the main stalk between the first true leaves and the first internode is clearly red (day 16). Is this a true indicator? Time will tell.

Emmie

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female.

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I have also been testing your early sexing technique and from what I have observed, they have showed signs of being female from as early as day 4. Next, I'll have to test your perfect circle on seeds theory. Why do your posts make me get all "Bill Nye"? haha :detective1:

Happy holidays to all!
:noel:

while i laid in hospital this thread went from pics of nice normal pre-flowers to red streaks on seedlings and prefect circles on seeds :wtf: i'm finding it impossible to resist the urge to sprout a few dozen seeds to test these theories ....da*n internet...,must look at every seed with mag glass , record round or not , label seed ,look at each sprout ,record red streak or not.....THANKS....THANKS ALOT......so much paper work ahead:( .....or maybe hobble on back to bed and let the young folks take care of it ......damn pharms are kicking in...fuck it...call me later baby.

For what it's worth, I noted the shape of the seed's li'l 'ole when planting 2 horseflowers.
One was quite round, one was oval.
The oval became a male with a touch of purple on a few fanleaf stems, but none on the main stalk.
And the round 'ole seed jus' popped pistils but has the exact same coloration, or lack of same.
Looks like dis;
First, da kane. (male)

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Den, da Wahine
Shorter, fatter, but same coloration, yah?;
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"There are additional little indicators, like the parts I call the spurs. They seem to look more like crossed swords early in life whereas in males they just look like pointy things sticking up."

I'm thinking that the "crossed swords" thingie is more dependent on the diameter of the stem, which is in turn, affected by the speed of growth.
Males generally grow a li'l faster.
Faster growth will "skinny up" the stalk and cause the spurs to cross.
So, in a way, it is an indicator.:cool:


Aloha,
Weeze

Since this thread was to get the newer members a place to startâ?¦..Iâ??d love to continue on with earlier and earlier methods.

For the newer viewers that donâ??t know what Washougal and the WeeZard were referring to about identification from viewing the seedâ?¦.hereâ??s a link with pictures to bring you up to speed.
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-...-sex-seed.html
Thatâ??s certainly better than my awkward attempt to describe it.

I only have a magnifierâ?¦.but I donâ??t have a camera to share that kind of magnification, so if any EyeClops users have the interest to post a picture or twoâ?¦..Iâ??m not willing to spring the $100+ for the BioniCam just now. I might have to wait until I pull anotherâ?¦..I mean have another job!

Weeze, Iâ??ll go back and look againâ?¦.but from memory the 27 yr old â??horseflowersâ?� seed almost never seemed to have a round pocket at the butt, while the 2010 horseflowers seed appeared across the board much more symmetrically round.

The last few seed that I popped were supposed to be femmedâ?¦..one turned out male. I really should have lookedâ?¦.oh well, I will next time.

Washougalâ?¦â?¦backtrack back up to my second post and then down to the third picture. That bad boy has some very red petiolesâ?¦..while the girls(pics 4 and 5) in the first post arenâ??t nearly as redâ?¦..tell me what you think (they are the same genotype). Iâ??m not totally sure that I get it.

You knowâ?¦.we could post a few seed butt picturesâ?¦.take bets on M or F. Who knowsâ?¦this could turn out to be a good little money maker. :D

Still plenty to learn,
HMR

Horse, WW had referred to his early sexing of seeds in post #20 in this thread."I will also add before I do this, that I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female."

So far his early sexing id of early growth plants has been right on the money. There are still a few weeks left in my experiment to be sure his techinique is on the money with my gals although, from my personal experience, I am predicting that WW is on the right path to early id'ing of plants. If this if proven to be fact I will have a lot less termoil waiting to see if my plants are going to yield me something special or going to be a genetic experiment for a later date.

Needless to say, I am hoping that this "new" techinque is something we can all call upon in the future ... is anybody as excited as I am or am I just freaking :stoned: out of my mind?!?

Just so I didn't step on your toes Horseman. :thumbsup:

I am thinking I want some pollen and growing out a male might just be a good way to test the theory - the other way. Need to look thru seeds now and find oval irregular flatter seeds.

Hey WashougalWonder,

I am currently doing this myself too. Here is the link if anyone is interested. http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...h-project.html

Hey Ya'll,

I find the seed shape indicator and stem color indicator, for sex ID to be very fasinating. But it is important to be able to sex the plant the "old fashioned" way, just like Horsemanrocks' pictures at the beginning of this thread shows.

You are going to see a bunch of newbies in the comming months with questions like....."I know it's a female plant 'cause I used a round bottom seed but the plant won't make flowers..." you all know what I mean.:D

The old fashioned way has not failed me, and when I want a surefire method of having female seeds....I make them.;)
OM

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Originally Posted by oldmac

Hey Ya'll,

I find the seed shape indicator and stem color indicator, for sex ID to be very fasinating. But it is important to be able to sex the plant the "old fashioned" way, just like Horsemanrocks' pictures at the beginning of this thread shows.

You are going to see a bunch of newbies in the comming months with questions like....."I know it's a female plant 'cause I used a round bottom seed but the plant won't make flowers..." you all know what I mean.:D

The old fashioned way has not failed me, and when I want a surefire method of having female seeds....I make them.;)
OM

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A'ight!

Nex' time ya whip up a batch of femmed seeds, take macro shots of their "naughty parts an' we'll run 'em by da roundness detector.*

(*Jus' show 'em to da male plants an' stan' back!:D)

Howzit O. M.?
I figure dat folks lookin fo' early I D get what dey need inna firs' two posts, yah?
So, on-topic is well covered.
We can amuse ourselfs wit' dis specutatin' n weed pokin' at da back end.
Dey jus' snip dis off when it goes sticky.:)

Aloha, y'all
Weeze