Both sides discussed at the most distinguished event ever done!
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqWZBkf5PcU[/YOUTUBE]
Hope to see you all there.
MedMike
Printable View
Both sides discussed at the most distinguished event ever done!
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqWZBkf5PcU[/YOUTUBE]
Hope to see you all there.
MedMike
Can't go, but I'd be very interested in seeing a good debate by some real knowledgeable legal experts. I hope you tape it and post it for the rest of us!
ppppssshhhhh your only saying that because your business is going to Die.Quote:
Originally Posted by GROWxMOREx420
and you dont wanna work??
well you know what man. u the shit that gives us stoners a bad name. you
need to get off your fucking ass and get a job. be productive and stop being
so selfish.
CANNABIS CULTURE - For the first time in US history, there is a state initiative to legalize marijuana possession, use, and production for all adults: the California Control & Tax Cannabis Initiative, which will appear on the November election ballot as Proposition 19. Unfortunately, there are some "marijuana activists" who are aggressively opposing the brilliant initiative. In this article I will address some of the myths being told about this initiative, and why I fully support it.
But first, let me explain that opponents of Richard Lee's initiative fall into three groups. The first group is the police and prison industry, represented by their unions and spokespeople. These are the system exploiters who have profited greatly and built power bases at the expense of the people. These are our archenemies, people who think itâ??s okay making a buck by arresting, strip-searching, incarcerating, harassing, and jailing ordinary cannabis consumer and home-growers. They are destroying our constitutional freedoms, seizing our kids, and forcing the cost of marijuana up to immoral prices as part of their love affair with prohibition.
The second group includes the cartels, thugs, street gangs, large commercial growers, commercial medical marijuana growers and their dependents that make exploitative profits taking full advantage of prohibition-inflated prices. They correctly surmise that when every adult in California can make all the homegrown cannabis an individual can produce in 25 square feet, the need for them and their rip-off prices evaporates. Like, gone, baby gone. And with home grows legal, police will target the exploiter large scale grows. Who needs their $350- to $450-per-ounce cannabis when we can all safely and legally grow our own weed at home for about $12.50 an ounce?
The third group is the so-called old guard of the cannabis or medical marijuana movement. The wonderful Proposition-215 pioneer Denis Peron is one, but there are many others. Their opposition is entirely trivial and irrational. It stems from a professional jealousy that a successful, compassionate man like Richard Lee (who has provided over a million dollars of his well-earned money to support this initiative) is doing it without their blessing. No one asked Dennis Peron's permission. Dennis is a hero to the pot movement and has done a great deal to provide marijuana to medical users, but it seems he feels the world of activism has passed him by â?? because it has, and he's jealous.
Perhaps the most loathsome aspect of this debate is the opposition by those large commercial exploiter growers, cartels, "compassionate" medical growers who charge $3,500 - $4,500 a pound wholesale and profit immensely from prohibition, as they have allied themselves with the most cynical and exploitative members of the prohibitionist regime: the cops and the prison industry. I can expect all of the previously mentioned vested interests to contribute big money to the no campaign, which is tragic and unfortunate. That an elder statesman like Dennis Peron is lending false testimony to this campaign against the greatest anti-prohibition initiative put to voters in US history is a sad state of affairs.
I will go through the points asserted by the naysayers and reveal that all are trivial and irrelevant sham arguments. I will point out that the real issue here is the fear these commercial exploiter growers have that their market will utterly dry up. At $12.50 an ounce for your own homegrown, who will pay their rip-off prices anymore? Almost no one, and this has them rightly panicked. Well, I say screw any greedy growers whose love of money is greater than their love of marijuana, and you should too by voting for THE CONTROL & TAX CANNABIS INITIATIVE this November.
I think, if one reads the proposition, individual counties or other government entities can change the grow area, etc to what they want. With legalization demand will increase, and prices will come down eventually. But, if your business model is good and your not a greedy fuck, you will survive with what you have now. This is just Round 1, let's get passed it and vote yes. Then bring it to Washington and we will get it done too. Point, set, match. :pimp:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyman
yes i think your right.The other night on TV they were showing a beer convention.And how beer is having an upsurge.But its the small brewers that are doing better.If i was a grower i'd be looking for some special unique pot to sell and package it ready to sell.This is a time to think creatively.This is a time of great opportunity .This is OUR time and the rest of the nation wants to do the same.You could sell ation-wide and that will give you more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypski
vOTE YES AND WE WILL IRON OUT THE DETAILS LATER
yeah, that sounds about right. a 1 sq ft. circle would be about 1 ft. 2 in. in diameter. which then, to me, begs the question ... :stoned: since plants are actually a cone shape, much smaller at the top that at the bottom, couldn't one do some sort of average diameter, where the mid section is about 1 foot, the top is much smaller and the bottom is much larger wouldn't they average out to 1 ft. diameter. ??? :detective1:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyman
and yeah, like gypski said the 25 sf is a "floor" not a ceiling, just like the 12 plant State guidelines on medical gardens. that is, counties can go over that limit but cannot go below it.
but personally, I wouldn't sweat over the size, ANY free legal garden space is a total game changer for the grower. The garden itself will no longer need to be stealth, even if the actual size of it still may need to be. :rastasmoke: but personally, I could grow all could ever need in 25 sf.
could you also grow enuff to pay the rent in Cali? prolly not. you would have to cheat to be able to do that. :D
Keep your medical cannabis doctor's recommendations current and you'll be just fine with plenty of room to grow (California of course).
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 420Dank
Amen, bro. Any smoker against prop 19 has the most selfish reasons. Boo hoo that your long term career prospects as a weed grower aren't going to work out. ZeroWingX, so you want other people to go to jail just so you can charge exorbitant prices to your "patients"? I hope you get busted and go to jail.
I agree with your point, but do we have to wish people get busted?Quote:
Originally Posted by icybonghitman
I want people to be able to grow their own, and grow for others who don't have the resources to grow their own. I want safe, taxed, controlled cannabis, not some chemical-laden GMO monstrosity from Monsanto.
Prop 19 is the first battle of a very long war. If you're afraid (as I am,) that Oaksterdam or some other rich players will squeeze out the smaller growers, get active in your community. Reason with people.
Whats better, lots of small growers making the best product they can for a tidy, if not huge profit, or a few big growers using their money to ice out the competition with outrageous start-up costs that mom-n-pop can never manage?
If history is any teacher, we'll end up with the latter, unless we get involved! Budweiser may be the king of beers, but the microbrewers do well by offering something special. Let's make sure there's a place for the small-scale local growers. Keep the licensing fees down. Keep commercial growing spaces reasonably small. Encourage competition.
This is a time where somebody with a good idea and not a lot of money can do well, if we have a level playing field. it's up to us to make sure that happens.