Pelosi Wants Feds To Investigate Mosque Opponents

Ok, I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I don't agree with building the mosque so close to ground zero. I think it's a bad idea and in poor taste. If a religion wants to make peace with those that do not like them, they don't crap on their front porch. That being said, I also believe they have the right to build their mosque wherever they want. They are the ones that will have to worry about security. If they have the right to build wherever they want then others have the right to protest or organize or do pretty much whatever they want to disrupt the normal routine at said mosque as long as they stay within the law. Has anyone thought about the fact that a mosque within two blocks of ground zero is a HUGE red bullseye for anyone that doesn't agree with it and has some fertilizer and a U-Haul?;)

P.S. I know there are alot of people that are loyal to either the left wingers or right wingers, but it comes down to the fact that they are all politicians that are disconnected with the American people and real life. One must either be morally if not legally corrupt in order to be a politician. They live in this fantasy world of champagne and caviar and cannot connect with those of us that live in the real world of "well, at least we are fortunate enough to have something to eat". The whole system is up for sale to the highest bidder. I believe ALL (read left and right wing both) would be executed for treason were we "back in the day".

Interesting side-note: It's amazing how people were so much more polite in a society where everyone owned firearms.:smokin:

Its so staged its funny, a muslim temple being built by ground zero and haveing its grand opening on 9/11 ROFL. Its so obvious that the Globalists what to take the heat off the people waken up in this country and focus late night tv and debate/anger tward the muslims and freespeech vs moral right to build there lol. Keep on living in this dream world. We have a president who gave 30 miles of our country back to mexico because some drug cartels now occupy it, million dollar bounties being put on our sheriffs heads. Mexican military caught over and over providing security for drug cartel shipments with jeeps and machine guns. Theyre useing the border crisses to now demonize people who are for border control as white supremists yadda yadda, just to push through legalizeing 30million Invaders. Wouldnt you think that If the muslims were our real enemy and they are so dangerous to just learn how to fly planes and take them over with box cutters that they would send 100,000's of them here to make bombs and buy guns legally and just start blowing shit up left and right?

In my opinion there are bad elements over there like everywhere in the world but nothing happens here unless its LET happen or MADE to happen. Any of them could just come here as an imigrant and just make bombs in their basement, theoreticly by our "threat level" the last 10 years we should have schools, city halls, police departments, amry bases, everything being suicide bombed.......Is it happening no. Its a joke, It would be so easy for them to do it here all the time If it was real.

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Originally Posted by bigsby

Made easy for them? I'm not sure what you are talking about. They aren't asking for anything to be made easy. They are asking for the same rights that everyone else has. The Greek Orthodox church is in a shit fight with the Port Authority over compensation and where they will rebuild. I can understand that they are pissed off about the situation but that has nothing to do with the Islamic center. And no one is suggesting that they should not be allowed to rebuild, right?

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They will no doubt be required to build somewhere else, which is not their first choice, but that's the situation and I'm sure that it will work out.

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Originally Posted by bigsby

So this is about preservation of a historic building? Come on. Or are you saying that nothing should be built on land / buildings that were damaged in the collapse? There are plenty of other buildings that were damaged and which have now been either repaired or are being rebuilt. Or is it just that Muslims should not be allowed to build / rebuild in that area? Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.

You do not have a free society if you pick and choose how rights are applied. Rights must be universal.

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This is a historic building. The mayor hand picks the landmarks commission and that building had been up for landmark status for some 12 years before 9/11/01, I have a very hard time believing that they came up with a unanimous vote of denial just out of the blue. Well, maybe that is a signal that it's time for the opponents of the mosque to take the gloves off as well - politically speaking, of course.

Its a midterm year.......the nations more divided than ever before....OF COURSE this is a hot button issue. They had planned this years ago....knew the controversy it would bring.....and chose to proceed under their own free-will. Of course they have a right to build a mosque there.....I actually have no problem with it at all. Dont care a piece of the landing gear landed inside it. Build whatever. I found the call to prayer to be quite beautiful while I was overseas and grew accustomed to hearing it. It mixed just fine with the church bells that played periodically throughout the day from all the cathedrals in Holland and elsewhere. People gotta relax.......

I am fascinated to see how this plays out though....my gut says they'll move it when the controversy doesnt go away....but who knows. And with all the attention this place is gonna have, every penny of its funds and members wil be scrutinized to the max.

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Originally Posted by budlover13

Ok, I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I don't agree with building the mosque so close to ground zero. I think it's a bad idea and in poor taste. If a religion wants to make peace with those that do not like them, they don't crap on their front porch. That being said, I also believe they have the right to build their mosque wherever they want. They are the ones that will have to worry about security. If they have the right to build wherever they want then others have the right to protest or organize or do pretty much whatever they want to disrupt the normal routine at said mosque as long as they stay within the law. Has anyone thought about the fact that a mosque within two blocks of ground zero is a HUGE red bullseye for anyone that doesn't agree with it and has some fertilizer and a U-Haul?;)

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Wouldn't that just be the ultimate hypocrisy? "I hate those terrorists so much I'll just become one of them and blow up a truckbomb!":(

@sawleaf: I totally agree, but can't you just see it happen? "If they are going to attack us, we'll attack them back." Some people look at it as war, not terrorism. And if you're at war, there really aren't any rules.

Fox News, if you want to call it that, should have its FCC license suspended for inciting all this hate crap and rhetoric. And besides that, those who watch it should make an appointment for reeducation with a qualified psychologist!! :D

I'll take a higher position, but only because I am concerned at what is taking place in America as well. I am not Islamic, but I can assure you that the Quran was sourced by the same Omnipotent Entity that created the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that cant also be found in the Quran and if you believe otherwise then it simply means you have not read the Quran. Any position worth taking has extremist views and that includes religion. David Koresh and Jim Jones are two examples of our own countries attempts at religious terrorism. It is the Christians that started the Crusades and the Christians that started the Inquisitions. We aren't at war with the Saudi's or the Jews. We aren't waring with Kuwait or other Islamic countries, only the radical ones that have been in power a long time (not the government but the people's view), (Hamas is a good example of a recently created bad islamic govt).

For the record:

1. There is already a mosque currently located closer to the towers then the one being proposed.

2. There was a mosque present and it was damaged during the attacks by the same people who they are now claiming to be

3. If you think nobody has looked at this imam and his history you are wrong. The CIA, DEA, FBI, NYPD all of them have looked into the background of the imam in particular, his organization and the mosque. None of it is connected to anything other then world peace and true Islam as I and others have come to understand it.

4. The imam has not once made a single threatening remark or has any history of terrorism or violence of any nature. He has chastised Al-Queda and terrorism and wants interfaith peace just like most NYer's.

5. Political types already know who this person is. As I understand it he has been sent on peace missions for the US government and people like Madeleine Albright (Clinton Administration) consider him a friend. This is not Bin Ladin people. He's a holy man looking to bring peace and harmony to NY but the ignorant masses aren't gonna have it. Racism and bigotry are alive and well in the US of A. Has there ever been a time in this country when we weren't at war with someone else or ourselves? Is it really necessary to ping pong from killing people overseas to now killing ourselves? It's a church people, a house of God. Even terrorists respect the house of God. I vividly recall US soldiers wanting to go into Mosques in Iraq and hunt insurgents that had taken refuge in a Mosque. We (non religious America) are the problem, not Muslims.

Now...let's all come together forget that we even give a shit about such thangs and go some sum pot.