R.I.P. "Blame Bush" 2002-2010

I'm sort of curious how I said ANYTHING in disagreement to this vein of "distrust all government " logic in any of my posts. I have never, and will never tell anyone democrats are smart, honest, trustworthy, thrifty, or any of the other Boyscoutesque qualities. But they are the best option we have.

In regards to the "discovery" that all politicians are crooked, I just have to say "no fucking duh."

I realized that fact of life at age 7 or so, and have moved past some idealogical political abstenence to rooting for the party that I think is least likely to fuck up. The Republicans blew their chance imo, and I say we should try 8 years of unrestricted democrat control, to see if they can do any better. Things wern't too shabby under Clinton, were they? Remember what a surplus felt like?

And Ocotillo, I might be a mouse in a maze, but I'm one of those mice that wants to keep the maze pollution free, and give starving mice cheese and medicine, not one of the ones that wants to drill in the maze for oil, and give tax breaks to fat, rich mice.

And not sure if that lemming remark was directed anywhere near me, but i'd watch who I call a lemming whilst riding Bigtopsfinn's dick like that, lol. (just kidding dude, ;))

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Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen

I'm sort of curious how I said ANYTHING in disagreement to this vein of "distrust all government " logic in any of my posts. I have never, and will never tell anyone democrats are smart, honest, trustworthy, thrifty, or any of the other Boyscoutesque qualities. But they are the best option we have.

In regards to the "discovery" that all politicians are crooked, I just have to say "no fucking duh."

I realized that fact of life at age 7 or so, and have moved past some idealogical political abstenence to rooting for the party that I think is least likely to fuck up. The Republicans blew their chance imo, and I say we should try 8 years of unrestricted democrat control, to see if they can do any better. Things wern't too shabby under Clinton, were they? Remember what a surplus felt like?

And Ocotillo, I might be a mouse in a maze, but I'm one of those mice that wants to keep the maze pollution free, and give starving mice cheese and medicine, not one of the ones that wants to drill in the maze for oil, and give tax breaks to fat, rich mice.

And not sure if that lemming remark was directed anywhere near me, but i'd watch who I call a lemming whilst riding Bigtopsfinn's dick like that, lol. (just kidding dude, ;))

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Not really sure if this is even directed at me or who, cuz I haven't said anything about distrusting all government or discoveries, nor have I directed my comments at anyone in this thread in particular. More of a comment on how the two sides are always fighting against eachother.

IMO the two party system doesn't work. Like you said in your post, let the repubs have it for a while, then the dems, then the repubs, on and on and on. One side makes policies for the other side to bitch about, expounded by the media in a way that takes the focus away from the real issues.

My solution would be to vote out all the incumbents and get some other parties involved. Vote in regular ol' folks (like yourself, Legalize) who actually care about the country and its people, and not their political connections.

And for the record, I'm not against Dems or Repubs, both ideologies have their good and bad points.

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

Yeah, no doubt Obama's been far less than satisfactory (and in fact just another lying rhetorician), but no one can deny the damage Bush and his cronies did. It's always the fashion to excuse whatever party you support--let's just admit they're ALL worthless.

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Agreed. The parties in power have completely lost touch with the American people/ reality. All of the people still blaming Bush have got to realize there is one group that may have set the stage for the economic downturn, but there's another that is preventing it's speedy recovery.

I don't care who started it, I just care that it's not getting any better, and it's been two years and trillions of dollars.

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Originally Posted by stormin94

there is one group that may have set the stage for the economic downturn, but there's another that is preventing it's speedy recovery.

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Those two are the same entity. Not two different groups. Republicans haven't done a fucking thing to help improve the country. They only know one word, NO. :wtf: Fuck 'em all in my book. :D

I'll agree with a "fuck em all" mentality all day, but as sad as it is, we need politicians. Average joe shmo just doesn't have the experience, smarts, or general political knowledge to run for office, which is why we vote for, and then pay for people to run our country for us.

As much good as it would do to have a 37 party system made up of average nobodys like myself, it just isn't going to happen. Our country has entrenched itself in a 2 party system.

This is where it goes back to voting for the lesser of 2 evils. The most we can hope for is that when we hold our representitives accountable, they decide it is in their best interest to not fuck us.

I vote democrat (usually) because even when they fuck up, at least they are trying to help people. The last republican administration took away a bunch of civil liberties, wiretapped it's own citizens, and gave tax breaks to their rich friends. Now bush/hitler icon aside, I just can't bring myself to vote for a party that defines itself by morality and religion, and then acts the way they do.

When a 3rd, 4th or 5th party candidate becomes a viable option, I'll vote for them, but unless we have an American Revolution pt II, we're gonna have to keep picking dem or repub, and make the best decision we can between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

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Hahaha.

-C

Yowzers......you guys are feisty these days huh? The "fuck em all attitude" is a wonderful approach to take.

There needs to be a serious Third and Fourth parties....that embolden much more centrist values and beliefs. Im pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and adoption 100%, pro legalization of marijuana AND prostitution across the boards. However, I believe a BIG government smothers human ingenuity and in the end smothers everything else along with it. Look at what our governements under EITHER party have done when its citizens were in trouble.....not to much.

Uhhhhh, your aware Obama extended the patriot act and basically adopted the exact same strategy as W in the war on terror. If not ESCALATED it...to include American citizens for assasination?? They are still using all those exact same wiretaps that they were under Bush 43. Both the parties are 90 % elitest thieves and crooks who depend on us "liberals" and "conservatives" to fight and fight while they rob us and our children of their futures.

Island, for once, we are in agreement. I agree it is horrible that Obama continued W's Patriot Act. Obama is not some savior, he is a politician, and he saw gain in continuing it, and imho, acted the douche. I also disagree with him on his position regarding drilling for domestic oil, a mentality he seems to share with republicans, and which I find upsetting.

Obama has messed up a bunch, and yes, we are way in debt, but I still think he is doing a decent job under the circumstances. I'm just in favor of giving the guy to the end of his first term before I give the "yay or nay", cause he had a mess o' trouble waiting for him the second he stepped into the oval office and he's had to spend his whole term thus far shoveling shit, some of which he contributed sure, but I'd still like to see what he can do with a little support from We The People.

That's more like it.

-C