Topped at 2nd leaf stage: Got V branches as normal, but top grew back as well! 3 tops

I added 3 bottles producing CO2 for the plants in the closet which seems to be a good idea. What I did was putting a couple hundred grams of sugar in each bottle, alittle urine (yup piss alittle filling bottom of the bottle) and then added some yeast and finally warm water up to around 70% of the bottle's total volume. A small hole was drilled into the cap using a knife (about needle sized hole, so you can use a needle). Then cap was screwed back on top, the bottles shaken violently for a while (hold yer thumb on the hole!) before putting them into the closet around with the plants. This produces CO2 gas which will be going on for couple weeks during the fermentation process. Extra Co2 seems to be beneficial for the plants, and I also spray them gently with carbonated water ("club soda" or "seltzer water" is what its called in english I think) with low sodium level in it.

Doing the above will make the solution fizzle and bubble and foam thus only filling about 70% of the bottle so it doesnt bubble over, and it also builds pressure so don't shake the bottle before making the hole in the cap or it might explode in yer face. The point of the small hole is to gently release the pressure and thus let Co2-gas flow out to the plants within the closet they are all placed.

Each bottle used is a 2.5-litre Coca Cola plastic bottle.

Do you expect anything from these?

-C

Yes hopefully, wouldn't do all this trouble for nothing. But as said its the first time I grow inside etc, so its a new experience and learning on the way. Got basically unlimited supply of seeds in either case and got several sprouts ready to replace with if needed but I'm still positive and optimistic and expecting these planties to recover and grow fine, I just turned the best looking one over a bit and noticed it has new colas growing out beneath the two main colas so I turned it around and spread the other two tops and LST'ed it down in a better position to let more light reach the new growths as well.

The tiny one that has not been altered or manipulated in any way was also LST'ed today and bent down to allow more light reaching lower level growth at the main stem where some new things were poppin out.

We will see how it turns out.

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Yes hopefully, wouldn't do all this trouble for nothing. But as said its the first time I grow inside etc, so its a new experience and learning on the way. Got basically unlimited supply of seeds in either case and got several sprouts ready to replace with if needed but I'm still positive and optimistic and expecting these planties to recover and grow fine, I just turned the best looking one over a bit and noticed it has new colas growing out beneath the two main colas so I turned it around and spread the other two tops and LST'ed it down in a better position to let more light reach the new growths as well.

The tiny one that has not been altered or manipulated in any way was also LST'ed today and bent down to allow more light reaching lower level growth at the main stem where some new things were poppin out.

We will see how it turns out.

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-C

Careful with the LST this early. I tied mine down when I had a few more nodes growing, and still ended up with my stalk in the dirt. This turned out alright, as I ended up with a ton more roots to help suck up water and nutes, but it made it a bit hard during transplants.

I would suggest tieing it back the other way half way up or so. IE, leave the hold donw you have on, but then attach another string (or whatever you're tieing down with :D) pulling in the opposite direction. That way you will end up with the stalk starting out in a vertical position for a few inches before going horizontal.

Merely suggestions, looks good!

Thanks for the tip. I'm trying with one to see how it turns out, I also turned it a bit sideways than it originally was tied down as it was starting to get pushed too much into the side of the container making it hard for light to reach properly, and I noticed a couple nodes that had been hiding under there which are now exposed better to light.

Well an update. SWIM is happy to announce that his plants are starting to get better and seem to recover from whatever was the reason they were getting sick. What he did do is the following, which seemed to remedy their illness:

He added as earlier mentioned several bottles producing Co2. These are 5 in total, from 2 to 2.5 liters each. These are simply placed beneath the tin foil covering the whole plant area so that the Co2 will spread freely around to the plants. The Co2 production is simple: Add a tablespoon or two of yeast with a good 50 to 100 gr sugar. Put this in the bottles with a funnel, add hot water to the mix and shake well. Make sure to have the caps, with tiny holes in them (one hole needle sized per cap). This will maintain some pressure in the bottle yet release Co2 evenly for about 2 weeks before the ingredients in the bottle will need to be changed as it will turn to alcohol (as a note, SWIM added some fruits to his bottles so he is getting some extra "harvest" from the Co2 production as well in form of simple basic wine / cider).

Second thing he did was mix some RAW SUGAR (contains molasses good for plants), couple spoons, into a bottle along with some urine (about 1/6th of bottle volume) and the rest filled with warm water, shake well and let cool a bit before watering the plants with this. Good nitogen boos from the urine as well as carbohydrates and nutritions from the molasses (raw sugar).

Just days after this the plants shown significant health improvement and look much better. As seen, the Three Headed one is much better thought still some yellowish, at least its still growing and getting more green, and the one that was LST'ed and topped has started growing several new kolas which will be stems making one plant basically into several plants with several stems instead of just one - some topping was also done on this one.

Third plant has only been LST'ed and not topped or anything else, except for trimming some fan leaves to expose nodes to light. This one's too looking greater.

In addition, there are a couple new seedlings, among other one experiment with a simple hydroponic system using a wick, where pure perlite is in the pot, a hole in the bottom with a wick going into a tray of nutrition-water below which absorbs up into the perlite. So far so good, growing fine.

The last and final thing done was to raise the pots and containers the plants are in above ground level (above the oven pan they are placed in) for better drainage so it drips down into the pan.

Photos attached, compare with old for seeing the difference and new growth.

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A 12 litre container have been added, which you see connected to a hose. This is a "two flies in one hit" wonder. It contains yeast, water, sugar and fruits (apples & oranges) which creates carbondioxide (CO2) for the plants and give them a really nice boost, they grow quicker, stronger, gets more healthy - and the second "fly" here is that the mix in the container producing this CO2 turns into wine. So, I'm brewing a fruit wine as the fermentation turns it into alcohol, which is also what produces the CO2, and in approximately 2 weeks the CO2 is depleted and the wine ready and time to change the contents of the 12 litre container for new WINE/CO2 production.

As seen on photos plants are doing much better, the second thing I give them is a perfect natural organic fertilizer: Compost tea mixed with some urine. This is a simple procedure to create, just take a bucket, fill it with water, take composted soil and fill into a large sock, and let it soak in the bucket for a day so the water gets all brown. Fill this into bottles, and squirt alittle urine into them when you have to pee (nitrogene source).

The combination have done miracles for my plants as seen throughout this thread, and now they are really growing well, very nice and green, and developing many new colas or tops as I LST'ed them and supercropped some. I continously cut large leaves off as they only are in the way for the light, and by removing large leaves I expose the new nodes and coming colas for light so they grow, and seen on the photos this makes one plant create several tops which basically is as one plant looking and being like several plants. You see that on the from above photos where it seems like several plants closely together but this is simply a result of bending down the stem towards the grown, removing large leaves, and exposing the nodes to light so they grow upwards into new colas / tops (Which is called LST, I use binders to keep the plants bent down to the ground and continue doing this with new growth for some horizontal growth and more top colas per plant).

Photos of current setup included.