Medical 'donations'

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Originally Posted by seattlegreens

-Big Pharm helps people with diabetes/high bloodpressure/chronic pain, etc for pennies compared to weed costs.
-Big Pharm produces shots for children ridding our society of diseases that have wiped out whole populations in the past. These shots are nearly free.
-Big Pharm / Government gave my elderly dying relative oxycodone(spelling?) for nearly free compared to weed.
-Big government / Big corporations allow me to drink beer for less than a buck each.
-Big government charges a shzt load of taxes on smokes and they are still less than $1 a gram.

If freedom is street criminals regulating 'by quality and street prices' then I do not want freedom. I don't want the freedom to be a criminal.

If you want to say it's communist to allow all drugs to be legal and regulated by the government, then I saw take away my freedom!

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Wow you are so fucking naive.


"big pharma" charges MORE THAN STREET PRICES for MARINOL, a drug which contains ONE of THOUSANDS of cannabinoids contained in cannabis.


If you think you can get your THC cheaper from a drug company, then I suggest you pay the 600-1500 dollar per bottle of Marinol, which will add up to less cannabinoids than is contained in a single ounce of medical marijuana, it will also only have ONE cannabinoid instead of the THOUSANDS the cannabis has.


If you WANT to PAY BIG PHARMA, GO AHEAD.


Otherwise, STFU, you don't know wtf you are talking about.


If you think you can provide people medicine for cheaper than is the current status quo, and still "get rich"...then FUCKING DO IT....stop bitching that other people aren't following your bullshit made up logic for running a dispensary.


Oh, and the government grows cannabis too, guess what? ITS TOTAL FUCKING GARBAGE...they grow it at the university of Mississippi, and its PURE CRAP.

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Originally Posted by seattlegreens

-Big Pharm helps people with diabetes/high bloodpressure/chronic pain, etc for pennies compared to weed costs.
-Big Pharm produces shots for children ridding our society of diseases that have wiped out whole populations in the past. These shots are nearly free.
-Big Pharm / Government gave my elderly dying relative oxycodone(spelling?) for nearly free compared to weed.
-Big government / Big corporations allow me to drink beer for less than a buck each.
-Big government charges a shzt load of taxes on smokes and they are still less than $1 a gram.

If freedom is street criminals regulating 'by quality and street prices' then I do not want freedom. I don't want the freedom to be a criminal.

If you want to say it's communist to allow all drugs to be legal and regulated by the government, then I saw take away my freedom!

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That is hilarious, and pathetic, on so many levels.

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Originally Posted by justpics

Wow you are so fucking naive.


"big pharma" charges MORE THAN STREET PRICES for MARINOL, a drug which contains ONE of THOUSANDS of cannabinoids contained in cannabis.


If you think you can get your THC cheaper from a drug company, then I suggest you pay the 600-1500 dollar per bottle of Marinol, which will add up to less cannabinoids than is contained in a single ounce of medical marijuana, it will also only have ONE cannabinoid instead of the THOUSANDS the cannabis has.


If you WANT to PAY BIG PHARMA, GO AHEAD.


Otherwise, STFU, you don't know wtf you are talking about.


If you think you can provide people medicine for cheaper than is the current status quo, and still "get rich"...then FUCKING DO IT....stop bitching that other people aren't following your bullshit made up logic for running a dispensary.


Oh, and the government grows cannabis too, guess what? ITS TOTAL FUCKING GARBAGE...they grow it at the university of Mississippi, and its PURE CRAP.

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I tried Marinol back in 1970 I believe it was. It was a red cap and came from a reliable source. But, I really didn't care for the buzz. More of a brain numbing and weird body thing. I've always and will prefer the bud over any mad made concoction. But that doesn't mean they aren't needed. Nealy all the best medicines are synthetic clones of real plants. :cool:

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Originally Posted by gypski

I tried Marinol back in 1970 I believe it was. It was a red cap and came from a reliable source. But, I really didn't care for the buzz. More of a brain numbing and weird body thing. I've always and will prefer the bud over any mad made concoction. But that doesn't mean they aren't needed. Nealy all the best medicines are synthetic clones of real plants. :cool:

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The problem with marinol, is that you get 1 cannabinoid, all by itself, VERY LITTLE of it, and its EXTREMELY expensive. The starting dose is 2.5 milligrams per pill. The 10 mg per pill dosage costs upwards of $1,000 per bottle, and you need 10 pills to equal the THC in half a gram of bud (that's right it takes 40 of the 2.5mg pills to equal a half gram). Its the most expensive way on the planet to get THC.

Do people really want big pharma or tobacco companies involved in manufacturing MMJ?
Is it not pretty obvious what would happen to the quality of the product?
Price, MIGHT go down but what kind of poison would you be buying. Do you think they care what kind of fertilizers and pesticides they would be using.
As long as a private person retains the right to grow there own I don't care, but do you really think that would happen. We still have alcohol prohibition in this country. While you are allowed to brew small amounts of beer and wine, it is still illegal to distill hard liquor. And thats what would happen if we allow government control.

I have noticed something very striking...

I can't afford prime rib. So, I eat chicken. But, it doesn't piss me off that the store has prime rib or that someone will buy it and eat it.

I can't afford a new Jaguar. So, I have a 12-year-old Cadillac. But, when I drive past a Jaguar dealership, it doesn't piss me off that the lot is full of fine cars or that I can't afford them.

I can't afford to go to Hawaii. But, when I see a travel ad or go past the airport, I'm not enraged that going to Hawaii is expensive and that I have to go to work, instead.

That's life - and I'm not Donald Trump.

But, somehow I'm not pissed off about that, either.

So, why are people so pissed off that really good medicine isn't cheap?

The truth is, people are lucky to get anything even worth having at street prices - especially if they just got their card and they don't know anyone.

They certainly don't have their choice of a dozen strains, edibles, sprays, tinctures, etc on the street! They pay whatever the dealer says and they get whatever the dealer gives them. That's how it works out there on the street corner.

So, where are all my old, sick and broken patients supposed to go for meds?

I don't mean how it should be or how it will be. I'm talking about right here and now.

Where do they go?

And how can ANYONE grow cheap meds with a presumptive limit of 15 plants?

The key to low cost goods is economy of scale. That's fancy talk for "manufacturing a bunch of widgets makes it's cheaper to manufacture each individual widget". 15 plants give us no way to get any kind of economy of scale, whatsoever.

I won't even get started on the expense and expertise require to produce AAA meds. Suffice it to say that most weed is crap - plain and simple. It's hard to kill cannabis - and even a really crappy grower is bound to get something from a harvest. But, it's gonna be crap unless you know precisely what you are doing. Not many people know what they are doing. So, most weed sucks.

Simple enough.

Any medicine worth having is gonna cost you. Whether it costs you hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to grow or whether it costs you $40 or $50 for an eighth, it's gonna cost you.

So, does that mean it shouldn't be available, at all, just because it costs?

Does anyone here think good meds are expensive, when compared to the cost of cancer treatments? Or AIDS meds? I know people with over $5000/mo in prescription costs - and they're sick as hell, still!!

Is even $400/oz for grade A weed really that expensive, when compared to overall medical costs and the costs of prescription meds?

Of course not. It's an absurd notion.

Those who fear government or corporate control are probably not completely unjustified, either. Our government could screw up a wet dream... I doubt anyone here will argue that point, at least. Our government doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their competence, now do they?

So we all agree that alcohol should still be prohibited then?

Damn big governments destroying the quality of alcohol and making it so much more expensive than it ever was.

If it wasn't for them regulating beer, we'd be in an awesome crime-ridden society and have the pleasure of spending a days paycheck on the 2 or 3 choices the bootleggers give us to drink.

You guys should seriously try to put on the ballot prohibition of all alcohol and drugs, because after all it makes them better quality, for a lower price. And, it's not those big scary companies making money, it's friendly criminals with guns!

Are you guys saying that growing weed takes more skill than making cancer and AIDS meds?
And that if it was illegal to have the government / big pharm give us medication, that would make the overall health of the country better?
Penicillin, antibiotics, preventative disease shots we give out children, and all the rest would be better quality made in a lab in some dudes basement?

Are you guys seriously that paranoid over the government you'd rather watch the plague, small pox epidemics, etc happen over and over again?
Or, do you seriously believe that before modern medicine/governement/pharmaceuticals the world was a better place?

This is just so far out there and ridiculous it's maddening.
If this is the case, why does basically every doctor in the world support medicine like this?

tinfoil hats and big brother next

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Originally Posted by justpics

The problem with marinol, is that you get 1 cannabinoid, all by itself, VERY LITTLE of it, and its EXTREMELY expensive. The starting dose is 2.5 milligrams per pill. The 10 mg per pill dosage costs upwards of $1,000 per bottle, and you need 10 pills to equal the THC in half a gram of bud (that's right it takes 40 of the 2.5mg pills to equal a half gram). Its the most expensive way on the planet to get THC.

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I totally agree Marinol is Crap. Give me the bud any day. Its my business what I put in my lungs and body. And being a smoker of two drugs, one seems to counter act the other in scientific studies. And, cannabis has never caused the harm to me that the system has with its prohibitions and disenfranchisement due to using it. :D

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Originally Posted by seattlegreens

Are you guys saying that growing weed takes more skill than making cancer and AIDS meds?
And that if it was illegal to have the government / big pharm give us medication, that would make the overall health of the country better?
Penicillin, antibiotics, preventative disease shots we give out children, and all the rest would be better quality made in a lab in some dudes basement?

Are you guys seriously that paranoid over the government you'd rather watch the plague, small pox epidemics, etc happen over and over again?
Or, do you seriously believe that before modern medicine/governement/pharmaceuticals the world was a better place?

This is just so far out there and ridiculous it's maddening.
If this is the case, why does basically every doctor in the world support medicine like this?

tinfoil hats and big brother next

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You seriously need to invest a few hours into vaccine research my friend. Its not all what you think it is.

Google DR Horowitz and some of his research on vaccines and then tell me if you trust our government and their swine flu shots.
I think I see the problem here...
Seattlegreen, you are a lover of government and government policies. Its ironic that you argue your facts when the government is the whole reason cannabis is a class A drug in the first place.
Dont look at the government for help when they are the creator of this problem originally.
Remember the old saying, "Divide and Conquer" well its a well used tecnique that has been used for centuries.
Please dont play that here....

As you can see from the majority of the comments, and how they are reacting to your stance. It is clear that you are just instigating conflict at this rate.