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You fail to realize that it is not about arresting and prosecuting millions. Thousands is easier...and that will keep people away. Hell, all 4 governor candidates here in California claim to have never smoked Marijuana...out of the fear tactics and propaganda machine that started with Anslinger's Pot Stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShastaCoMan
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in the state of california, there are quite a few firearms that are deemed as and listed as "assault weapons" and are illegal here, even though they are FULLY legal on the federal level.[/QUOTE]
Bad example. California Gun laws do not prohibit selling assault weapons. I can get one here in 30 minutes. It is the sale of NEW Assault rifles. Even though the majority of assault rifles bought and sold in the US market were made by Norinco, Soviet, or Czech. Fuck an AK-47 stock is removed and a synthetic one is put in place...now they call it a MAK-90 which is completely legal...although, fully automatic out of the crate.
For fucks sake look at what New Jersey is doing...Then government is growing, distributing, and taxing their product. The patient and caregiver can't grow.
Check this link to the article!
When has Government regulation and oversight ever fixed, or solved, anything?
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Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
actually bro, your WRONG. to buy and/or sell any listed assault weapon in california is a felony. its also a felony to attempt to buy, and a felony to attempt to sell a listed assault weapon. i was a firearms dealer for 20 years and had a storefront shop, and believe it or not, im "the guy" that the california DOJ firearms division (not to mention butte county sheriffs deputies,oroville PD,gridley PD,chico PD and others) and their field agents called to clarify the laws. why?...because i spent literally YEARS studying the laws, just to keep my OWN ass out of the fire (plus i sold alot of guns to law enforcement) there are only very VERY limted circumstances an assault type weapon can be sold in california.
lets take the AR-15 as an example. as im sure you are aware, californias had an assault weapons law in place for quite some time making buttloads of "assault "style weapons illegal, including the AR-15,AK and several of their variants.a few years ago, the california supreme court ruled that under certain circumstances assault style weapons NOT listed specifically by make and model/manufactuer are indeed legal in california (under specific circumstances, and if they are not listed specifically on the ban list), but NOT any of the receivers/weapons listed on the california assault weapons list,and only under the following circumstances:
featured build/fixed magazine
under a featured build, you can have all of the "EVIL" features you like on a semi-automatic weapon,BUT it must have a non-removable magazine that can hold no more than 10 rounds. the magazine must be fixed and only removable by either disassembling the gun OR with the use of a tool. a bullet is considered a tool nder the law
featureless build
a featureless build would be any NON LISTED weapon/receiver build with NO evil features and a REMOVABLE magazine. this means you can build any "assault" style semi-automatic , as long as it has NO evil features , and as long as the specific receiver its built on isnt listed by name and make/manufacture on the assault weapos list.
MAK90 is a complete and udder NO-NO as it is listed by make and manufacture on the list and is COMPLETELY illegal under california law.any gun marked MAK90 is illegal. there are non-listed AK variants , such as the saiga that are legal, and also some pump style variants.
and YES, in california, the law DOES PROHIBIT selling any assault style weapon named on the california ban list. to sell an assault style/type weapon on the list within california is A CLASS A FELONY. while you can legally use and own high cap mags that would come with most assault weapons ( if you legally owned them BEFORE the high cap magazine ban went into effect) , but its illegal to give away,sell or distribute a high cap magazine in california.its even illegal (felony) to sell or attempt to sell a listed assault weapon, even if it REGISTERED with california DOJ. you can only dispose of it to either law enforcement or out of state. its even illegal to buy an assault style weapon out of state if you live within california.
you might check out Calguns.net, theres tons of info on the laws within california on guns and assault weapons. also, they have the actual list of illegal assault style weapons listed there.
my point was (and maybe i should have clarified myself if you want to split hairs) california has banned several assault style/type weapons. these same exact guns can be purchased not 75 miles from me by their states residents ( nevada and oregon) and owned legally, but yet here in california we cant buy,sell,transfer or give away ANY listed assault style weapons. why is it OK for them to be able to own them, but not us? that should be considered discrimination.
before buying an assault type weapon bro, best make sure you kknow the laws real good as if you dont, youd be looking at prison time.
honestly?....i dont believe they "never smoked pot"....HAHA!...statistics show that the majority of the population has at least TRIED marijuana at one time or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
also, recent polls in california show that the MAJORITY of adults HAVE smoked pot, and over 50% of adult who have smoked marijuana smoked within the last month ( i got that from CNN, i dont know how reliiable that is, ut at least CNN is on our side, they have been talking about it in the PRO context now since the bill came up)...were commin out!....guns blazin!
i think whats going to happen is californias going to pass the bill ( id literally bet money on it) and someone will try to repeal it, but that isnt ging to work. afterwards, i thi nk the government will turn a blind eye to it like they do alot of state level shit, and i also think that these anti-marijuana politicians will modify the penalties to much more severe levels and appy them to people who break the law in regards to the new law (I.E., do something stupid like give someone 10 years in prison for having 26ft square foot of canopy instead of 25 like thats listed in the bill)
HONESTLY, i dont think the law will affect us guys who are medical when it is legalized ,or even if it isnt.
the is the specific california assault weapons list of banned weapons. if you look under norinco, youll see the MAK90 is specifically listed:
California Department of Justice
AK Series Weapons
American Arms
AK-Y 39
AK-F 39
AK-C 47
AK-F 47
Arsenal
SLR (all)
SLG (all)
B-West
AK-47 (all)
Hesse Arms
Model 47 (all)
Wieger STG 940 Rifle
Inter Ordnance - Monroe, NC
RPK
M-97
AK-47 (all)
Kalashnikov USA
Hunter Rifle / Saiga
MAADI CO
* AK 47
* ARM
MISR (all)
MISTR (all)
Made in China
* 84S
* AKM
* 86S
* AKS
* 56
* AK
* 56S
* AK47
MARS
Pistol
Mitchell Arms, Inc.
M-90
AK-47 (all)
AK-47 Cal .308 (all)
M-76
RPK
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* Specifically named in the Robert-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989
and required to be registered by March 31, 1992
Norinco
* 86 S
86 (all)
* 84 S
81 S (all)
* 56
RPK Rifle
NHM 90, 90-2, 91 Sport
AK-47 (all)
MAK 90 <------------------------------------MAK90 SPECIFICALLY LISTED
* 56 S
Hunter Rifle
Ohio Ordnance Works (o.o.w.)
ROMAK 991
AK-74
Poly technologies
* AKS
* AK47
Valmet
Hunter Rifle
76 S
WUM
WUM (all)
AR-15 Series Weapons
American Spirit
USA Model
Armalite
AR 10 (all)
M15 (all)
Golden Eagle
Bushmaster
XM15 (all)
Colt
Law Enforcement (6920)
Match Target (all)
* AR-15 (all)
Sporter (all)
Dalphon
B.F.D.
DPMS
Panther (all)
Eagle Arms
M15 (all)
EA-15 A2 H-BAR
EA-15 E1
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* Specifically named in the Robert-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989
and required to be registered by March 31, 1992
Frankford Arsenal
AR-15 (all)
Hesse Arms
HAR 15A2 (all)
Knights
SR-15 (all)
SR-25 (all)
RAS (all)
Les Baer
Ultimate AR (all)
Olympic Arms
AR-15
Car-97
PCR (all)
Ordnance, Inc.
AR-15
Palmetto
SGA (all)
Professional Ordnance, Inc.
Carbon 15 Rifle
Carbon 15 Pistol
PWA
All Models
Rock River Arms, Inc.
Standard A-2
Car A2
Standard A-4 Flattop
Car A4 Flattop
NM A2 - DCM Legal
LE Tactical Carbine
Wilson Combat
AR-15
Total Records: 84
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ANY FIREARMS SPECIFICALLY LISTED ON THIS LIST IS ILLEGAL TO OWN, UNLESS YOU HAD IT REGISTERED WITH DOJ. IF YOU OWN ONE OF THESE LISTED GUNS IT IS A FELONY TO BUY,SELL,TRANSFER,GIVE AWAY OR DISPOSE OF WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.I CAN POST THE DIRECT NUMBER TO CALIFORNIA DOJ FIREARMS DIVISION IF YOU LIKE , IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM ON THE SUBJECT
The point is...obviously they keep changing the names to get around the rules. I can get one...and so can you. From Federally liscensed dealers on Shotgun news. The large clips are the hardest to get. Especially since the AK has been in production since 1947.
The point is that they will continue to change their names to be able to sell the product. I could care less how many years of experience you have. I can get an AK style weapon here in 30 minutes...if I wanted one. even if it was against federal law.
But, if california started allowing the sales and distribution of RPG's...you better beleive the ATF and FBI would have a joint task force bring down as many distributors as possible. They cant find them all...but that has never been the point...the point is to get their cash, get their guns, and get into jail(where the prison union gets its money).
Everywhere you go is big business with its hands in the cookie jar. Especially in Shasta County.
sure you can get one (a MAK90) anytime, ILLEGALLY..I CAN TOO!...hell, i could BUILD one if i had the parts in aout an hour. then, you chance it being a cop you buy it from, or the guy youve known for 15 years that you swear wouldnt say shit if he had a mouthful gets busted for something stupid and they start offering to let him walk if he gives them some info, and all o the sudden you have the feds, DOJ and BATFE knocking on your doors. i was referencing legality. if you can buy AK47s in the back of shotgun news, and they will ship them to a licensed dealer and the dealer will transfer them to you legally, more power to ya. id LOVE to have the name of that dealer, id order 3 cases of them. now, if they are shipping them directly to ya, be prepared to spend several years as cellies with that dealer in the penitentiary.
of course a person can buy those things illegally all day long on the street if you know where to get them, ut who is stupid enough to even screw around like that and face felony charges?....not me my friend.
my whole original point was that the feds see what they want to see, and things that will benefit them. all guns should be legal everywere. if "joe" in oregon can own a specific gun, and "ted" in nevada can own the same gun, and "bob" in washington can own it too, all legally purchased thru their gunshops, WE should be ale to own the same damn gun without issues!...
yea, your right on the big business end too....they all got their fingers in the batter!
The topic is legalizing cannabis not guns.
Besides anyone who smokes is usually non-violent cant imagine anyone smoking a blunt and shooting someone. More like raiding the fridge and hogging the remote.
ACE
This ain't politically correct and I would certainly never admit this in public but it's fun to shoot bottles and cans while a little stoned and after sipping a little moonshine or some such.
And yes I'm non-violent.