MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
As in MMJ laws people need to educate themselves with the gun laws in there state.
Here in Washington you can shoot an unarmed person outside of your house but you have to be sure to know what to say when the cops show up and the best bet would be to say nothing when the cops show up. But in court all you have to say is that the perp threatened to kill you or your family. Then your covered for the right to use deadly force. Do not get into discussions with the police when they show up. It will just be used against you.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
So the N.Y. times reported steve had 385 plants total from what the police found in his house. The times said steve's authorization allowed him 50 plant's and his 21 yr old live in GF has one for another 50 plant's. Steve reported according to the times, he had less than 100 plants in his house.
This invariably could draw the attention of federal prosecutors under the new guidelines. Just like the guy in Colorado but, in a different way other than a for profit case.
I suppose it will be upto the king co. sheriffs office on whether they have actually seized over 100 plants, the #'s are clone's with no roots, or that they claim 15 plant max. limit under state law. In which steve would have very little chance fighting the over 100 limit, he would be able to do a presumption defense on a max. 15 plant limit claim.
We shall all be warming up our popcorn awaiting somekind of legal fallout this time, vs. his last invasion by leo.
My main concern since steve is alive and o.k. is my medical records, those at cannacare have assured patients the files are safe. We shall also see if this is true or just a liability cover issue.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
Not that this has any real importance to all this, but it just bugs the hell outta me that unrooted clones are considered plants and part of the count. Take them from the protected environment and they die.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
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Originally Posted by jamessr
So the N.Y. times reported steve had 385 plants total from what the police found in his house. The times said steve's authorization allowed him 50 plant's and his 21 yr old live in GF has one for another 50 plant's. Steve reported according to the times, he had less than 100 plants in his house.
This invariably could draw the attention of federal prosecutors under the new guidelines. Just like the guy in Colorado but, in a different way other than a for profit case.
I suppose it will be upto the king co. sheriffs office on whether they have actually seized over 100 plants, the #'s are clone's with no roots, or that they claim 15 plant max. limit under state law. In which steve would have very little chance fighting the over 100 limit, he would be able to do a presumption defense on a max. 15 plant limit claim.
We shall all be warming up our popcorn awaiting somekind of legal fallout this time, vs. his last invasion by leo.
My main concern since steve is alive and o.k. is my medical records, those at cannacare have assured patients the files are safe. We shall also see if this is true or just a liability cover issue.
Steve's home is CannaCare. He runs a dispensary for clones and edibles. Thats why he had so many plants. He doesn't flower them. But thats still a very gray area here in Washington. It appears Steve will have to fight again to get his stuff back or to get the cops off his ass. In Washington you can have more than 15 plants but you have to prove a medical neccesity for it. The problem is cops will just confiscate everything and force you to argue it out in court. An unfair system that assumes your guilty.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
Bottom line, its the bandits and thieves that are giving medical marijuana and growing it a bad name. This is all because of a needless, senseless prohibition. Occasionally, someone may rob a liquor store but its not usually for the alcohol, its for the money. But when a grow is raided, the real interest is money. there is no difference. Government has made a plant worth far more then Mother Nature had intended. So where does the blame truly lie? With the laws against prohibition. The greatest majority of medical marijuana and recreational users are non-violent. Government officials should hang their heads in shame if another person dies or is robbed because of prohibition. :wtf:
Talk about being collectively raped by authorities. And, the anti's will try and cast the worst light on this. They need to be shouted down and pass I-1068 and end this fucking madness. :thumbsup:
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
And Steve is a good example too how when you're an MMJ patient you can get robbed twice. Once by the robbers and then by the cops. Thats why for the time being its better not to call the cops. Have a plan, make it as secure as you can and keep your mouth shut.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.
Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "
So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?
Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."
It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
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Originally Posted by Salvein211
Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.
Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "
So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?
Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."
It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.
I know someone with an authorization and a concealed permit that is still current as of this date to my knowledge. Just don't brandish it or flash it in a threatening or intimidating manner that is a crime in Washington state, along with clubs, swords, bottles, and other numerous weapons from the late 1800s-early 1900s.. :thumbsup:
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
the saddest thing is if someone breaks into your home and injures him/herself he/she can sue you,and they always win the case.my motto 2 in the chest one in the head makes them dead! i have permits for my 3 pistols and many rifles im an avid hunter/marksman and i rarely miss a target.
but the best situation if someone enters your home let em take what they want hide so ur not seen and let them do there thing,makes everything easier and no reason to put your families life in danger,get an alarm system dont post the signs saying you have one theives are smart remember its there job to rob so they know ways around everything....
if physical/deadly force is needed then by all means do what you have to do.i know that if i see a person in my home with a gun i will be shooting first if im able 2....but if its not a gun call the cops and protect yourself.....some cops actually do care..
keep it safe be smart and use caution with everything you do.
MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion
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Originally Posted by Salvein211
Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.
Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "
So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?
Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."
It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.
Yes federally if you're busted for growing, consumming or selling you will get a firearm charge on top of the MJ charge. But under normal conditions the feds don't become involved below 100 plants. So generally you're safe in the state, just don't cross state lines with both a firearm and MJ. Have had CWP for about 30 years and as long as you use commonsense the cops don't bother you.
In Washington state you can only use a firearm to protect yourself or someone else. Its important to remember if you ever get in a circumstance where you have to use a firearm in self defense to always say you were in fear of your life, that either the person threatened you or took threatening actions.
Cops show up pretty quickly if you say there's a firearm being used. If you do end up having to use it be sure to unload and lay somewhere in plain site for the cops to see and make no furtive movements when they show up. Hands clear of body, no cellphones or anything else in your hands.
The general rule is a triple tap. 2 to the chest, 1 to the head.
