My Loss of Faith

[quote=chris62008][quote=BlueBlazer] My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen.

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If you do not know how the universe and "all that" came to be than how do you know if my God made it or not? YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! and you even said it yourself!!! hahahahahahahahahaha... im gonna go smoke one now... hahahahaha GO COWBOYS!!! :rasta:

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How old are you? Seriously.

I'm 20. Why? whats that have anything to do with what were talking about? lol

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Originally Posted by chris62008

I'm 20. Why? whats that have anything to do with what were talking about? lol

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Because debating you is like debating my 9 year old grandson.

Try to focus.

You have no proof of your claims of god other than pointing to an ancient set of writings that have no more intrinsic truth than ANY other religion or lack of religion for that matter. You have proven nothing by simply saying that since I don't know how the universe came to be, then it must be god. That argument doesn't even make sense.

Do you know how your cell phone was made? What exactly makes it work? Oh, you don't know?!? Well that just proves that Big Foot made it. :cool:

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

If God can't answer the most simple prayer of a dying child, why would he give a fuck about anything I pray about?

If God can't protect the weakest of us all, how could we say any of us are cared for by a loving god?

I've fallen from faith and no amount of biblical teaching can make me return.

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these were the very questions Mother Theresa wrote in her journal during her final days of life when she too lost her faith.

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Originally Posted by hazetwostep

these were the very questions Mother Theresa wrote in her journal during her final days of life when she too lost her faith.

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Really? I never heard that before.
Goodness, cruelty, sin all come from us as humans. I believe there is a God, just not as any of us have ever been taught in a traditional form. And certainly not a God that listens to any prayer or cares that innocence is the most brutalized and suffered group on the planet.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Ya right. So far, for the history of man, the meek have inherited brutality, starvation, disease and all forms of abuse and suffering.

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

Goodness, cruelty, sin all come from us as humans. I believe there is a God, just not as any of us have ever been taught in a traditional form.

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Yes I agree. I believe god is a much more advanced alien race that sent life to earth on a probe. This original life evolved into the vast tree of life through evolution. It is so obvious when you look at an animals face (not much fundamentally different than us, they have eyes ears mouth etc.), that we are all distant relatives. We share DNA even with bacteria. In some cases this DNA is 2 billion years old that has been passed down through countless generations of life. Something created life and it all boils down to one qustion: was life created on earth through random chemical processes or was it perhaps placed here by an intelligent technological culture? All the Earth creatures are linked to the ocean we are all connected. If god is an alien culture they may be dead by now. Or perhaps they are on their way here right now, it takes a long time to travel through space. Either way the original architects of life on Earth who started evolution (the gods) have no control over what happens on Earth. They are long gone.

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

I used to be very religious. I even married a lady that used to be a nun. Now I can't stomach the thought of it all.
Look in the eyes of a starving, dying child. Is there God? The child prays every night for nothing more than simple food. Does God answer?

If God can't answer the most simple prayer of a dying child, why would he give a fuck about anything I pray about?

If God can't protect the weakest of us all, how could we say any of us are cared for by a loving god?

I've fallen from faith and no amount of biblical teaching can make me return.

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well thats what happens when you start to "walk by sight" and not "by faith" you start 2 question what you thought was true and in the end, your left feeling more misrable than when u started cause you left the source of truth and life. :hippy:

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Originally Posted by j420heat

well thats what happens when you start to "walk by sight" and not "by faith" you start 2 question what you thought was true and in the end, your left feeling more misrable than when u started cause you left the source of truth and life. :hippy:

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Faith means believing in something that isn't proven. Sight means believing it what has been proven. I don't have faith in gravity, I know it is real. I don't have belief in god, because any god's existence is unproven and doesn't make sense. I left the "source of truth and life" a long time ago and I am far from miserable. I enjoy my life very much, thank you . . . and I have my Sundays free. :D

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Faith means believing in something that isn't proven. Sight means believing it what has been proven. I don't have faith in gravity, I know it is real. I don't have belief in god, because any god's existence is unproven and doesn't make sense. I left the "source of truth and life" a long time ago and I am far from miserable. I enjoy my life very much, thank you . . . and I have my Sundays free. :D

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way to go on keeping things in its proper context, i mean what are u doing, compairing apples and oranges and concluding there both the same........ any ways id rather put my faith in a loving god than people, goverment churches ect ect cause in the end they will all let you down one way or another, but god is more than faithfull if we CONTINUE to put our trust in him and not lose heart. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by j420heat

way to go on keeping things in its proper context, i mean what are u doing, compairing apples and oranges and concluding there both the same........

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No, I'm pointing out that faith, by definition, means believing in something unproven. You believe you are right about god, but you do not know you are right about god. The existence of god is not a proven fact, such as the law of gravity.

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Originally Posted by j420heat

any ways id rather put my faith in a loving god than people, goverment churches ect ect cause in the end they will all let you down one way or another, but god is more than faithfull if we CONTINUE to put our trust in him and not lose heart. :thumbsup:

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Good on you as long as you don't annoy folks who don't believe as you do by proselytizing. However, folks who don't believe as you do are not necessarily "miserable". They find meaning in their lives without surrendering it to something you "just have to believe."