LED or HPS

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Water cooling of the TI bars is fairly easy and straight forward. And it is a plus in many ways since the design spreads the lights out, not a block design like most hi-power LED lights. I've actually been looking at long (4') aluminum heat sinks, plus fans for a DIY light design (800-1200w over 4'x4') and honestly I'm thinking about using water cooling instead. It might even be more energy efficent then running so many fans.

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I totally agree, much better than spilling it back into the grow space.

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It's funny you should mention the air output from the TI 600 Pro-Bloom's. Just last night we filled the new aero/fog tray will rooted cuttings, and sat watching the lights move back and forth accross the tray on the light rail. The output blows down slightly towards the plantlets causing them to be blown around lightly. We where just saying last night how nice it was, no need for a oscillatting fan on the plants! See, one person's fault is another's plus.

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This is so true!

M.P.

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I personally would not / will not recommend the use of, or non use of, any product I have not used, am using or have first hand knowledge of. Maybe that's just me. I don't take "trust me" information from anybody including my doctors without first doing my own research.

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The funny thing about reality on a forum is you only can really go by what the other person posts. Some of us do read between the lines.

That being said, you can lead a horse to water....

I really don't give a shit what light you use but if you are going to spend your hard earned dough on an LED I would highly suggest you try out that lumigrow and you might be blown away at growth rates. TRUST ME. lmao

Good luck guys, peace & success. :thumbsup: :hippy:

IMO the funny thing is people who enter a discussion and don't know how to discuss.

You can also gauge a response by the person saying it. Some people around the community have a good reputation for assisting people, not jamming "name brands" down their throats. Maybe a goal you should strive for...

BTW, no one cares what your personal opinion is. Stop mentioning how personal you take this, and maybe people will stop thinking you are overcompensating for pushing product. Their perception is their reality. They want to know what you can show, put your money where your mouth is so to speak.

I don't get the metaphor. You can lead a horse to water... but what? You can't make him shell out money for unproven products? Maybe sales isn't your calling

Well really what happened here is a few people who seem to be overly skeptical (which I can appreciate) came into a discussion I was having with another member who was asking for info that I provided and I was then asked a somewhat of a "trap question" that I responded to in a kind reasonable manner and proceeded to be cross examined about my opinions and defend them. There is such a thing as "better"

A 600 HPS is "better" than a 400 watt HPS. Proven fact. It put's out more light, more useable PAR watts, is more efficient at making light.

The hortilux HPS bulbs are "better" than regular commercial HPS lights, more PAR watts. Proven fact. There is no confusion here.

LED lights: produce light to grow plants..

The Lumigrow ES makes more par watts than the equivelant TI Smartlamp and has more actual red 660 nm which has been proven to be the primary range cannabis uses for flowering..it does'nt take a rocket scientist to deduct the end results.

I say you do what you think is right..any of them will "work" but some things are just simple math and if you put the TI 600 next to the Lumigrow ES I will bet you the price of the light the Lumigrow outproduces the TI lamp signifigantly. That's not to say I am knocking their product, before this one came out they were the leaders but that only lasts so long with advancements in any technology or market...early in this thread my initial response was that they are very good lights but the TI 1000 is alot more money and must be water cooled.

The Lumigrow ES is just better IN MY VERY EDUCATED opinion.

If you can't appreciate that I'm ok with that, it does'nt really matter I guess.

I don't need to prove anything to anyone and I go back to the early days of OG. Nuff' said.

I just recently started recommending the Lumigrow and if you would like to research my posts here you can see it's just a small fraction of the useful advice I provide people with.

I think I clearly demonstrate my intentions to help only and not harm.

If I would have said earlier in thread "Oh yeah these lights rock, I'm blowing it the fuck up in my room with 2 of them over a hydro table and they are growing the plants so fast I can't believe it" and posted some pictures then you guy's would all be telling me how awesome that is and how great they look, but alas, I did not. :rastasmoke:

I really am done here guys, time will certainly tell and if you want to settle for less and pay more than be my guest. 1 watt LED's and less flowering red or 5 watt LED's and huge red range peaking in 660 nm..hmmmm hard choice.

Ohh yeah the saying goes:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"
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As much as I wish this all could be mine it's not..or else I would be busy smoking it instead of playing around here... :stoned:

This picture was from another forum, 2 lumigrows over a big table and not sure who to credit for the pic but I'm sure someone can find the grow thread..

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Looks virtually the same as 2 600 watts HPS's to me but hey maybe I just make this shit up as I go along? ;)

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Hey there FreeDaHerb,

How good have your results been with the LumiGrow ES? I came across thier web site and was very interested in them. Thier use of 5 watt diodes is what caught my attention, plus the red/blue dials for setting the R/B ratio seems really trick. I would think that for someone using only one light for both veg and flower could find that pretty usefull, almost as good as Weezard's "dial a stretch" control.:D

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This is the "trap question" I asked. The way you where talking about these lights I was sure you must be using them. Sorry, did not mean to trap you.

You keep saying how much more powerfull these lights are. Theoreme Innovation list the photon energy expressed in mico moles for all of thier lights, why not LumiGrow? TI submitted 2 of thier lights the SmartLight and SmartBars for an independent review, why not Lumigrow?

BTW the TI pro-blooms have 183 micro moles of PPFD (photosynthetic photon flux density). Maybe you could find out what the LumiGrow puts out, then we could better compare them.

Contact lumigrow and ask them and do please let us know what you find out.

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Originally Posted by FreeDaHerb

Contact lumigrow and ask them and do please let us know what you find out.

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I'ma hop on in here for a nonce.

High Guys!

I did contact Lumigrow by e-mail because it does look like a player.

I offered to run a legal A/B /C Med grow.
Lumigrow/Bubbalight/Hawaiian Sunlight.
They misunderstood.
They tried to sell me a light at their "sale price" $ 1,300.
Oops, sorry, $ 1299.99! :wtf:.

I clarified my offer.
The sales person declined with another pitch.<sigh>
Said they could not "give me a free light".
Good grief! It's not like I intended to keep it.
Just offered to run a test if nothing had to come out of my pocket.:hippy:

I told her "Don't sell plastic clothes". :D
(Anyone with any time in sales, would "get" that one.)
(For them what don't. "Don't sell past the close." is the punch line).

Perhaps I should have called and hacked my way though the sales team to get to a "person of influence", but I wasn't all that interested now that I can bloom in sunlight 365.

If I didn't already have stellar veg lights, I'd prolly push a little.;)
Looks like a good light, but they don't seem very keen to compete is all I'm sayin'.

Carry on.
Weeze out.

Yeah Weez, I agree and most likely that girl on the phone probably does'nt have the ability or motivation to send out a test light. Also, they probably get asked alot for "free lights" I think they might have missed a big chance to have you test it out. But hey I guess if I had a kick ass LED light like theirs I would make people pay too! Seems people used to pay the $1500 - $1600 for their older less powerful one that did'nt have the new 660 nm red and like you guy's brought up in that other thread it's probably close to three procyons output wise and in a better color range for flowering so from what I can tell the $1,299 is a decent price. Obviously they would sell a shit load of them if it was half that price but I do think they are quite expensive to build material wise plus a 5 year warranty is always nice. Hey if I was made out of money and cost was no object I would buy a few in a blink. I think it's like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. Same with those TI Smartlamps & procyons which are by no means cheap and really in all calculations more than the lumigrow all things considered. The TI lights are both more to begin with and 3 Procyons would set you back $550 - $595 x 3 = $1650 to $1785 and even then would'nt have the right deep red or any white LED. Plus they are not the 5 watt LED's which obviously have greater penetration and are brighter than the 1 or 2 watt emitters. I do have to add though that for a small veg light in LED the Procyon 100 is a hell of a bright light and worth every penny.