Hydro vs. Soil

:( i smok hidro every day and i love it i am growing in soil and it taste like shit how long do i need to flush it for it wont tast like shit :(

Are you referring to Practical Skills in Biology? I know that book it was great for rolling joints on in school.

The only reason hydroponics is used in the lab is because it shows negative and positive reactions faster then anything else. Science is all about eliminating possibilities, and the business of science demands fast results so Hydro as their choice makes sense.

Marijuana is not a typical fruit bearing or flower bearing plant either and you canâ??t apply that science to a resin production plant. Fruit bearing and flower bearing plant have quite a lot in common with each other and play a role is natureâ??s life cycle. Allan Jones rewrote some of their findings if memory serves me right he helped Cambell with the first one I believe. C. R. Hawes Plant cell biology is better in understanding an explanation of microinjection and micromanipulation and I find that more relevant to Marijuana cultivation.

Marijuana is a dichotomous short day resin producing plants. The requirements are different then most traditional plants in nature today. These plants will adept to almost any environment and that is what makes it so wonderful to work with. Marijuana does not really grow flowers, or fruit to eat. It produces resin that contains THC. We smoke the plant to get the resin. The negative side is the natural chemical chlorophyll you ingest when you smoke marijuana to extract the resin. A resin producing plant has many different requirements from non-resin producing plants and has a short life cycle where there is tremendous change every 24 hours in the cell structure. Itâ??s very sensitive to the environment around it, how may other plants can change their sex if it gets to hot and produce viable seeds that are not part of the skin or fruit?

I feel hydro is the best way to achieve the maximum production of resin for the limited cycle of this plantâ??s life and the best way to keep up with the fast changing requirements of a short life cycle plant.

I did not find you analogy to vitamins relevant at all. With vitamin supplements you get the nutrition with out the sugar and poison used to grow it in again and again and again in the same soil leaching nutrients and making the plant modify itâ??s genetics to adapt to the changes in the soil.

â??Your cells do this from the time you're born till you die. For 70 + years it copies all these strands of DNA with no errors. You have on the order of 10^ 13 or 10 ^14 number of cells, that's

I thought we were talking about growing Marijuana?
1,000,000,000,000,000 cells each with 46 chromosomes. There are about 3 billion base pairs in those 46 chromosomes, 5% of which codes for things. A cell cycle takes about 24 hours so it does this in a paltry 24 hours. No need to go looking for miracles, the fact we aren't all cancer ridden and dying is a miracle in itself..â?�

I think this is wrong too; there are thousands of influences in our everyday life that I feel have the ability to change and alter human cells. Electromagnetic radiation for one is found all around us. We assume the levels are not so high as to hurt us but after 20-30 years of electromagnetic radiation science did find a change in human cells a rise in cancer, birth deformities, and other anomalies. The DNA strains that control life were altered by outside influences was the finding.

You said â??But if it's just for me then I don't need such great yieldsâ?� and that the point. Your needs are from your prospective and based on your experience. Do you not think this influences your opinion of what the outcome should be? You arrived at your conclusion by observation and trial and error. That limits your data and manipulates you outcome but does it make that wrong? No not really, data is only relevant to the time and manor it was collected and what you are going to do with the conclusion will affect the outcome.

Thanks for the debateâ?¦.good luck with your grow. Stay safe and stay healthy.

Thanks, I'll try to find the book you're talking about. The cambell book is a basic intro biology book so it covers basic plant biology but it doesn't get really in depth.

I looked at hermaphrodism in plants more closely, and it seems that a lot of plants other than cannabis can go hermaphroditic. I read one site that stated it was around 70% of flowering plants are hermaphroditic

"Hermaphroditism is very common in plants -- about 70% of flowering plants are hermaphroditic, while only about 5% are dioecious and 7% are monoecious. About 7% of species exhibit gynodioecy or androdioecy, while 10% contain both unisexual and bisexual flowers. It is thought that flowering plants evolved from a common hermaphrodite ancestor, and that dioecy evolved from hermaphroditism. I have gone into more detail, with respect to the evolution of dioecy, in my field report on Sagittaria latifolia."

LOL you're right we were talking about mj, all that other gobbledy gook is just nature vs man kinda arguing. But yes, of course outside things can alter DNA, if you're in a highly radioactive area...yes you will get damage, or if you ingest carcinogens and yes your DNA will be changed. But if you consider the marvel of the human body, so many things have to work so efficiently and so well just to survive. I'm only talking about errors during synthesis and not outside effects. I still find the fact that I'm alive to be a real long shot.

If it weren't for the noise of pumps, and the fact that I'm not home at least 60-70 hours a week due to work and commute than I would probably get a RO filter and go the hydro route at least just a round for testing. An experienced hydro vs an experienced soil grower, I would bet on the hydro grower out yielding the soil grower and I don't think the taste would be all that different. Hydro is great if you can be around more to check on them, it requires a bit more daily attention which makes soiless mix a better option for myself. The other reason I haven't tried dabbling more with hydro is that most systems have a common res which makes growing different strains problematic. Like if you grow C99 and something like Neville's haze in an ebb flow table you won't be able to flush the C99. (if you know of a good way to grow different strains simultaneously in hydro without having to change 3 or 4 reservoirs I'd like to know). DWC would be an option but only if you have good moms and clones already set. and I don't keep moms cause I just don't want to be growing all the time, it raises the probability of being busted so I'd rather get a decent yield to last 8 monthes or so and then close down and enjoy my weed paranoia free until I run low and have to grow again.

Hydro is probably one of the best method for commercial growing. Most commercial growers want to max out yield so they grow homogeneous gardens rather than trying to grow 5 strains at once which can make it tough to get a good even canopy. It also makes SOG a hell of a lot easier than having 50 little pots to water.

Lastly, that quote in your sig, I have a poster with Albert Einstein on it with that same quote, it's one of my favorites, just seemed like a funny coincedence when I read it.

Peace

Zandor and phillykid
This post was one of the most informative posts i've read on here . You both know quite alot about. my hats off to you both, it was a pleasure reading this. I used to grow with soil, now i grow hydroponically. My areoponic set up along with an ebb and flo, easily grows fast and better than soil. useing organic nutes and flushing produces product that is cleaner than any soil grow. Ever try flushing out a soil grow ? Not very easy to do cause soil remains with some of the minerals no matter how much or long one would run a hose in it.
great post
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Guys, this is the best damn thread i have ever read on this site. Thanks for sharing all of the knowledge and experience, and expecially for taking the time it took to type it all. For newbies to the science like me, this is good stuff. Soil vs Hydro? I just love GOOD BUD......later....

Hermaphroditic transformation is natureâ??s way of surviving thatâ??s all. Not everything in nature needs M/F balance; nature will always find a way to survive. In nature where survival requires a third party (ie. wind, bees, ect) to deliver the pollen to the female to maintain the species in the absence of this third party there is always hermaphroditic transformation. This is triggered mostly by environment. Most noticeable HEAT will trigger what I think of as a panic mode. This is buried deep in the plants RNA and is where I believe the hermaphroditic transformation trigger lays. It occurs later in the plants cycle of life as short as it is in the first place. When the plant is near the end of its life (last 45 dayâ??s of flower period) there is less THC production at this point. The trichomes grow the most in the last 3 weeks then in any other time during the life cycle. The 2 weeks prior to that point (the plant is itâ??s most fertile and also the most sensitive to the environment. If the plant only senses female hormones I believe this is the point where the temperature will trigger the hermaphroditic transformation.

The bonus of manipulation at this point is having mail flowers growing on a female plant. Soma uses this method to make female seeds. He uses the mail banana to pollinate the whole plant and make female seeds that grow a female plant (and charge more for the seeds). He claims this is a more natural way of stressing the plant and manipulates the life cycle.

So you are working with the broadleaf arrowhead? I thought that was a wetland plant grown around lakes, streams and ponds? Does it produce resin too? I thought it was just a food source for waterfowl. Have you found any common ancestors to the Cannabis plant? I always thought it was a close cousin but that was years ago in college and those times are a little fuzzy.

Anyway before I ramble on to long thank you for the great discussion I have enjoyed it.

Happy growing to you, stay safe. Someday the walls may comedown and we can have a cup of coffee and a joint and test for ourselves if there is a taste difference.


Thank you everyone who is using their valuable time to read all this. We both have tended to ramble a bit hu? You should hear some my lectures if you think this is rambling. â??The future of Application development for the small to medium businessâ?� was a real edge of your seat topic last year at the developers conference ...lol

Yup, hermaphrodism makes perfect sense from a natural selection point of view. Just wondering why you think it resides in the RNA rather than DNA? It seems that plants that have high incidence of hermie have offspring that have similar lack of tolerance. Like thai plants so I would figure it'd be contained in the DNA. I actually thought it was probably more of a trait that was controlled by several genes rather than just one.

Dunno if that broadleaf question was for me, but if it was then no. I work as a technician in a neurovirology lab, mostly doing molecular and cell biology stuff.

Yes yes, I'm a rambler lol. Glad folks found it informative, I did as well.

Peace

Sir Francis Crick in 1968 that first suggested that RNA must have been the first genetic molecule, further suggesting that RNA, besides acting as a template, might also act as an enzyme and, in so doing, catalyze its own self-replication. It was proven in 1980 by Nobel Prize-winning researcher Thomas R. Cech. RNA has the ability to act as both genes and enzymes. This property could offer a way around the "chicken-and-egg" problem. (Genes require enzymes; enzymes require genes.) Furthermore, RNA can be transcribed into DNA, in reverse of the normal process of transcription. These facts are reasons to consider that the RNA world could be the original pathway to cells.

Virtually all biologists agree that bacterial cells cannot form from nonliving chemicals in one step. If life arises from nonliving chemicals, there must be intermediate forms, "precellular life." Of the various theories of precellular life,(and there are many of them) the most popular is "the RNA world."

Yeah, but cannabis is a plant and plants and animals are higher organisms I've never heard of a higher organism use RNA as sole genetic material. Some viruses use RNA, like HIV, it basically hijacks your cell and uses reverse transcriptase to convert it to DNA after infection.

Once you get outta the viruses most everything else uses DNA to produce mRNA to produce proteins. But RNA probably preceded DNA as you suggest. There are several forms of RNA (mRNA, tRNA, rRNA) and some act as enzymes and others act to translate the DNA code to make proteins.

Viruses and prions are candidates for precellular life. Some argue whether or not viruses even qualify as life forms since they need a host to propagate.

I donâ??t think we are going to have an answer to this one for about 10 to 20 years. This is chicken-n-egg stuff so the answer will need positive proof. Even that will be suspect by right-wingers and every religion on earth.

I look forward to the day you and I can sit and have a cup of coffee and a joint. Thanks for the conversation phillykid420 itâ??s been fun and enlighting.