Single Payer health Care

to get back to the original question, I just wanted to point out that in single payer systems they introduce competition in different ways. Instead of how much a dr can make by endorsing a certain drug, he gets paid more from the gvt by lowering your blood pressure, getting you to quit smoking, having reg check ups..

So there is competition in single payer systems between dr's and medical companies, but the flow of wealth is not one designed to increase a share holder's wealth, but instead to the dr that does the best job. ;)

liberals listen to me

if its passed, private health insurance will NO LONGER exist, there will be no choice but the government insurance (Freedom lost)

if obama really wants to be cost-effective with healthcare, why doesnt he ask the 13,000,000 illegal aliens to get the F*CK out because we are in over our heads

socialism is NOT the answer

you honestly believe doctors will be refunded 100% of what they are truly owed???!

did you know that of all the cash for clunkers cars, the government only paid out 2% of those $4500 checks to dealerships? the other 98% is eaten by the dealers, thanks government

the government is NOT THE ANSWER TO OUR PROBLEMS. IT IS OUR PROBLEM

WE RUN THIS COUNTRY, DONT GIVE OUR POWERS AWAY

OMG this arguement is so funny. I like Justanotherboos videos. Like that one about the MRI when the couple ciomplains about having to mortgage the house so they can afford to go to america to get a MRI, when 45% of all bankruptcies in America are due to medical bills! HAH! They even got to keep their house! Jerks.

I know Im firmly on Romulux's side here but honestly, dont post any more information you naysayer's that proves our point right. Hilarious.


Headshake,the post office runs a publiv service. Thats all it is, kinda like health care. Also I like the post office, I sell books online and they always have the cheapest rates (yay media mail!), to help out my small business. ;)

Oh and the statistics on our WHO rating is funny to, since most of the countries in front of us have socialized health care, and most of the countries behind us have private insurance - or relief aid.

Oh, and Headshake, the article you just posted is actually a continuation from a Bush law which designates that exact amount of troops for a terrorist attack, or WMD, OR threatening the use of one. So, the pentagon is extending it for other disaster's - hurricanes, floods, fires. I'm not sure why this is a point in your argument, but you better start it with Bush since he made up the law first.

Haha ok, im done. Thanks for making me laugh. :)

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Originally Posted by carinia

Headshake,the post office runs a publiv service. Thats all it is, kinda like health care. Also I like the post office, I sell books online and they always have the cheapest rates (yay media mail!), to help out my small business. ;)

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and isn't health care for everyone a public service? ok, so the post office gives you the cheapest bill. but because they LOSE money, someone has to make that up. where do you suppose that money comes from? the TAXPAYERS! (if you pay taxes that's you too.) I'm not asking for the post office to turn a profit, but how about they just break even?

this is the same govt that you are asking to run health care. so how is this supposed to work? the fact that ups and fedex both are profitable and private, while the post office is a money suck controlled by the govt.

what do you think is going to happen to insurance? competition? yeah right!

i'm not saying the way it is now is working. i'm simply saying what they propose is not the answer.

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Originally Posted by carinia

Oh and the statistics on our WHO rating is funny to, since most of the countries in front of us have socialized health care, and most of the countries behind us have private insurance - or relief aid.

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and from what i've been reading/hearing a lot of those countries aren't doing so hot. brittan, spain, norway or sweeden (i can't remember).

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Originally Posted by carinia

Oh, and Headshake, the article you just posted is actually a continuation from a Bush law which designates that exact amount of troops for a terrorist attack, or WMD, OR threatening the use of one. So, the pentagon is extending it for other disaster's - hurricanes, floods, fires. I'm not sure why this is a point in your argument, but you better start it with Bush since he made up the law first.

Haha ok, im done. Thanks for making me laugh. :)

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you're right, it is from bush. i never said otherwise. but it's currently the barack administration that is continuing along these lines. they could change course if they wanted to. the point is that the government interference with anything is bad. the less govt the better.

they are using these platforms to TAKE MINE AND YOUR RIGHTS away. if you think otherwise you are sadly mistaken.

and the funny thing is you would think it would the the right wing republicans that would be trying to make these changes, but in truth it's the democrats.

you can think whatever you want. i know i'll be ready when the revolution comes. will you?


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Oh yeah I got the batcave ready! Funny, I think the apocalypse (or revolution, however it fits) is coming too, but I dont think it will be socialized medicine that does it. ;)

Y'all can say waht you want... I am *STILL* waiting for the *FREE* medical and dental that was promised the US military vets, and retirees when we enlisted in the first place.

As far as that goes, NO military retiree should ever have to pay federal income tax again, ever!!

Thats the least they can do for those of us who sacrificed 20+ years of our lives in the service of our country, instead of providing all those benifits to all of the ILLEGAL ALIENS in the US.

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Oh yeah I got the batcave ready! Funny, I think the apocalypse (or revolution, however it fits) is coming too, but I dont think it will be socialized medicine that does it. ;)

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once again, it's not socialized medicine that will be the turning point. it's merely a step in the wrong direction. it's the govt interfering with our lives. we need less govt, not more. how much money do they waste? for what? protecting our freedoms? you and i both know that's not the case.

i do think there needs to be health care reform. i actually think we need to start over back at the constitution......but how likely is that to happen....until we make it!

i hear ya loud and clear steve!


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Originally Posted by eastbaygordo

If you believe the GOP lies about how health care will be worse, I'll sell you the Golden Gate Bridge....cheap.

Health care is the next looming bubble that will let the rich redistribute money from poor and middle class to their pockets.:S4:

The past eight years have been nothing but lies, torture, illegal spying, wars based on ego, and rich getting richer and bailed out after they lost our money. Wake up, these are the same people who profit from our loss, you can't believe their lies.

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After you were dumb enough to buy the bridge, now you want somebody dumber than you. NOT

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Originally Posted by Ramulux

Private insurance companies do the exact same thing. If a doctor submits a claim for insurance reimbursement they are paid according to the pay rates set forth by the insurance company. That is all the government is doing. These rates put forth by the government are also generally in line with the standard market cost for health care services.



Like you said, 2/3 is already paid for and the other third is gonna be spread out over ten years. So that is $300 billion for the most comprehensive social reform in our history. A reform that is going to provide every child born in this country with the ability to go to the doctor regardless of their parents income bracket. That is a beautiful fucking thing and you are bitching about $300 billion. We just had over a trillion dollars literally stolen from us in these bailouts. That is a trillion dollars that none of us are ever going to get back. But now we have a chance to spend $300 billion on something that is going to benefit millions and millions of people in profound ways, and you have a problem with that. The tax increases that have been proposed so far do not effect anyone making less than $350,00 a year and are pretty minor.



This proposal you are talking about has nothing to do with small businesses. This would impose a surtax of 1% on couples making $350,00 to $500,000, 1.5% between $500,000 and $1 million, and 5% for couples making over $1 million. This is also just a proposal and it was introduced a while ago so I do not think it ended up turning into anything.

I had also heard about how Massachusetts had begun fining residents for not purchasing health care, but that is under the current private system. However, I had not heard that you would be fined if you did not accept coverage with the public option. I do not really see how that would work but if you could provide some sources I would appreciate it because I cannot find any information about this.

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If you have not heard of that then you did not read the bill that the house committee passed. You MUST buy into the public option if you do not have insurance. It is not free.
Maybe if the feds allowed the "evil" insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines like every other product or service there would be some competition. Tort reform would do far more to reduce costs than any other reform the people that brought us this problem could come up with.

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Originally Posted by headshake

once again, it's not socialized medicine that will be the turning point. it's merely a step in the wrong direction. it's the govt interfering with our lives. we need less govt, not more. how much money do they waste? for what? protecting our freedoms? you and i both know that's not the case.
i do think there needs to be health care reform. i actually think we need to start over back at the constitution......but how likely is that to happen....until we make it!

i hear ya loud and clear steve!


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I agree.

We need insurance reform but big government is not the answer. The government can't even fix the roads, why should we let them take control of our health care?