Obama says torturers may face prosecution

i didn't defend myself because i've dealt with enough left-wingers that insist on
playing by the rules while the jihadists continue killing innocent people.

the truth is, some of these people will never get it, they'll just continue to insist
that we are wrong while they themselves turn the other cheek. i guess they just
don't realize that that only gives the jihadists a better angle to cut thier friggin
heads off.

if some of their family is killed in the next attack maybe then they'll get it.

i'll say it again, you can't apply the rules of boxing to a cage fight!

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Torture has never gotten results? How exactly do you know that?

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How do you know it has?

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We aren't talking about them torturing citizens to find out where a grow op is. The people being interrogated were war prisoners, enemies of the state, not American citizens. If they ever began torturing American citizens I would speak up and fight against that, but that isn't what were talking about here.

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So, if our own soldiers are war prisoners, or enemies of the state, then it would be OK to torture American Soldiers?

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Not to mention, why should we treat our enemies better than they treat us. Do you not remember the beheading videos of American's in the Middle East? Do you think our enemies give a shit about how they get information from their captives?

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Because you lead by example. Do you not remember what our Government did to it's own citizens? The tuskegee experiment, ruby ridge, waco, rainbow farms, japanese during ww2, war on drugs, and the list goes on and on. Do you think our "Leaders" give a shit about us?

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Seeing as these extremist seem to be fighting a holy war, is statement was not at all off base. And yes, they have already blown up Americans mothers, daughters, sons, moms wives, etc as well as many other nationalities both on 9/11 and other terrorist attacks around the world.

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Which we had plent of intelligence before this ever happened and failed miserably to protect the American people.

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Their entire hatred for Western Civilization is based on their extreme religious views.

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Pure propaganda

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We aren't going over their kidnapping innocent children and water boarding them, these are terrorists, enemy combatants, most of which have been exiled from their native country meaning they are no longer protected under the Geneva Convention.

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How do you know what went on over there?

Lets see how the pro-torture groups feel once they capture some of our troops in Afganistan and attempt to extract information from them using the same torture techniques. :twocents:.

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Originally Posted by gypski

Lets see how the pro-torture groups feel once they capture some of our troops in Afganistan and attempt to extract information from them using the same torture techniques. :twocents:.

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and when they're done laughing at the stupid Americans and their stupid rules,
they'll just behead our troops.

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Originally Posted by justanotherbozo

and when they're done laughing at the stupid Americans and their stupid rules,
they'll just behead our troops.

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Although there may be a glimmer of reality in that, and looking at what occurred at Falluja with the Blackwater people, and David Burg, it could be possible. Does that mean we have to stoop to that level of barbarity? Could you behead a person without tossing your guts? If your into torture, you better lay off the medication. Its taking you in the wrong direction. :D

Take this personal torture test and see if you approve. Get some pepper spray and spray it on your ass, or have a friend do it and record your reaction. Or have a friend tie your hands and feet, put you on your stomach, then take a rope and tie your feet and hand together. Hog tie you up tight and see how long you last. :jointsmile:

Record this too for Youtube, then come back and tell us how you still support torture of underlings and other low levels with no actionable intelligence but what ever you want them to admit to. :twocents:

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Originally Posted by epxroot

How do you know it has?

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I don't, my main point here is that Obama hurt our national security by releasing the documents. If he wanted to end it fine, he doesn't need to make a publicity stunt and release secrets to the entire world and our enemies.

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So, if our own soldiers are war prisoners, or enemies of the state, then it would be OK to torture American Soldiers?

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Our soldiers are protected under the Geneva Convention. When we start strapping bombs to our chests, than we can compare us to them.

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Because you lead by example. Do you not remember what our Government did to it's own citizens? The tuskegee experiment, ruby ridge, waco, rainbow farms, japanese during ww2, war on drugs, and the list goes on and on. Do you think our "Leaders" give a shit about us?

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Of course our government has done some shitty things to Americans as well. Simply because we allow torture of foreign terrorists doesn't mean it will be used against us, when that happens than I will change my stance, I feel that is unlikely though.

So I guess obamas plan is to close down gitmo, pull the troops out of Iraq, and prosecute Americans for fighting the war on terror ? goodness.

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

So I guess obamas plan is to close down gitmo, pull the troops out of Iraq, and prosecute Americans for fighting the war on terror ? goodness.

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I read an article several days ago about American soldiers who were lost and separated from their unit. They came across an Iraqi teen, they became worried for their safety, and deliberated as to if they should kill the Iraqi. They decided not to kill him out of fear of a shit storm being started and them being prosecuted. As it turned out, the kid gave their position to the enemy.

Why do we not protect our citizens and soldiers first and than worry about the rest of the world?

same thing happened in afghanistan. the book lone survivor tells all about it.

i just got back from iraq, and believe me, its ridiculous. there's a saying over there. "its better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six"