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if obama supported full legalization, it still wouldn't happen...there are too many special interest groups, corporations, and well-funded lobbyists who want full criminalization...all we have to offer the politicians are a few votes and a clear conscience...that's democracy!
I cant believe Im going to argue with sweet granny but here goes. I was having this thought a couple of nights ago when I watched a really outdated video on MJ. They was the same advocates, but much younger, saying the same things. The same night I watched an old 21 jump street (circa early 80's)where they were taking down some huge MJ dealer. The show joked whats the deal we are half way to decriminalization. really? they thought that when I was 5? I never knew.
The thoughts I had were this. Damn, Im 30 and have no personal knowledge of what went down more than say 15 years ago. It seems to me that nothing has really improved... with the exception of 13 states standing up (which is huge, yet small with the fed intrusion). So my question to granny, eltone, and other elders.... On the Fed level what have we even gained? I expected Obama to react this way. I did my part. I went to change.org several times and stuck my neck out. And in my opinion so did thousands of other Americans. They spoke and were once again just simply bushed aside. It seems to me that for decades we have done the same things, screamed the same things, and proven the same things... yet, we never make any head wind.
Ok look, Im more of a pacifist. Never started a fight in my life. Not saying we should go all vigilante or anything. Im just saying writing our congressman and marching in the streets havent got us very far. Isnt there a better option?
Go to town hall meetings, and express your idea's with respect. Your willingness to listen gives you a powerful tool in which it is possible to further analyze your oppositions stance. Finding faults in their arguments, you can clarify them and bring them to issue at the next town hall meeting etc....
Make sure every time you have the opportunity to speak up in your community, you do so. In order to accomplish your goals, you will have to eliminate the stoner stereotype, otherwise your ideas will be brushed aside. Not that nobody will ever take you seriously, but it is more efficient to get attention from the start so that your cause can grow.
This is how you influence things at the federal level. As more and more members of your community share your beliefs, the more able you all will be in influencing a future election.
Start small, and be patient...
I completely agree with you. In many ways, I think the legalization movement is a joke. Look at what goes on at the protests. To me, seeing people so casually dressed and going to basically smoke bud, do you think we are going to get anywhere? You go smoke bud at a protest to get it legalized, while commiting a crime. Does anyone not see the irony in this? How are people going to look at you like a respectable, law-abiding citizen when you are toking away? No one is going to respect the movement except one of us because we find it acceptable. The same mantras being repeated, nothing fresh, like the movement is still stuck in the 60s even though we are in 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by theforthdrive
obama lied about his "drug years" so teens would vote for him, face it
the dudes never done coke before, hes a blerd (black nerd)
He's a typical politican.
Get used to it, Corp American owns the USA. Don't see the people getting 700billion. I really like my tax dollars going to pay for lots of some schmuck's private jet trips.
In my opinion, they should all be let go, let them file bankruptcy and liquidate. Put OUR tax money into the American infastructor which is, just terrible and way past due for an upgrade. Or keep being fed samples of the newest drugs that your doctor is being paid to push on you and letting the govt ignore the ideals of which this country was founded.
I don't remember Obama ever saying he was going to take on decriminalization or legalization during the campaign, so I'm not surprised by this at all. Actually, what I am surprised about is that they would post the question at all given that the answer was "no."
Even if Obama did support decriminalization or legalization, it would be a mistake to take that on as an early issue in his presidency, especially considering the extremely serious problems facing the country. I'm sure we all strongly support it, but if you look at the country as a whole, most people don't really care much about the issue. The ones who get really fired up about it on either side are probably cosidered a bit fringe by most of the country. A new president does not help himself any by wasting the "honeymoon" taking on polarizing fringe issues. One of the first things Bill Clinton took on was the issue of gays in the military --- another fringe issue that most people didn't care much about but was a big deal to fringe liberals and fringe conservatives. It set up a huge fight between very outspoken extreme elements on both sides over something most pople didn't think was very important. That set a tone of partisanship that lasted all the way through the Clinton presidency. Obama would do better to start off focusing on things that most people care about and get a few bipartisan accomplishments.
If you are interested in decriminalization or legalization, it seems like it makes more sense to work on it locally than from the top.
One could only hope they actually read and consider citizens' writing submittals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Crow
Heh, I posted the same topic basically sorry.
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That's what we are to them, 'Hippies'.
Yes, exactly we need to eliminate the stereotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBoy812
At the moment we are being calm, relaxed stoners. We need to be angry and violent IMO, just like the anti alcohol prohibitionists.
Oh yeah and BTW it wasn't Obama that played it down. The change.gov site has nothing to do with Obama, they just are kind of a representative for the people.
I dont know about that. Im sure they at least consulted him on the answers he gave.Quote:
Originally Posted by luciddreamer