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Really? says who? you? is there any data that proves this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
On the other hand we've probably already flushed the cures for cancer and hiv down the toiletQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
And no one is "forced" to carry a fetus, the person chose to take part in the act that creates the fetus most likely knowing the possible outcomes....rape possibly a different story
Only if tax payers don't have to "pick" up the bill. There'd be less people against abortion if tax payers didn't have to fund it...Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
If birth control fails, then abortion is the next logical step. Additionally, people's situations change: Loss of job, divorce, illness, and many other factors contribute to the reasons that people decide to terminate a pregnancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeefsMyFav
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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
No offense is intended in this statement, however, sticking spirituality into physical laws is arrogant sir.
Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, whoever have you, was a spirit, not a fucking embryo. ANY body will do for the spiritual goals!
the spirit destined to save humanity is humanity itself. we are responsible for only our selves, and to think that we can be saved by another outside influence is not only weak, but the only reason we might ever need an outside influence to save us!
given than detrimental logic, there will be no outside force to save ourselves. we must save ourselves, BY ourselves, by HELPING EACH OTHER.
no amount of abortions can prevent a particular soul from entering into life, if that particular soul is truly intended to exist.
the only rape of the human potential is what the individual chooses to ignore in the individual's own life.
Being the classical liberal that i am, i tend to support the option for a woman to have an abortion. Yet...
Being the republican that i am, states rights are very important to me. This is why i believe Roe vs. Wade should be overturned.
Its not that i believe in circumstances, but more so that a person should not have an issue as sensitive as abortion thrown down their throat if you are an American citizen. Here we as citizens of this great country have the opportunnity to move a thousand miles in another direction if we please, therefore if yo do not believe in the laws of your state, move to one that suits your beliefs.
Democracy begins and ends with the states. What better way is there to bring more dilligence to the electoral college. I mean, they have robbed you of your vice president and senate, this just evens things up...
You know, the argument that "She knew what she was getting in to when she was having sex" is essentially a way of punishing women for not being able to say no to sex, or a guy saying "Come on, honey, can't we go bareback just this once?". That's great. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to shit for most people, but most of the women I know have been forced into sex multiple times by their boyfriends.
Just because she didn't say "no" and didn't close her legs doesn't mean that she's a whore or that she was a willing participant. Many women don't know how to say no to a man in the bedroom, ESPECIALLY rape victims (odd paradox, isn't it?).
Anyway, the point of that is that I believe it's a woman's right to choose whether or not to abort a pregnancy.
The child has just as much a chance of growing up to be a "bad" person as it does to grow up and be a "good" person, so that's a dead argument.
And, personally, I don't believe life begins until brain activity starts...anyone know when that happens during a pregnancy?
hey GB
what is the highest priority: state rights or individual rights?
Well well, I'm glad to see everyone's doing well here! haha!
All pretty solid arguments, people, but I think we can all probably agree on a stance against late-term or partial-birth abortions....I had an EXTREMELY heated argument with my roommate on this one, since he says there's nothing wrong with having an abortion the day before it's due.
Now, try and defend THAT one, please. Perhaps life doesn't begin as soon as the sperm hits the eggs, but it definitely begins somewhere in the womb.
True that mate. I'm pro-choice but god DAMN, if someone really wants to cut a 6 pound body out of themselves, they really need help. Jesus, even getting thrown down the stairs halfway through is better than THAT, and that's sad. But then, I'm all for contraception. Don't want a baby? Pretty easy to avoid it; use a rubber or get on birth control (just make sure you take it right, nothing worse than fucking a girl and having her say "Did I take my pill today? .....yeah, probably.")Quote:
Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt